Chrono Trigger DS

While it'd be great if it were on Virtual Console, releasing Chrono Trigger for DS is great news, and the game fits the platform. I'm sure there's many people who missed out on the game by not having a SNES and its $80 pricetag.

It'd be nice if they included the extras from the PSone "remake", like the FMVs (they actually credit the FF Anthology and Chronicles games as remakes in the manual even though they're ports). I tried playing the PSone version recently and played the beginning until getting to the future for the first time, but couldnt' stand the awful load times, even with the PS2's fast loading turned on. I'm going to have to buy a cartridge and/or wait for the DS version.

Yeah, I am *really* hoping they bring over the awesome cutscenes they added to the PSX version.

One other thing that version did that I really liked was it kept track of which endings you got, and I believe rewarded you for "collecting" them (i.e. unlocking music tracks, artwork, etc.. can't remember specifically as it has been awhile). I hope they keep that as well, as it really adds some incentive to get the other endings 😉

Yoshiman wrote:Eh, call me when Square-Enix decides to produce a Chrono Trigger Resurrection.

...holy shit.

0_0 That is amazing. Why did square have to cease and desist them?!?! WHYYYYY?!?!?!

;_; That could have been so awesome...

You know, I was reading this:
http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Translation_Differences.html

I wonder if this game will be re-translated like they did with FFIV & FFVI. It sounds like Woolsey missed quite a few nuances and jokes (what else is new?). And hell, at the very least, all the "Cafes" need to become "Bars" again :P Stupid censorship...

I didn't think about that. If they improved the translation by re-translating it, that would be a nice improvement. And the FMVs could be done on the DS so, I suppose it's not really bad. I guess the main thing is that I really wish they had done a full 3D remake of FF4 and seeing them do this had me rather annoyed. Specifically thinking before much was known that it would be some craptastic 3D remake. But if they don't screw anything up, and do some things right like translation improvements, that would be worth it.

I just replayed through Chrono Trigger again recently on ZSNES. I only owned the game on PS1, and I really didn't like playing through the load times, but I did. I really wouldn't mind a portable hard copy of this game without the shitty load times. Thats why I bought the remakes of Final Fantasies 1 through 6 for GBA (3 for DS, obviously) and Tactics for PSP. Its really convenient in my field of work to have great games on the go. While I'm not going to be in this field for much longer, I would still love to have Chrono Trigger as a portable game. I'm all for it, remake, port, or whatever.

Did they re-translate anything for the PS1 release of CT in the FF Chronicles disc? Me, I want them to leave the translation alone. I like things how they are. Besides, much of the "original" text from the Chrono Compendium site just don't sound right to me.

That's amazing. If they don't release it in the US, I'll be mad.

Mainly because http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzjtBg4V3gE is only in Japanese.

Well it says there's not gonna be any graphical alterations, but graphics mean squat to me. The new dungeon seems tempting as long as it doesn't make an ass of itself.

I have to agree that Squareenix needs to get some other games out. SD3 is on the top of my wishlist. A gba/ds port of it would be acceptable IMHO. Maybe something like the DQ Zenthia trilogy they're doing. That would be mildly interesting. :kitty:

Wow, I stumbled on this on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyo_AXQLIdI

Apparently this is from the first time they showed the game. Look at how much the map changed - that's crazy.

Yup there was alot of stuff changed from the earlier version of CT on SNES. I forget if any beta roms are floating around on the internet.

Here's the trailer that came out on GameTrailers, better quality than Youtube, http://www.gametrailers.com/player/35888.html

Yeah, I found this:
http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Chrono_Trigger_Prerelease.html

Apparently that's all the stuff they datamined from a magazine preview version of the game, which was a bit different from the final version. Kind of neat 😉 I think it's interesting that it looks like Epoch used to be able to move along the land before you got the wings (like the hover car in FFIV I think). The site speculates that they removed that to avoid problems with changing time periods over an area that is not accessable in that period (i.e. going from land to an ocean or mountain)

I'll have to check that site out when I have the chance. Yes, there is a beta rom floating around, but I don't know how 'early' it is. It'll take me a while to find it, as when I had hdd problems, it changed all the files to the 8.3 naming format. 😞

Man I love beta/prerelease information about games. I guess it's because I write code, but I always love it when I manage to find one of those rare interviews with project leads that lets you see into how they planned the game and how they decided what would/wouldn't make it. It really needs to become more standard :/

hey...just a sec...

is it coming out in JAPAN, in winter 08? Or is it coming our way in winter 08?

