Ballad of a Bloodline Help

KavinPulsar:
Hm, I just realized your name was KavinPulsar, not KevinPulsar... anyway, explore Glacier Grotto again, there will be an out of place curtain in an otherwise very fishy room. The Sword of Power won't change a thing. If you have the requirement for neutral ending, then you get a possibility to change the neutral ending to best ending with Sword of Power. But if you don't have the "ultimate protection item" you don't get anything but bad ending there.

Falvern57:
You also can get slash ability at east Hyrule field. You can get it even before first dungeon.

Haha, yes, Kavin Pulsar is the name of a famous thief character of mine from a college RPG set in the 1960's. He was a normal human among other characters with special abilities. For him, thievery was an artform, and he was a true American patroit (only stole from corrupt or communistic foriegners). He was bitten by a vampire, forced to make a pact with Lucifer to transform into a reformed demon, and was able to return to normal human life through virtue, and then found love. , But his was a very sad story, as the Leviathan was unleashed and he was forced to side in modern day Armageddon with it to bring his loved ones back to life. He was responsible for many deaths during the final war. But by during so, he misdirected the war (no evil ever touched the Western World) and was able to allow his friends time to find the key to win. He in fact was the one who used the key. At the very end on the vanquished battlefiled, on which good was victorious, he was betrayed by his friends and was slain.

So, I got the neutral ending. I was aghast actually...

I think I got the secret ending,becuase I Found the "blank medal".

I have to go back and witness the good ending and see if without the medal I get what I thought was the secret ending.

Also, during the ending, if you push down, little link walks away from the story and into a black screen... sort of like those time portals.

Interesting story...

Now, you can get the Blank Medal only at an area that leads to nowhere other than the Secret Ending. You reach that ending by not going into the warp after real Vaati, rather go down and fall in the gap. Then there was the Blank Medal on the right and the Secret Ending on the left. To get best ending, just go in the warp near you after you appear back at the castle after the real Vaati fight.
Neutral ending is what you get after you truly destroy Sigma, but not slash the Sword of Power hologram with the Sword of Power.

So, not having Biometal Tunic gets you the worst ending, no matter what. Having it, but not slashing the sword hologram with L4 sword gets you the neutral ending. Slashing that hologram gets you the best ending, but not going into the final warp rather going back gets you the secret ending. In fact, the secret ending is the real happy end, but the best ending is what gets continued in BB's sequel, Seasoned Blood.
Also there's a Secret DX ending. Search the final level's dephts to find out about it. Or look up the BB endings spoiler thread at PureZC, in my QPF (The Magnificent QPF).

I will fix those bugs. You reported so much that a little more, and a new update is warranted.

More bugs for you:

1. During the monologue of the first Vaati, if I use my trusty F1 key to fast forward through the speech, the screen freezes at the end, but I can walk around invisible (I can tell since my sword throws into the wall). I can in fact walk into the spikes w/o knowing where I am and die. Or if I am lucky and it clicks out of that into the battle mode, most times the fireballs don't appear...

2. During slow, regular mode, if I swing my sword or throw a boomerang, right before the castle falls, I see it thrown into the walls left and right.

3. When I walked from the conveyor cart into the room full of bat mages, you can't go forward, but have to go up and then forward. You need to move the doorway down a little or make it bigger.

4. During the 2nd battle w/ Vaati, every so often I can walk through the forcefield holding Myra (i.e. her tile). Usually from underneath.

You know what would be a nice touch? In the original Zelda, you can skewer the detached dragon heads with an arrow. I noticed this doesn't work in BB. It really to be able to shoot an arrow and get rid of those flying heads...

Yes, I viewed four of the endings now. So I must search for his fifth ending.

