Vick to be honored... *just shakes head*

Do you think they would recognize me as an outstanding human being?

Prrkitty wrote:
Are people just plain blind to reality?

Well, they are christians after all.:googly:

Glenn the Great wrote:Do you think they would recognize me as an outstanding human being?

Oh, and you have to suck up to them. A lot.

Am I the only one perplexed as to why presidential cantidates are attending the opening of this place's headquarters? Are all presidents expected to be christian (and not just christian, but southern conservative evangelist-approving type christians) now? Did Bush's buttbuddies secretly get a law passed to that effect?

Jennifer wrote:
Are all presidents expected to be christian (and not just christian, but southern conservative evangelist-approving type christians) now?

To a certain extent, yes. If a non-christian, or even worse... an atheist!, was elected president then the first thing christians would do is start loudly complaining that they were going to be persecuted. Everything that president did would be taken as something against christians.

The damned "moral majority" in this country is ridiculous. This country was founded on religious freedom, which includes the freedom from any religion. The state and church should be separated and everyone mind their own religious views. None of the those political figures should have attended this event.

Prrkitty wrote: Michael Vick will be honored by the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.

Thats all I read before my brain tuned out.

Well I guess this means that the SLCL promotes dogfighting. Everybody remember that the next time they make any sort of statement on what they call a 'morals' issue.

Fucking hypocrits.

Well, if there's one thing that religion excels at, it's bringing out the hypocrisy in people. Not to suggest that it's the only source, but it's an extremely reliable one. Plus, religion has the side effect of making it impossible to approach people about their hypocrisy. I mean, their entire conception of the universe is built up upon that hypocrisy, you can't just take it away.

*shudders* The disturbing thing is how much it seems I keep ending up agreeing with Beldaran lately. Oy, maybe I should take up religion just so this doesn't get too far out of hand.

I totally agree with you Cloral... fucking hypocrits (and yes I used the f-word). I honestly can NOT believe those people plan on honoring someone who has repeatedly had bad behavior... even BEFORE the dog fighting incident.

Vic's brother has been in trouble with the law for a number of years (I can't remember where I read what all he'd been charged with... nor if he'd been convicted of any of them).

And the SCLC wants to honor Vic for being an ... "outstanding human being"? I say... ONLY if it pertains to him "OUT STANDING in his dog fighting rings"!

GAH!!!!

You know I keep comparing these venomous cries of hypocrisy with the notion that the SCLC apparently hasn't done anything of note since they had Martin Luther King, Jr. in their membership and I'm having trouble understanding the connection.

While we are busy knee-jerking and finding someone to blame it on, I would like to point out this is less a religiously motivated organization and more a racially motivated organization. I took a look at the Wikipedia article and noticed that the last notable activity there for the SCLC was in the 60s; blaming this on Wikipedia's lax standards I took it further. The main site reminds me of a civil-rights motivated group. Digging further, I found this:

WHO WE ARE
WHO WE ARE:
The SCLC consists of local chapters and affiliates from around the country that support the organization, and work in their own community to implement national programs such as voter registration, improvement of education and direct action against racial injustice.

But I'm sure, all of you being rationally-minded individuals, did your research before posting. In fact, finding an article about the civil rights undertones of the case took such a trivial effort I'm going to assume everyone already read it. Ignoring the fact that he is black and two powerful black rights organizations are rushing to his aid , one can see that they seem to feel that the sensational media has been unfair to Vick. Unfortunately one has to read their arguments and think very hard about their meaning to arrive at this conclusion, and it looks kind of silly of them. (I think it's rubbish but hey whatever.)

But I'm sure all of you good people are above the hypocrisy of reading a single news article, associating an organization with a group of people because of a word in its name, then transferring hatred to the group of people because of the group without doing any research to see just who they were and what they stood for.

By the way, since we are all educated individuals, the proper spelling is hypocrite. If I were to follow your line of logic, could I decide that since there is a Church of Christ, Scientist that all scientists must be Christians? It has both "Christ" and "Scientist" in the name, after all!

I don't see hypocrisy, I see the NAACP and a sister organization rushing to the aid of a poor black soul that is being held down by PETA and other primarily white organizations. This has been par for the course for quite some time now.

Hahaha, I will be the first to admit that I am not above a little hypocrisy. I am, however, willing to admit that mistakes may have been made. My bad. I mean, I certainly stand by my statements, but in retrospect, this may not have been the place for them.

Although regardless, in light of recent events, it's still kind of odd that Vick would be honored by anyone. Certainly, though, yes, I can't deny the civil rights undertones of the case, but it's kind of hard to get past the whole "dogfighting" business.

OK, so I didn't bother to read the article before posting. But you know what? They are still hypocrites. They want people to be judged not by their race but by their character, but they are defending him because of his race and are ignoring his character. Not only is that the very definition of hypocricy, it makes them racists.

Unlike rock_nog, I am completely above hypocrisy. I am not hypocritical at all, in any way. I am, and have been, and will continue to be, wrong about many things based on my lack of knowledge, frame of reference, or mistake. However, every time I receive new information proving me wrong, I adjust my viewpoints accordingly. In my behavior there is no moral contradiction whatsoever.

This Southern Christian Leadership Conference is behaving stupidly. I assume that the vast majority, if not all, of its membership consists of magic believers, many of whom believe in the undead super-wizard named Jesus. I consider this belief to be unscientific and have found historically that it is often associated with ridiculous if not downright evil behavior.

I am now aware that it is primarily a racially motivated group. Still, I doubt a statistically significant percentage of it's members identify themselves as atheist. I can therefore view it correctly as another example of people inclined towards irrational behavior behaving irrationally.

Well, um... yeah... Damnit Beldaran. Even when you're being horribly flawed, you're perfect. Gah! This is why I hate you - because you're so damn right all the time. Me, I like being wrong. Being right all the time is a big responsibility - I need to be able to have the freedom to be utterly and completely stupid from time to time (trust me on this).

Think carefully about this though... I'm claiming that I'm right all the time in the sense that I refuse to believe I'm absolutely right about anything. It's scientific skepticism.

I believe I am above hypocrisy because I ruthlessly analyze and correct my behavior to correspond to the data stream reaching my brain through my senses. I will do stupid things. I will learn from them. I will hurt people. I will apologize and do better next time. I'm probably completely wrong about a huge flaming chunk of everything I know, but I'm constantly sniffing for new information that will reveal my wrongness so that I can fix it.

I am above hypocrisy because I refuse to absolutely certain of myself except in that I am certain that reason and skepticism are the path to real, useful knowledge.

Yeah well, I'll be the big man and admit I was prejudicial in dismissing the "Southern Christian Leadership Conference"

Not because of the word "Christian" though, but the word "Southern".

There I was being a hypocrite, and I'll probably try to be less presumptuous in the future.

Or maybe not. Fuck the south.

Ahahaha OK Daarkseid I'll give you that one I used to live there and really the only thing worth salvaging is the women, and even then the bulk of them need ballgags to remove their least endearing qualities.

Seriously I can't think of an organization that has tacked "Southern" onto the front of its name that I stand behind.

Also guys remember when Glenn used to talk like Beldaran and we all thought we were going to see him on the news? I believe it eventually resulted in a ban because he got more and more loony with each post and people were genuinely scared of him.

I should have posted sooner so my "Countdown to Beldaran turning this into 'they are a bunch of WITCHES and should be burned'" statement would have carried some weight. Also seriously "I am right all the time because I know I will make mistakes and when I do I will learn from them that means I don't make mistakes got it?" Does anyone buy that? This is probably the third time that I've delivered facts to the data stream of your head and it's clear the only reason you don't believe them is they came from me.