...probably Japan...in which case we'll have to wait another half a year.

The idea of removing Epoch moving cause of time changing issues shouldn't hold much merit as they could have performed a check if you could actually be there in that era. Although maybe due to time constraints they didn't have time to do that. But it certainly would have been possible.

ZTC, the "Pre-Release" version is different from an actual beta or alpha ROM. I checked and there is only the Pre-Release ROM dumped. There is no beta or alpha ROM dumped.

MottZilla wrote:The idea of removing Epoch moving cause of time changing issues shouldn't hold much merit as they could have performed a check if you could actually be there in that era. Although maybe due to time constraints they didn't have time to do that. But it certainly would have been possible.

ZTC, the "Pre-Release" version is different from an actual beta or alpha ROM. I checked and there is only the Pre-Release ROM dumped. There is no beta or alpha ROM dumped.

Well, I think it may have just been too much effort. Not just in the coding, but making sure players couldn't access areas they weren't supposed to yet, etc.

Anyways, It's a bit like a beta in that it wasn't completed yet.

In any case, I was reading that site some more. You know what would be cool? If they stuck Radical Dreamers in as an unlockable. Granted the story in that game is no longer canon (it was basically reworked into Chrono Cross), but that would be a neat little extra.

I also read their summary of Chrono Cross over there.. um.. wow. I sort of understand the story of that game now, but damn. Could they have made it any more convoluted?

Edit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oRpCjKoPps

Oh dear lord.. so many things I never knew existed 😃 I love Gato in this, he just repeats the same line over and over.. haha.. AH, GONZALEZ! I AM STRONG! BEAT ME UP AND GET SILVER POINTS!

I really need to look for that rom now... As for that video, that was my very first file I got off of bittorrent around 3 years ago and I enjoyed it immensely. It's a shame they didn't release it over here. (then again there's a scant hope of it being on the DS cart 🙄 )

Riverman wrote:I say, more Enix and less Square for a little while, huh? I know I'd love a revisit to the Soulblazer or Actraiser series.

That's one of the best statements I've heard in a while. We should get a true sequel to Actraiser to replace that abortion they called Actraiser 2. And Soulblazer was one of my favorite SNES games - while we did get two worthy sequels in that series, I wouldn't mind seeing another.

Warlock wrote:
P.S. - There are enough load times on the PSX version (ugg), why would you want this on the PSP? :P That being said, I hope they include all the cutscenes from the PSX version in this 😉 DS can definately handle it - and hell, Square has already been loading their DS titles up with them recently anyways.

I just transferred my ps1 copy of Final Fantasy Cronicles: Chrono Trigger to my PSP with autopopstation4 and custom firmware and it plays absolutely fine with very little load times. i figured it would be a pretty good alternative until this is released on the DS.

Cloral wrote:That's one of the best statements I've heard in a while. We should get a true sequel to Actraiser to replace that abortion they called Actraiser 2. And Soulblazer was one of my favorite SNES games - while we did get two worthy sequels in that series, I wouldn't mind seeing another.

There is a fourth game, it's just not under the Enix label, and it's on the PS1. It's an excellent game called The Granstream Saga (hit the link for more info on the game, courtesy of HG101) that was tragically overlooked in the states due to it's primitive graphics (despite the fact that it was pretty huge in Japan). You can pick up a complete copy on eBay for about ten bucks, and it's very much worth it if you liked the other three games.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3168563

here's the first trailer.

There is something pathetic about a coming attraction for a game that has been out for 15 years.

They need to do something new with this. Make a graphical revamp, please. Make another sequel that has the same characters. Do something new.

The reason I am so critical is that Chrono Trigger is one of my top 2 or 3 favorite video games of all time. I absolutely loved that game. I'm shocked that Final Fantasy has gotten 35 sequels and two movies, and Chrono Trigger gets one sequel on a system I never owned. bah.

Breaker wrote:http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3168563

here's the first trailer.

People on Kotaku were absolutely bitching and slamming the game due to that trailer. It's so sad. They were bitching, because of ONE trailer that doesn't even show the split screen stuff, that it was a pure port and Square was ripping them off, etc. Seriously, I don't even think that trailer is of the DS version. I think it's meant as more of a celebration of 13 years of Chrono Trigger (given the text) and they have shots of the SNES/PSX version in there. I mean, if it was actually the DS version, why wouldn't it be split screened?

Also, everyone seems to have it in their head that this game needs a "sprite update" or "to be remade in 3d" -_- Damn idiots...