And of course questions for you. 😊
1. What are Mako and Materies?
2. Outside the castle, there is a little girl looking at a flower. She says this flower survived all. What is she trying to tell me?
3. What does the old woman in the potion house sell? I can't get her to talk to me...
4. Hey, in Light World, what is up with the girl in Lost woods who says "Music?" I went back in a time portal and tried to play the flute for her, but nothing happened... Is there some secret area in the Lost Woods? I also tried the flute on Mt. Death on the BIG rock just west of the entrance to the IW (link's statue, blue portal). That doesn't open either, and there is a SKULL there 😞
5. On my items list on the left, I have an empty space between the fish mask and the heart container (directly below the diploma). What is this?
6. Haha, and one last question. In Kokiri Downtown, there is a building I can't get in, where you can slash off the woman's clothes and everyone gets excited (southwest corner). Anyway into this building?

Bug answers:
1. Sounds like a ZC bug with the F1 feature which I rarely ever used, if ever... but I look at those screens.
2. Yes, the "invisible" checkbox means only the player, your weapons are always visible. I don't think that I will go on an put everything on layer 3 and above to prevent this.
3. You mean the first Spellcaster's Choice room and to the right of it? I can change that around...
4. Yes, I found that funny glitch, too. I kept pressing onto Myra and was funny when I walked over her. I can't avoid this happening, but it one of the earlier updates, I wrapped the screen around with solid invisible combos, so at least you can't jump off the screen anymore with this fun glitch.

About dragon heads... WHAT?! I NEVER knew you could shoot dragon heads... And as far as I know, ZC is the exact copy of LoZ, so then you should be able to shoot dragon heads, too... But it's not up for me to decide, you can't change enemy weakness and attributes in 2.10 (only choose from 2 enemy sets, the small and the long). Such thing wouldn't be possible in 2.5, either, since the detached head isn't a separate enemy and also disappears when all heads are cut.

Questions:
1. "Mako" is the processed form of the Lifestream which is the blood of Earth in Final Fantasy VII. Materie is the crystallized form of Mako energy and Lifestream, used to cast magic and gain special abilities (best equipment system every). You know, BB is the sequel of all videgames, movies, comics, etc., so don't be surprised when you see lots of relevances to other games. The Goron King in Glacier grotto was infused with too much Mako energy, so he became a monster (like Hojo in Final Fantasy VII). Myra is called "Mako girl" because the Goron king realizes that she is full of Mako, too. If the four endings you saw didn't make it obvious, find the 5th ending.
2. This is just for drama. The whole world changed, many things got destroyed, even part of Mt.Death collapsed, but that small flower there survived everything without a scratch.
3. In the potion house? Potions. Use the empty bottle on the screen to make her start selling the potions. Just like in LoZ. You know, I made BB while thinking that all players will know all Zelda games and also such big games like Final Fantasy, Mega Man, Ultima, etc.
4. You aren't supposed to get back to LW, nor to have ocarina at that time, so there are no ocarina triggers in LW. I put them there only for realism. Just because the player doesn't have ocarina, it doesn't mean all people must forget about music, the world doesn't revolve around the player. That "girl" (in fact a male Skullkid, play OoT and MM to find out about him) originally said "Music?" only to have a reference for OoT, but now it has an extra meaning. It is a clue for that you need to use ocarina at the exact same screen in IW (Skull Woods north).
5. I guess it's the "Mysterious Item/Unknown Item". It's in the last dungeon, just near where you get the clue on how to find Secret DX ending. It makes you invincible for everything but enemies and fireballs, so it's not good to get it for first playthrough, makes the last fights boring.
6. That's not woman, that's little girl. And you can't get in the building. Since Kokiri Downtown already had enough interiors (shops,walk-through screens, minigame, slash learning, story related, etc... far enough), I decided I don't take time for putting something even there. Otherwise according to original plan, when you slash the girl's clothes, somebody from the building opens the door, comes out and you can go in.

I know those games, but from the original Nintendo systems, when you had to blow on the cartridges...

Ok, I found the Mysterious Statuette. I am still having trouble finding this Secret DX ending (I found the clue shown by the crystal ball, yes, I went to pureZC).
But search as I might in LW in the mountains, I can't find the entrance. Does this picture show exactly where and i am just not getting it?

Also, I noticed there was a blue pearl shown in pureZC... Where is this?

If you saw the crystal ball, then you should know how to reach the Secret DX ending, since it's explained. Refer to what they say about Knil/Link's possible action. Where the scene takes place is irrevelant, the conversation counts.