Also I don't argue that this organization is right at all; "equal rights" organizations in general are home to hypocrisy that is quite possibly the only hypocrisy greater than or equal to than the tight-knit clicks in old Southern Baptist churches. I believe Dr. King was genuine and only believed in equality, but those that followed him seem to believe that they must be equal and receive extra consideration, which I disagree with wholeheartedly.

You can tell from the NAACP's statements that they are struggling to come up with a logical reason to support Vick, and I can only hope that they continue ridiculous moves like this so their power is weakened.

Watch everyone, as Atmaweapon dismisses the scientific method as a self centered delusion.

Wait a minute, I thought that this thread was going to be about how stupid Michael Vick was, not christianity, we've already beaten that dead horse to death.

And yeah, most christians are normal human beings, and some christians will use religion as a front to more self-serving motives, film at 11.

Well, it was, but we already know what a horrible person Vick is - that these idiots are honoring him is news, though. And, of course, people couldn't help but notice "Christian" in the name. However, I think we can all agree that, regardless of Christianity's involvement, this whole business is just stupid. Point is, this thread is about that group honoring him, not Vick himself, regardless of the reason behind their stupidity.

*MY* point in starting this thread in the first place was to point out the fact that someone/some group/etc wanted to honor Vick.

And that idea... that someone (hell... anyone) would want to honor him just boggled my mind.

Honestly... what has he done in his life to be honored for? And on top of that... what might he have done/could he have done in his life that could/would possibly negate the aftermath of his dog fighting incidents?

I just... honestly... can't see it.

Here's what they said when I was listening to Opie & Anthony on Monday.

They saw where the NAACP was coming from by saying that we can't judge him yet. After all, he hasn't been convicted. However, they also recalled how the NAACP were all over the Duke Lacrosse Players before they were convicted.

Racism is stupid.

OK, so I think we're all in basic agreement, so that's good. I have to admit that I do tend to be a bit lazy when it comes to checking up on things. Half the time I don't even read all the posts in a thread if there's a good number of them, and that's a bad habit. So there's really no excuse for me not doing my homework, however I will say that it is quite misleading of them to name themselves thusly if they are indeed a 'civil rights' group.

*reads title and freezes*

Wha-Wha-Wha-Wha-WHAAAAT?

somebody wants to HONOR this guy after they found out he was involved in a Dogfighting scandal?

...Just what are these people thinking?

lol, apparently someone shares my bad habit!

Ok. I've heard about this guy on the radio news whilst going to work for the past week or so. After reading this, I must say that I am shocked and appalled by a religious group supporting such an individual. Religious groups have never been at the top of my list of favorite things. Maybe I thought church was too boring as a kid, but meh. To get to the point, they should probably not get mixed up with supporting somebody who will most likely be convicted of a serious crime in the first place. That's is my 2 cents. Now I am off to parts unkown. Well, not really. :kitty:

mrz84 wrote:Ok. I've heard about this guy on the radio news whilst going to work for the past week or so. After reading this, I must say that I am shocked and appalled by a religious group supporting such an individual. Religious groups have never been at the top of my list of favorite things. Maybe I thought church was too boring as a kid, but meh. To get to the point, they should probably not get mixed up with supporting somebody who will most likely be convicted of a serious crime in the first place. That's is my 2 cents. Now I am off to parts unkown. Well, not really. :kitty:

Seriously I am struggling to comprehend how dumb this was.

AtmaWeapon wrote:Worst. Troll. Ever.

Seriously I am struggling to comprehend how dumb this was.

I was just giving my opinion which I'm entitled to like everybody else on this forum. If you view it as dumb, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. However I'd like to know how my post made me a troll. I meant no ill will to anyone save for Vick and possibly the group in question who is supporting him. :kitty:

Well you kind of missed an entire page of discussion about how the group in question is actually a civil rights group. The word "Christian" in their name is an emotional appeal kind of thing, kind of like how at school no one else gets to go to your "Advanced" classes and the reason they hit you is because they are jealous. 😛irate::gavel:

They are a religious civil rights group. There is nothing wrong with mrz's post.