Warlock wrote:
Also, everyone seems to have it in their head that this game needs a "sprite update" or "to be remade in 3d" -_- Damn idiots...

I'm not an idiot because I refuse to pay again for something I already own.

I think a graphical update would be really fun! I'd like to see a 3D engine power the game, but with the exact same viewing perspective. Fresh new graphics, updated sound, and the music done by a full symphony/rock band.

It would be incredible, people would piss themselves and basically put indiscriminate wads of cash in envelopes and mail it to Square.

The game doesn't need a 3D upgrade to be awesome. If they were to make it 3D then they'd have to make the characters all chibis like in FF4DS. As cute as Rydia is as a chibi, I prefer the GBA port.

Also, I have a good idea where the new dungeon is gonna be. Anyone who knows the soundtrack for the game must know of the unreleased music called "Singing Mountain" a piece that was used in a dungeon in 65 million BC of the same name that was taken out. My bet is that Singing Mountain is the bonus dungeon. :kitty:

One more thing. The Chrono Compendium was very informative and some of the fan art was both awesome and funny. :kitty:

mrz84 wrote:Also, I have a good idea where the new dungeon is gonna be. Anyone who knows the soundtrack for the game must know of the unreleased music called "Singing Mountain" a piece that was used in a dungeon in 65 million BC of the same name that was taken out. My bet is that Singing Mountain is the bonus dungeon. :kitty:

My thoughts exactly. I've already put up 500 pineconn dollars on that.

Beldaran wrote:I'm not an idiot because I refuse to pay again for something I already own.

I think a graphical update would be really fun! I'd like to see a 3D engine power the game, but with the exact same viewing perspective. Fresh new graphics, updated sound, and the music done by a full symphony/rock band.

It would be incredible, people would piss themselves and basically put indiscriminate wads of cash in envelopes and mail it to Square.

If you don't want to rebuy the game, that is perfectly fine with me. The problem I have is with people who feel they are "being ripped off" because it's a port and not a complete remake ala FFIV DS. What I said over at Kotaku - seriously, if you don't like it, you don't have to buy it! I'm interested in it purely because it's the first real handheld version of the game (and no Mott, I'm not going to go through the effort to stick a ROM of it on my DS :P)

Personally I don't see a need for them to change the graphics. The graphics of Chrono Trigger were already gorgeous. Would I complain if they wanted to do that? No, of course not. But I see no need to complain that they are *not* doing it. It's not like this is an NES title or something.

But the main thing is, why should Square put forth that effort? I mean, on a game that already exists? If they are going to put that much effort into it, I'd rather they just do a damn Chrono Trigger 3 instead, you know? I get the feeling that some people (esp. the people over in those Kotaku stories) get this idea in their head that Square can just flip a switch and magically update all the graphics (one guy said they should be as detailed as The World Ends With You as his example.. seriously?). It just doesn't work that way. Particularly when they want to reuse the old game engine.

Anyways, I agree with mrz84 regardless on this, the DS is not the best place for a "3d update". I mean, FFIII DS and FFIV DS are both nifty and all, but the "3d update" looks like crap. It's basically N64 quality graphics. Personally, what I'd like to see is a console release - and honestly I'm aiming more at another sequel when I say this. Look at some of the more recent Dragon Warrior games. They used cel-shaded 3d artwork that resembled Akira Toriyama's "Dragonball Z style" art. How awesome would that be for Chrono Trigger? Rather than the very bland style Chrono Cross used, go with fully cel-shaded DBZ style art to match the SNES title.

Oh, and regarding the new dungeon - maybe. But remember, there is also that robot Collesium thingy in the future that was cut. I would love to see them add that back in, even if it's not a full dungeon but maybe something like FFVI's collesium (just not auto battles :P). They could even tie the new "Wifi multiplayer" battle mode into it. I would love to see Singing Mountain too, but from what I saw of the maps, it didn't look all that interesting. Just kind of another pre-historic mountain region. I'd like whatever they chose to add to be visually interesting (which I suppose the Dragon Cave in FFVI Advance was kind of ugly too, but at least it had a few varried areas)

It doesn't help that I don't want to buy something I already have, (Yeah, same case...) but that I'm also direly curious about the new dungeon. 😞

I forgot about the Robot Coliseum looking thingy.... That would be interesting as well as long as they aren't auto-battles like in FF6's WOR Coliseum. Those are a pain the ass especially when you have to fight Chupon. :sweat: