I can't believe this. Their name kinda betrays them, though. I mean, Christian? Okay, I'm cool with that. Leadership? Okay, walking into dangerous territory. Southern? Whoa! Screams stupid extremists.
Guess it just goes to show you what members of the SCLC support in their spare time.
(Dog fighting, for those that didn't get it)
Vick to be honored... *just shakes head*
I think it's absurd to assign such suspicion and hatred to the word "Southern" and not the word "Christian". Christians have been around much longer and perpetrated much more death, mayhem, and ignorance than the south could ever hope to.
Oh by the way, the whole slavery thing you're about to blame on the south? Yeah that was actually a christian thing. They quoted sections of the old testament to prove the god wanted white men to enslave black men. They were deeply religious people. Did it ever occur to you that christianity is a huge part of the reason the south is so insane?
No, no, you misunderstand. I have no problem with southerners in general. It's only when combined with the word Christian that I think it's a problem.
Now there's word that the SCLC have decided not to honor Vick after all. Reading the most recent story, it sounds like they never intended to honor him. Rather, they just invited him to attend their event, but he cannot because he currently cannot leave the state of Virginia.
The thing I heard several times in the new story is people asking us not to make a judgment on him until the court case is decided. And obviously, he is entitled to fair process before the law, just like everyone else. And when it comes to an organization like the NFL, whether they can take action without any sort of legal decision does get into a gray area. But I, as an individual, am entirely able to form a personal opinion based on the evidence available. For instance, do I have to believe that OJ or Robert Blake are innocent, just because a jury found them innocent? Of course not. That would be silly.
OK ... link to article verifying that the group has backed off from wanting to honor Dogboy <lol>.
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/17591
EDIT: Here's another link: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7100910
And Hitler used Darwin to justify his actions. This is the same argument which will take all of us nowhere, stop leading us there Bel.
Oh look Beldaran turning it into another religious argument I can't wait to see how this turns out!
I still say, Beldaran, that if you'd look at the web site you see very faith-neutral wording and very little to do with Christianity itself. I mean by now I'm pretty used to most conservative groups being unafraid to have a mission statement like
We strive to bring peace to men and women of all races through the loving power of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ the Nazerene, while spreading His message to all who have ears to hear and using the absolute fewest number of sentences as possible.I don't see much of that there, which led me to my point that the term "Christian" was likely placed in the the name to cause those sitting on the fence to apply a divine importance to their goals.
Of course you are free to suggest that having the word "Christian" in your name automatically makes you a Christian group, in which case I continue to press my point that the existence of the Church of Jesus Christ, Scientist conveniently makes you a Christian since you claim to be a scientist and obviously Jesus was too.
Well well well... seems as though Vick is close to admitting that yes he is guilty.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13898519/detail.html
Imagine that!
EDIT: Seems Vick just can't win for loosing... South Carolina Inmate Hits Michael Vick With '$63,000,000,000 Billion Dollar' Lawsuit Alleging Al Qaeda Ties
Okay... seems Vick has decided to accept a plea deal... of guilty! Duh!
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/20/vick/index.html
His defense lawyer had this to say: "Mr. Vick has agreed to enter a plea of guilty to those charges and to accept full responsibility for his action and the mistakes he has made. Michael wishes to apologize again to everyone who has been hurt by this matter," Martin's statement said.
It's about time a sports player admitted guilt and took the punishment for their actions/reactions.
I'm still struggling to understand the sensationalism around this issue. I mean yeah, I disapprove of big professional athetes and their attitude and big pay.
But really, dogfighting is a really cool and exciting sport. Most countries don't have a problem with animal sports, and they have an important history in many cultures, like the Spanish bullfighting. That is some of the most entertaining stuff I've ever watched.
Most Americans are just too sensitive.
Doesn't animal cruelty enter your thoughts when thinking about animal fighting... at all?
You say... '... important history in many cultures"... are you serious? The Spanish government is honestly rethinking their stance on bull fighting and are thinking of banishing the sport from their country... on the stance of animal cruelty.
Cock fighting, dog fighting... it IS animal cruelty. It is exploiting an animals need to dominate another of it's kind.
In nature it is one thing. When used as a sport... an entertainment for humanity... it should be illegal.
Cruelty of anything for humanities entertainment... is just plain wrong. But then again - that is just my two cents.
Animal cruelty doesn't exist in my mind. Human cruelty, yes. But not animal.
