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265 replies · 32,927 views · Started 06 September 2004

punkonjunk1024 wrote:I can't say for sure without the rom, but between rockNES and nesticle, I've never had a problem with anything... the jap release of fire emblem loads up on rockNES.

Those didnt work for me. I wouldnt ask if I hadn't tried, especially nesticle since it couldn't play Gryzor (European version of Contra).

Daywalker

deathbyhokie wrote:i'm a little late on this, but:

they made an RPG maker game for PS. it wasn't too good. too kto long to make, etc. whereas they never released the Pc version in the US, a few guys translated it and were distrubting it, but then got shut down. so your best bet is to hold out for the people to bring over a fully translate PC version(or to find someone who has the illegal version)

If you are looking for the PC version...

RPG Maker 2003

Have fun with it.

DsS Game wrote:Does anyone know any NES emulator that can play the japanese version of super mario 2 aka the lost levels?

Daywalker

have you tried NESTen?

it really depends on what version of smb2j you have, as to which emus will play it. if you have found a FDS image, NEStopia is an excellent emu for those. it can be found here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/nestopia/ if you have found a dump of a pirate cart of smb2j, it may be unlikely that you could play it on any emu, as those pirate carts used some wierd mappers sometimes. there is a specific rom, (which i'm sure is just a hack of the FDS image with a title screen added) that is the only one that will work with pocketNES, and i have never had any problems in ANY emulator. the actual file name you would be searching for is: Super Mario Bros 2 (J) [p1].NES and there is an IPS patch here: http://www.parodius.com/~roni/stuff/smb2j-ips.zip that gives it a neat title screen 😊 have fun!

are there any keyboard-macro programs that would work under an emulator, cause I think the keyboard is starting to wear out with the repeated key presses....

what are the differences between Final Fantasy 2 and Final Fantasy 4 ROMS?
and is there a english translation patch for FF4?

Shit man there are alot of differences. Final Fantasy 2 US was the "Easy Version" of Final Fantasy 4 japan. It removes special commands like Dark Cecil's dark wave power which for the cost of some HP, he'd do that move on all enemys. He does it to you when you face him as a paladin. Various things were done to make it easier, they removed the item called the porno mag.

Dialog was changed, it was less obvious what the true feeling of characters were in the US version. Forinstance Rosa was totally wanting to get it on with Cecil if I remember. Anyways, get the Final Fantasy IV SNES rom and a translation patch and play it with your favorite emulator. If you can't do that, buy the Playstation release of Final Fantasy IV that is in Final Fantasy Chronicals.

i started playin it recently, and i already notice the differences....
were there dating sim games made for 16bit systems, and if so, are there roms available?

The Cyborg wrote:i started playin it recently, and i already notice the differences....

You know FF4 is available on Playstation... As part of Final Fantasy Chronicles. (The other game that comes with it is Chrono Trigger, by the way.)

Mottzilla wrote:Not that I know of, possibly there are japanese untranslated ones.

er, how about for 32-bit systems?

Hundreds of japanese games never make it here, and I wouldn't doubt there are dating sim things for playstation.

Emulation is good. I'm of the opinion that information should be free. That includes my entertainment, and my entertainment includes ROMS, DVD rips and the music of popular artists in the form of copyrighted (and infringed-upon) mp3s. Most of my software requires a keygen or crack. The rest either came with my computer, or is freeware.

Screw Corporate America. Screw Corporate Japan, for that matter.

See, here's the thing... the people that made those games... the artists, the designers, the programmers... they've already been paid. They've been taken care of. They don't get my money when I buy a game... the corporation does. Well, they really don't need my money... not as much as I do, that's for damn sure. I 've got bills to pay. Giving your money away for something that is readily available for free is for chumps.

"But automatic, if you can't afford it, you don't deserve it..."

Um, no. This isn't a moral issue. I can do it, and I do do it. There is no should or should not.

Those that are deserving of my money are individuals, not corporations. I have art on my walls made by people I know that I paid for. I pay money to see local bands play live music. These are people trying to make a living, not corporations trying to make a profit. And yeah, that is an important distinction to me.

Well, that's my take on it. Enough of the tirade.

My Favs (The reason I have the emulators in the first place):
NES (FCE Ultra) - Bionic Commando, Solstice, Crystalis
SNES (ZSNES) - Chrono Trigger, Super Metroid
Genesis (Gens) - Sonic Spinball, Flashback
GBA (VBA) - Metroid Fusion, Metroid Zero Mission, LoZ - The Minish Cap
N64 (PJ64) - Goldeneye

If the corporations don't make money, they can't pay the programmers and designers....

don't remember if I did a list (it's incomplete)--
GameBoy (smygb) MegaMan 3-5, Xtreme 1-2
NES (FCE Ultra, NESTEN, JNES) MegaMan 1-6, Metal Gear
SNES(SNES9X, ZSNES) MegaMan 7, X2, X3, MegaMan & Bass, Zelda 3, Final Fight Tough, Final Fight/FF Guy, Final Fight 2; Final Fantasy 2 (US), 3(US), 4J, 5J; Kirby SuperStar, SuperMario RPG
Genesis (Gens, Gens+) Battletoads and Double Dragon, Zero Tolerance, Zero Wing, Duke Nukem 3D
Arcade (none yet....)MegaMan- the Power Battle

The Cyborg wrote:If the corporations don't make money, they can't pay the programmers and designers....

That's true. But not everyone is pirating software or ripping dvds. Most people playing games and watching movies still actually buy them. Just not me.

And it's been said before, but the most traffic in illegal roms are for systems that no longer sell. Nintendo isn't going to lose any money on someone having a rom of Milon's Secret Castle.

automatic, just realize that while you may indeed be a part of a small group doing that, the group is ever increasing. And like Cyborg said, in the short term you are right. If you pirate the game, the people that worked on it are already getting paid. But in a not so short term, if the company isn't pulling in enough in sales, which is there ONLY source of income remember, they might have to lay off workers.

Ofcourse, if we are lucky, they will lay off over payed useless management jobs that mostly sit around with their thumbs in their asses.

automatic wrote: And it's been said before, but the most traffic in illegal roms are for systems that no longer sell.

You sure about that? I can't even begin to tell you how much activity the gamefaqs page for The Minish Cap was getting months before it came out - meaning people were playing it somehow, and my guess would be via a ROM. (it did come out in Europe before we got it over here, but not that long before). This is just one example, but I think there are a lot of people pirating new games.

Yeah, if Gamefaqs is any indication, the GBA is being heavily emulated. And like Mott said, It's not getting better or anything. And despite Mott's hopes, it's very unlikely that they'll get rid of the useless people- they'll just spend less on new, fun games that people will enjoy and just go for stuff people will buy.

Yes, GBA is pirated, people in european or asian factorys steal cartridges during early manufacturing runs which then are given/sold to a ROM release group and the ROM file hits the net before any units ever leave the factory. Sad isn't it? But realize this, Nintendo DS, currently, has no pirating. GameCube, after quite a few years, STILL has no fool proof way of pirating games. Only recently has the first "mod chip" been released, and it's plagued with errors, problems with reading DVD-R media, etc.

So just remember, with every new console there is a chance that such pirating could be put off. Also remember that companies at any time should they feel the need to, invest more into copy protection methods.

Kairyu wrote:Yeah, if Gamefaqs is any indication, the GBA is being heavily emulated.
Yeah, this is true. But this is pretty much the exception, not the rule.

There are PS2 and GCN emulators out there (I don't know about XBox, but probably...) but most people don't have buff enough systems to run them. If they do, they're probably playing HL2 instead of bothering with trying to get a GCN rom working. GBA is being exploited because the emulator will run on your grandma's old Apple IIe (well, you know what I mean).


Mottzilla wrote: Also remember that companies at any time should they feel the need to, invest more into copy protection methods.
Just about every form of copy protection has lasted all of five seconds, and thank god for that. Any digital copy protect is usually hacked within a matter of days after it's implementation. Spending resources to develop copy protection is just about the most wasteful thing a company can do... all it does is stave off the inevitable piracy for a few moments.

As far as companies losing money... I really don't think they are. At the current ratio of piracy, that is "pirates" vs "good citizens," I think the good citizens far outweigh the pirates. People have been making cams and promo dvd rips of current run Hollywood movies for years, now. Plenty of time for Hollywood to go belly-up if they were being seriously damaged in any way by it. But they haven't, because the general populace wouldn't even dream of pirating movies. Most people watching movies are paying full box-office price for them.

So, let the moral and upstanding majority support Hollywood and the software and game manufacturers. That leaves plenty of room for the rest of us pirates to maneuver around.

automatic wrote: Just about every form of copy protection has lasted all of five seconds, and thank god for that. Any digital copy protect is usually hacked within a matter of days after it's implementation. Spending resources to develop copy protection is just about the most wasteful thing a company can do... all it does is stave off the inevitable piracy for a few moments.

Not really. Protection methods do work sometimes. But, I'm beginning to wonder if the best way for a developer to make a game hard to emulate is to use really weird and complicated stuff like the graphics chips in Star Ocean and Street Fighter Alpha 2 for the SNES. Even if they can dump the program, they can't really play the ROM.

automatic wrote:As far as companies losing money... I really don't think they are.

Oh, they are. It's just a question of how much. Obviously it's not crippling the industry right now, but it is money being wasted.

automatic wrote:At the current ratio of piracy, that is "pirates" vs "good citizens," I think the good citizens far outweigh the pirates. People have been making cams and promo dvd rips of current run Hollywood movies for years, now. Plenty of time for Hollywood to go belly-up if they were being seriously damaged in any way by it. But they haven't, because the general populace wouldn't even dream of pirating movies. Most people watching movies are paying full box-office price for them.

It's much easier to find illegal video games than illegal movies, in my experience. The mediums aren't the same--most video game fans have above average computer skillz, and download their games, which can be found in full or near-full quality and in many places, online. Movie knock-offs are generally lower-quality, or have too large a file size to mass distribute online. Generally, at least.

automatic wrote:So, let the moral and upstanding majority support Hollywood and the software and game manufacturers. That leaves plenty of room for the rest of us pirates to maneuver around.

No one likes a freeloader! Carry yer own weight, lazy! Seriously, though, considering the direction the majority seems to have taken Hollywood, I'd rather not let them decide the future of video games.

Gee automatic, I didn't realize YOU were a copy protection expert. Chances are you are someone that just knows where to find already cracked warez if anything... And copy protection is a waste huh? Did you know all the effort Nintendo put into making the GameCube Disc format is STILL paying off? While there is a small level of piracy, it's minute compared to Xbox and PS2.

Copy Protection can be made extremely well for video games, and it's people like you that don't care that will make that happen. Sure, any copy protection can be defeated, but it comes at a price. Just look at what it costs to make a GBA cartridge with roms, it's not cheap. I'm talking about the flash cartridges. All it would take is Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft to decide to incorperate a non optical disc component, like a simple card that goes into a slot and wham bam, that will set pirates back. The problem right now is optical discs are so easy to copy, and it's not that expensive to buy a modchip.

Anyways... incase you haven't noticed, people don't like people like you when they start basically bragging about how they don't care they are STEALING game software. I don't know about everyone else, but I for one make a point of buying games from my favorite development houses, like Capcom, Konami, Namco, etc. When you buy the games, you support the company, which is what it's all about.

Mottzilla wrote:I don't know about everyone else, but I for one make a point of buying games from my favorite development houses, like Capcom, Konami, Namco, etc. When you buy the games, you support the company, which is what it's all about.

I totally agree. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way.

vegeta1215 wrote:I totally agree. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way.

yeah, but what happens when one buys a 'used' game from, say Funcoland, unfortunately, the main companies don't get the money from the game (correct me if I'm wrong).
I try to buy new, but I don't see new SNES carts being made. 🙄
Anyways, speaking of copy protection, what does it mean when a rom is "ISDA Protected"?

Mottzilla wrote:Anyways... incase you haven't noticed, people don't like people like you when they start basically bragging about how they don't care they are STEALING game software. I don't know about everyone else, but I for one make a point of buying games from my favorite development houses, like Capcom, Konami, Namco, etc. When you buy the games, you support the company, which is what it's all about.

It sounds to me like we've each pretty much made up our minds on how we feel about emulation and piracy. You are for supporting corporate interests. I am not. Neither of us is about to change the other's mind.

Seems pretty cut and dry to me. There's no need for personal attacks.

For you it may be all about buying games to support the company. For me it's all about playing the games I want to play and could not otherwise afford to buy, or even find because the game is long out of print. So spare me the self-righteousness. This is an open discussion on emulation, not a trial for judging others on the choices they make regarding piracy. </derail>

automatic wrote:For me it's all about playing the games I want to play and could not otherwise afford to buy, or even find because the game is long out of print.

Hmm...you may be onto something. I saw a classic 1960's car down the block from me. I think I'll go steal it since I can't afford to buy one for myself, let alone find one for sale. :disgust:

btw, don't take that comment personally - I only made it to point out how flawed your justification is. (which happens to be everyone's justification for downloading ROMs)

Anyways, I don't want this thread to go on like this anymore. We could argue for a long time over whether its right to download ROMs or not, so lets just get back to regular emulation, okay?

ISDA Protected means the ISDA, a group out to protect it's members interests/rights represents the owner of that game. I.E. the ISDA represents Capcom and will take care of any illegal copies of their games being distributed online.

Anyway, automatic.. I'm not "supporting corporate interests", I'm supporting the company as a whole in all they do. Companies like Capcom employ direct or indirectly hundreds to thousands of people. If you just steal their products, they can't employ these people, and they loose their jobs, all because theives like you didn't give a damn.

You seem very confident that it's alright for you to be in what you think is a niche group that effectively steals game software.

Now about used games/old no longer produced games. Copies of these don't nessisarily hurt anyone unless you could 2nd hand resellers. But it's totally different when you are talking games that are still in production.

Now automatic, sorry but you aren't the magical board moderator. We can talk about whereever our topic leads to. And it went to not YOU but to people who share your ideals. It is "all about" games you enjoy. But you don't understand that when you play some great game that you enjoy, esspecially an illegal copy, you should buy the game. I understand wanting to play games you can't afford to buy at the time, but you can rent these games. And even if you get a copied game, you can always buy the game when you have sufficant funds.

vegeta1215 wrote:Hmm...you may be onto something. I saw a classic 1960's car down the block from me. I think I'll go steal it since I can't afford to buy one for myself, let alone find one for sale. :disgust:

That might be an relevant example, if you could make a copy of the car.

Also, the issue of theft and piracy are a big part of emulation. I know that the creators of emulators, generally speaking, openly denounce piracy. But the reality is, they are making piracy easier, and more accessable to the general public.

And I'd like to state that piracy is a type of theft, yes, but it's a far cry from walking out of the store with a copy of "Bonestorm" under your coat. What I think is odd is when people take my choice to play copied games as a personal affront to their delicate sensibilities. If I came across as "bragging" or whatever, I didn't mean to. I was just simply stating my own personal beliefs on the issue, and why I choose to play copied games. Instead of being insulted, one might try to realize that there is another point of view that is equally as valid as their own, regardless of the legality.

(And Mottzilla, I don't mean to beat this dead horse any more, but if you weren't intending to make a personal statement against me solely, but all people who play copied games, that's fine. It just seemed that way. On a related note, you might want to take a look at the poll results at the top of this page. The red bar next to "yes" clearly shows how most people on this board feel about downloading roms.)

automatic wrote:That might be an relevant example, if you could make a copy of the car.

My example was not about copying, it was about theft (as you went on to discuss)