http://savecrimsonechoes.com/phpPETITION/index.php
For those of you that don't know, Crimson Echoes was a remake of our favorite game, Chrono Trigger. The game has been in development for years, and was planned to be released on May 31st, 2009. On May 8th, Square-Enix sent the development team at www.chronocompendium.com a Cease and Desist letter. This petition is an attempt to reverse this decision.
PLEASE EVERYONE SIGN THIS! Not only is this a battle for the Chrono fans, but this is a battle to show big companies that fans care about their actions!
Dude...this really pisses me off that they had to cease and desist. This game looks so fun! I bet it's super awesome. I hope that this petition can help turn it over and they can continue to finish it and release it sometime this summer.
Maybe it's just me, but using an online petition to try to convince a company not to defend its IP seems a little absurd.
I agree, it is absurd...but you never know.
Those guys put a lot of effort into this game, so it's only natural for them to do anything that might possibly allow them to finish. Even if it is pretty damn absurd, ha ha.
They should just pay someone $20 to "steal" the game from them and upload it to piratebay. And then they can throw up their arms and be all "damn, we got robbed. Sorry Square."
An online petition isn't going to work. Someone tried to remake Chrono Trigger on the PC a few years ago, and Square stopped them then. Nobody is gonna be able to convince them not to shut it down.
Link 101 wrote:I agree, it is absurd...but you never know.Those guys put a lot of effort into this game, so it's only natural for them to do anything that might possibly allow them to finish. Even if it is pretty damn absurd, ha ha.
But you have to understand when starting a project like this that there is always the possibility of it being shut down. At this point their best bet would be to change the game enough that it is no longer a Chrono Trigger game. Change the graphics, locations, and story, and add some sort of new play mechanic.
It'd still be copyright infringement, as most of the game's assembly code would still be SE's imaginary property.
I agree with Bel here - they should just have someone upload it to The Pirate Bay and be done with it. I certainly understand the ramifications of the copyright infringement here, but I don't believe their work should simply be lost forever as punishment.
I kind of see the ramifications, but...they aren't in any way making it for profit at all. It's kinda like they say on their site, it's no different than fan art, really. They are just making a new fan-based game that will IDEALLY draw no profit and just be used for fun.
Link 101 wrote:I kind of see the ramifications, but...they aren't in any way making it for profit at all. It's kinda like they say on their site, it's no different than fan art, really. They are just making a new fan-based game that will IDEALLY draw no profit and just be used for fun.
Blizzard has been passing out cease and desist orders like it's candy. They've shut down a handful of apple iPhone apps that weren't for profit but free to the public. More or less the same scenario. SE wants to keep their game on a tight leash and don't want any variations of it.
Though in all honesty this is something I never understood: Why does SE (and many game companies) specifically go out of their way to alienate their fanbase?
Well, it wasn't long ago that they re-released Chrono Trigger on the DS. If a free fan-made version was available, sales would probably be lower. They're protecting their ability to profit from their IP.
Also, it was their intellectual property before it was anyone else's. Regardless of how much money they've made, and how much money anyone else would make, it's still Square-Enix's. If you don't want to be served a cease and desist letter after much long effort and work, don't base your work off of someone else's.
Artistically, I agree with the guys, but realistically they've got almost no ground.
Read the C&D:
http://www.crimsonechoes.com/letter.pdf
If it got "stolen" from them and leaked onto a site like The Pirate Bay, they'd be fucked. They were given orders to delete and destroy ANY of their work. If it got leaked out -even if it really was stolen, they'd be sued.
After all their hardwork, it really sucks, and I do feel sorry for them. However, I understand if this never hits the public hands. I wouldn't want them to get sued after pouring so much hard work and time into this project.
No offense, but petitions like this isn't going to matter to Square. Note, on their site, that they're currently awaiting more information from Square. Things *could* work out, they also couldn't. All you can really do is keep your fingers crossed 😊
Yeah, I think they are still talking with Square. Maybe they'll be able to work out some agreement or something. I really hope so, and will keep my fingers crossed, because this game just looks really sweet.
Did anyone else happen to watch the videos they have of the game?
Link 101 wrote:Yeah, I think they are still talking with Square. Maybe they'll be able to work out some agreement or something. I really hope so, and will keep my fingers crossed, because this game just looks really sweet.Did anyone else happen to watch the videos they have of the game?
I've never played a Chrono game, but I did watch through it, and for a fan based mod, this is very impressive. I'd be so pissed if I was a developer.
This makes me take a look at ZC from up above. I know Nintendo is well aware of ZC and doesn't care...but I just hope this doesn't ever change.
You've never played Chrono Trigger!? You should get on that ASAP.
With Zelda Classic, every time I hear about something like this happening I just think about how it hasn't happened to ZC and how lucky we are that it hasn't. Hopefully it never does.
You're about the eighth person to tell me that. My problem is, I'm making a commercial RPG. I get too inspired. I want to work on something original before I go back and play ALL the classics :P
I'm sure this doesn't make sense, but somewhere in my head, it does. If I can break away from a lot of the other stuff, more of my ideas will be original, etc. :P
Makes perfect sense to me man. Well, be sure to set aside some time when you're done to sit down and enjoy some Chrono Trigger. Then you'll see how cool this game could be if it were to get finished.
this is why you aren't supposed to release ANY information on your Chrono Trigger remake until the day of release and then everyone will go, "HOLY FUXORZ! WHERE THE BLAZES DID THIS AWESOME PIECE OF WORK COME FROM?!?!?!?"
And then they can't do anything since its already out there and on millions of people's hard drives. bwhahahahahahahhahahha
Better to ask for forgiveness than permission. Golden rule.
Hi guys I signed up on your forum to spam it up with an advertisement for a cause I believe in.
List of games that have been saved by petitions:
AtmaWeapon wrote:Hi guys I signed up on your forum to spam it up with an advertisement for a cause I believe in.List of games that have been saved by petitions:
He joined more than a month ago. We are called Armageddon Games ya know. He might just be a lurker and thought we might be interested. 🙄
I don't know, whatever. 😛
But I agree about the petition thing. I doubt it will really help, let alone an online one.
There's a reason Atma isn't a moderator.
Why is anyone shocked by this news? It's not the first time Square's shut down a CT fan game, and odds are, it won't be the last.
But a petition? Come on. A boycott's probably a better idea, and even that idea sucks.
Janus wrote:Why is anyone shocked by this news? It's not the first time Square's shut down a CT fan game, and odds are, it won't be the last.But a petition? Come on. A boycott's probably a better idea, and even that idea sucks.
Yeah, come to think of it, I remember reading about another CT game shut down awhile ago. I can't remember what it was, but it got so "powerful" in gameplay and graphics that it could have almost been a commercial game.
It just got too good, so Square took em' out. :\
Chrono Resurrection, probably.
Yeah I remember seeing a video of that. I think it was supposed to be a sequel. It looked really well done, like it could've been from Square themselves. Heck they might've been smart to simply buy that project.
We should put up a website where we can mass e-mail Square with fan license requests. That's what the fans for Kings Quest 9 did to Vivendi, and it worked!