Animals feel pain too. If I stab you in the stomach it hurts just as much as a dog getting stabbed in the stomach.
phattonez wrote:Animals feel pain too. If I stab you in the stomach it hurts just as much as a dog getting stabbed in the stomach.
I don't buy that. I don't think the animals are sentient.
I hope to God that you NEVER own an animal. For if it ever breaks its leg, becomes ill or something like that... I can tell right now that the animal will suffer if it's in your care.
Animals with broken legs cry out in pain when that leg is jostled, moved around or something like that.
Animals might not be "sentient" as you are saying... but they DAMN SURE HAVE FEELINGS! (I need to go look up the meaning of sentient)
*politely leaves this discussion before I find myself banned from the board*
You've obviously never seen the killing of an animal, Glenn. They feel pain just as much as you do.
Excuse me Glenn, but you're overlooking one simple fact.
Humans are nothing more than highly evolved mammals.
Sure we have bigger brains, but in the end, we're not much different from the creatures we share this planet with.
If you're still not convinced, then here's another fun fact:
Pain is the body's way of delivering a warning that something is causing damage to the body in some way.
If animals couldn't feel pain, then they'd die incredibly quickly, because they would never know that something is harming them. And causing harm to another creature just for the sake of entertainment is just wrong.
Hypothetical situation: Aliens land on earth, deem us to be nothing more than low level, non-sentient animals, and kill us for entertainment. Would you have a problem with that?
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I still stand by what I said earlier. Glenn has a very fucked up view of life and will be a very lonely person as the years go by because of it. This just adds to it.
Animals have all the parts and organs a human does and they feel pain just like us. My dog got her paw caught in the cage door and she was limping for a few minutes and whining from the pain. My horse was screaming when a stray dog bit her. They feel pain just like us and unless you can prove other wise you lose.
So back to topic, I heard that Vick pleaded guilty.
I think that as long as both dogs are of age they should be able to fight if they want to as long as they do it in their own homes and aren't hurting anyone else 😊
AtmaWeapon wrote:I think that as long as both dogs are of age they should be able to fight if they want to as long as they do it in their own homes and aren't hurting anyone else 😊
How do you suppose a dog can give informed consent?
When I read that I thought he was kidding. I hope he was kidding.
So when do we get to hear the sentence?
I hope Michael Vick gets fucked up the ass in prison.
Beldaran wrote:I hope Michael Vick gets fucked up the ass in prison.
He's got the muscle of an NFL quarterback, so he'll probably be safe.
Glenn the Great wrote:He's got the muscle of an NFL quarterback, so he'll probably be safe.
Yes the muscle of a pro football player is gonna save you from a group of horny convicts looking to screw something.
I don't know why he tried to deny it in the first place since he knew they were gonna find him guilty.
Glenn the Great wrote:Animal cruelty doesn't exist in my mind. Human cruelty, yes. But not animal.
What I'm about to say is not meant as an attack... at all.
Glenn... I'm slowly coming to the belief/realization that you will voice outrageous opinions/thoughts/etc just for the "shock 'n awe" reaction to what you've had to say.
I know not whether you believe half of what you say but honestly it doesn't matter. I think it's a tactic of yours to get attention - be it good or bad attention. And then again it could also be a ploy, just as someone playing "devils advocate" is, to liven up what's being discussed at that moment in time.
AlexMax wrote:How do you suppose a dog can give informed consent?They sign contracts with their paw prints OK?
Also Prrkitty are you just realizing Glenn is a pretty constant troll?
I personally don't care if Glenn doesn't believe animal cruelty is legitimate. Frankly, I think it requires you to be a very emotionally dead and possibly hate filled person to not care about animal cruelty, but as long as he obeys the animal cruelty laws I don't care what he thinks about it.
Sort of like how I think you should be able to shoot drunk drivers on sight, but I don't do it because it's illegal. [I don't really think that.]
[I do think they should get 10 years in prison minimum for a single DUI, however.]
AtmaWeapon wrote:Also Prrkitty are you just realizing Glenn is a pretty constant troll?
I'd hoped what I kept seeing of his posts... wasn't a constant. Apparently it is.
From this point on I will not act/react to his wildly ludicrous and mostly outrageous comments/thoughts/opinions/etc.
It doesn't help me and it definately doesn't help him. For if I did it would be akin to 'enabling'. And I refuse to be an enabler.
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Now... back on topic... discussion of Vick. Seems everyone is waiting on the Football Officials to decide if he can or can't play anymore. Guess we'll see soon.
I hope he goes to jail so that the question does not even come up.