Blue Moonpearl is at Hylia Waste, south, under some slashable sand.

Hmm, maybe I am looking at the wrong crystal ball? I went to the ball in the Power Plant chest, shown by the C below:

. X X C
X X X X
X X X X
X X X

Vaati on Mt. Death says at the end of his monologue: "So let's go some norther first..."
I presume this is in reference to what happened in Steaming Systems B1? Is there another Cyrstal ball which tells me about the Secret DX ending then?

The crystal ball that tells about that ending is in Torturion. So in the middle of B1. At its east part, you need to kill many enemies, go north and you need to superbomb at the HC or at such place or use other item (use lens to see). So it's one screen south of the misterious statuette.

Ah, I finally got it. Gosh, sometimes I can be sooo thick.

What is up with IW sub-dungeon 1? Nothing responds to anything I do: bombs, arrows, boomerang, fire, hammer...nothing does anything anywhere. Is there some kind of special requirement that must be met before the sub-dungeon becomes completable? I've been going in circles and just find anything!

edit: nevermind I finally got lucky and wandered into the diggdodger...

I have been stuck in the Contrast Chapel for a few days. I got all the keys and item, but I don't know how to get to the boss. The lens of truth just show the removal of the "boss" frame, so I'm at a lost. I wonder if there are some switches somewhere in F2 or B1, coz there are 2 places I don't know how to access: in B1, 2 screen right from the shop, where the lens of truth show a passageway, but I don't know how to get it open; in F2 the most NE 2 screens.

Could you please help out so that I can go on playing this marvelous game??

Hm, Suncow, I like your name. So, seems like you are at the very end of Contrast Chapel. You see, on F2, you removed 4 blockades to access a room full of ghini2s. You can kill them with a superbomb. A bomb shop can be accessed by bombing the ruined eyeball statue at the east part of the big circle room. So, if you kill all ghini2s the way opens to F2 NE, where you visit and so the previously seen passage at B1 will open. 😊

Yo! Thank you! Finished that Chapel. I never know super bomb can kill ghini2...... But I should have gotten the hint in that shop in F2.

Fighting through the Clockwork Chapel now.

How can I get an updated version of Ballad of a Bloodline without having to restart the quest from scratch? I just can't figure it out. Sorry if this has been asked multiple times now...

Actually, this was asked only 2-3 times so far. So... all you have to do is to overwrite the old TLoZBoaB.qst file with the new one. Just open the newly downloaded .zip file, put the new .qst file into your 2.10 folder and when asked if you want to overwrite it, say "yes". And continue playing like nothing happened. 😊

How I didn't think of that is beyond me. I had kept the updated version on my desktop to move to the folder once I had figured it out. Thanks.

I have another question: I'm trying to find this medal of peace or whatever it's called that is suppose to be in the graveyard I've shot serpent bolts at every grave stone, tree, everything but nothing seems to happen. The graved digger there said something about "waiting until night" does that also happen in IW? And if so, how would I go about triggering that?

Exactly the same way as in LW. 😊 Wait on the most northeastern screen til night comes, but watch out, wizzrobes are extremely overpowered... Peace dungeon is exactly where the magic upgrade was. 😉

Thanks, I just found the dungeon. "Chrono Trigger Crypt"...this ought to be interesting.

I just started this quest a few days ago, and I'm really enjoying it. I've gotten all the way to plant Pond and right from the start I can't seem to figure out where to go as every route I take seems to lead to a dead end. How should I start out tackling this maze?

I have two final questions about this quest:

1. I know something is hidden in the metroid room in torturion, but I can't figure anything out to uncover anything! can I get a hint or something?

2. in the LW graveyard, the tombstone of master smith said he was killed by his only son...this has been bothering me for awhile now and I just wanted to know the meaning behind it.

Quazar:
The north, east and south let's you progress a bit further than west, but they have blockades that can be removed only from the other side. So, go west from the entrance. Hookshot over, go north or south from there and go around to the other side. Now, bomb the west wall that is directly west from the entrance. You get to the outer circle this way.

Falvern57:
1. First of all, you need to use Medal of Peace, since the Metroids kill you in no time otherwise. Then, near the upper right corner and use the Medal of War on it, then a superbomb, then stand in that corner. You won't hear secret sounds in the process. Also, this is hidden so well because the reward is very big. It lets you walk through damage combos unharmed. So, the final bosses aren't that fun with it. I placed it in only to have all items and to have some ultimate secret. (Using Lens of Truth, more people found it on their own than I expected.)
2. You misunderstood it a bit. The grave was made by his only son, but that son didn't kill him. This is a clue that the real Master Smith is already dead and Myra's father is somebody else... Consult with the IW L4 subdungeon (Myra's dream) and with the Neutral and Best endings. 😊

1. Thank you, now I can have the satisfaction of completing the quest 100%

2. Yeah, I had viewed the endings and knew of "Master Smith's" identity, but I guess I never thought about there being a real master smith...that makes me feel better, thanks again. Outstanding work on the quest, I am really looking forward to the sequel!!

I love your enthusiasm. Have you tried the demo of the sequel (Seasoned Blood) yet?
http://www.armageddongames.net/forums//thread/104655/

Good news that I'm continuing now with making up original plot. The former ideas behind Seasoned Blood and the other 2 planned sequels were kinda ripoffs of official games.

No I haven't actually, I will definitely check it out though!

Hello,

I wanted to inform you that like two other guys from this forum I can't play bloodlines ballad, the game crash during the intro. I have retried many times but it always happens (but not always at the same moment). I use ZC2.10

I then tried bloodline classic, everything works correctly but I just can't find the lens of truth, could you give me a hint please??? (I read that it is not in Hyrule, but where else...?)

Thanks
kiai

Hi... I'm new here ... just playing bloodline classic. Ehm, is the quest the same as ballad of bloodline? I thought i downloaded ballad of bloodline, but when i read this forum, i couldn't find anything that even close to what i'm facing now. I found some dungeons, but when i finished killing the boss, i didn't get any triforces, so what should i do? Btw i also found a garden of(something) but i couldn't break the wall in south west room where i think, i'll get the last key that i need to finish the dungeon. Can anybody help me, plizzzz ... this quest is great, and i hate not being able to even start evertyhing right. Thanks a lot guys ...

I now have been walking around the starting area for 4 hours (not in one sitting) and all I have found is 1 magic upgrade (how many are there?), the blue candle and the 1/2 magic and the ladder. can someone at least help me out as to where to find something, anything! to get my hopes up that I just might actually get out of this starting area? after a while in the same area it really gets frustrating. I have a feeling if I ever get into the real meat and potato's of this quest it's gonna be awesome, however I'm about to give up because the starting area is starting to get to me. Is there anything else besides the magic upgrade in the graveyard? How di U get rid of the guy that's in the way after the boatride so I can go north? I need some action. what "Right Wall" in the room with many books (Library?) is fake? Anything to get me moving

Hm, I haven't realized there were new replies... so...

kiai:
It's because the many strings. It's random who gets this error and who not. If I remember well, you need to play on small screen. If it doesn't work, try some of the newer betas, maybe one of them will work...

nindavs:
BB is in DoR and BC is in Classic, so it's easy to tell the difference from there. BC is the Classic (shortened, simpler) version of BB. Both of them have Triforce (Lightforce) pieces, but only as secret items.
It's quite obvious from your post that you are playing BC. Now, when you get the item by defeating the boss, you can use that item to get to the next dungeon's area. Garden Gallery doesn't have bombable walls, but has many walk through walls. Try the corner rooms.
The Lens of Truth will be in the Inverted World where you get after collecting the Master Sword later. It will be at the far east.

fajz:
Go into the cheap item shop (Bigo's shop) and walk through the bottom part of the right wall. This will give you the boomerang which you can use to remove that mentioned sleeping guy (goriya). Soon there be the first dungeon.
The starting village indeed doesn't have much more than that, just a few rupees and bombs. However, Hyrule Field has some more magic containers, many HCPs, many rupees and small collectibles. Burn what is green or tree; push/bomb rocks/boulders; boomerang interesting objects. Most of the collectibles will be available later when you have more items.