I hate new RPG's and the Final Fantasy series...

Axel wrote:FFCC is confusing the hell outta me. Is there a story at all? I completed year two and so far I haven't figured out a plot at all, haven't seen anything to earn it the title RPG. Fun, though.

I thought it was kinda boring after a while. After like, year four it just seemed like it was the exact same stuff, but my characters were too weak to do anything.

FF9 was fun, but I felt there were too many "story scenes". It was neccesary, for the plot, but it was still kinda monotonous. Also one of my favorite RPGs, oddly enough.

If you don't want a game with too much hightech crap and whatnot...try Tales of Symphonia for the GameCube or PS2. GREAT RPG...no guns...some technology....but that is because it is more fantasy with elves and what not. It's a good game with a solid story line. A nice long one too so it doesn't end right away like some RPGs tend to do. Try it out...some RPGs can be good...it's just a matter of opinion really.

Link 101 wrote:If you don't want a game with too much hightech crap and whatnot...try Tales of Symphonia for the GameCube or PS2. GREAT RPG...no guns...some technology....but that is because it is more fantasy with elves and what not. It's a good game with a solid story line. A nice long one too so it doesn't end right away like some RPGs tend to do. Try it out...some RPGs can be good...it's just a matter of opinion really.

Got through year three of FFCC before I returned it. Don't think I'll rent it again, though. The game reminds me of Ratchet and Clank, for some reason; but without the silliness and colorful characters.

Does anyone know if FFX-2 is any better than FFX. It just got irritating having so little real control while playing FFX, every five minutes or so another cinematic, no overworld map, all that stuff. Good story, but I'm playing a game, not a novel.

DUWILLI wrote:
The science fiction theme has ruined the series for me. FF7 came out when I was in Junior High, so I was again excited...it looked promising. Now I must say I was hooked on it for the week or so it took me to finish. However, I soon was frustrated at all of the flying and the submarines and the minigames and other nonsense. Characters who use guns, and a futuristic setting rather than a classic medieval.

When I was younger, I couldn't agree more. The even mere thought of a Final Fantasy having a gun pissed me off. That was just so un-Final Fantasy. But maybe you need to sit down and play Final Fantasy IX. It goes back to medieval times.

Personally, Final Fantasy VII is my least favorite. It just plain sucks. This is what I would do: Play Final Fantasy VIII, it is the one that is the furthest into the future. Compared to it, the rest will seem not so futuristic.

Final Fantasy XII will be back to medieval times, though it's battle system is kinda of, well, gay.

And by all means, do NOT buy Crystal Chronicles. It IS an insult to the FF logo.

Yeah, I have been thinking of trying some of them out just on the principle that the 8/16 bit console ones were some of my most favorite games.

They deserve that much at least.

And about Morrowind...that game is TOO huge, lol. If that had a 4 person LAN mode, it would be PERFECT. I get too bored too fast because the story doesn't keep you in it like the Final Fantasy series did...you can just run around and murder everyone, which loses fun after a while.

Oh and I recently saw the tech demo of Final Fantasy 7 for the PS3...that console is looking better and better...if only they would ship it at a REASONABLE price...

I may go ahead and play through 7 again...if I can find my discs. I guess I could always acquire the PC version too.

Axel wrote:Got through year three of FFCC before I returned it. Don't think I'll rent it again, though. The game reminds me of Ratchet and Clank, for some reason; but without the silliness and colorful characters.

Does anyone know if FFX-2 is any better than FFX. It just got irritating having so little real control while playing FFX, every five minutes or so another cinematic, no overworld map, all that stuff. Good story, but I'm playing a game, not a novel.

DuWilly wrote: I may go ahead and play through 7 again...if I can find my discs. I guess I could always acquire the PC version too.

I'm really enjoying FF10, but the plot is like the most important to me. If the plot keeps me entertained, I can make my way through bad gameplay, but the battles are cool and I din't really mind the limited OW. But unlike Axel, my favorite RPGs are ones with lots of long cutscenes. But the reason I like FF10 is because the story revolves around Yuna, like I love ToS because it revolves around Colette. And I love Morrowind because it's as close to an MMORPG as I can get, and I like doing quests on it.

When I want a story, I go to the library. When I go to Blockbuster, I expect a game. C'mon, who else loves the old Sonic and Mario games? Totally nonsensical, but lots of fun. I don't think a game's worth playing if it feels like you're watching it.

Axel wrote:When I want a story, I go to the library. When I go to Blockbuster, I expect a game. C'mon, who else loves the old Sonic and Mario games? Totally nonsensical, but lots of fun. I don't think a game's worth playing if it feels like you're watching it.

I thought they have the opposite problem. I loved the long levels that had you moving in every direction to get through. The new GBA ones seem to be just run in a straight line and you'll get through.

I know, that's why I don't really enjoy them as much as I should. The old ones were great in that they were both fast and made you dizzy. You zoomed pretty much all over the place, and you don't get that these days. Sigh.

Axel wrote:When I want a story, I go to the library. When I go to Blockbuster, I expect a game...Totally nonsensical, but lots of fun. I don't think a game's worth playing if it feels like you're watching it.

Same here. That's the reason I'm holding off on buying Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes - every review I've read said there are more cinematics than game.

Darth Marsden wrote:I LOVE the old Sonic games. Why don't they make those anymore? Why is it always about exploration? The old games were about speed... I miss that. The new DS one looks like it's going some way to fix that, but it took them forever to get it right...

I love'm too, which is why I bought the Sonic Mega Collection. If you want speed in a new Sonic game, check out Sonic Heroes. Of the 3d Sonic games, it feels the most like the classic ones.

The game does have it's flaws though: the camera is a pain sometimes, and some levels are really hard and I'm sure you will want to throw your controller against the wall after you've fallen to your death for the 20th time in a row. But, there's is a lot of good in the game, and it is worth the $20 price tag.

EDIT: This fall Sega is putting out the Sonic Gems collection, which has Sonic CD and a few rare Sonic games. I'm not sure I'm going to buy it since Sonic CD is all I'd like to play, but I may rent it.

I have Sonic Heroes, and I hate it. Not hate as in 'Eh, it's not great' but hate as in 'Oh dear god, this is the most abysmal game I have ever played!'. The levels make no sense, there's no flow (How did we get from a haunted house to a jungle?), the clipping is appaling, the character voices are eardrum-burstingly bad, the camera consistantly fails to keep up with the action and you're not even controlling the characters half the time. I play it only because I feel I have to, and even then I can't play it for long - I find myself finding more and more things wrong with it every time I play. And don't even get me started on the Chaos Emerald stages!

I have the Sonic Mega Collection and I'll get the Sonic Gems Collection as well, but I still prefer to play the games on my PC with an emulator, because...
1) They look better.
2) I can edit them and essentially make my own game.
3) Save states! Sometimes you just want to quick save and do something else, continuing from where you left off a few hours later.

And I'm STILL waiting for that SegaSonic The Hedgehog arcade game. For some reason I have memories of playing it in Japan, despite the fact that I've never been...

Axel wrote:When I want a story, I go to the library. When I go to Blockbuster, I expect a game. C'mon, who else loves the old Sonic and Mario games? Totally nonsensical, but lots of fun. I don't think a game's worth playing if it feels like you're watching it.

To me it feels like you're watching a movie and participating in it and I really like that. I liked platformers when I was a kid, but as I got older, plot became more important, but I still like the Mario and Sonic ones I grew up with, but these days I'd rather have a story intense RPG then a new platformer with unfamilliar charecters. It's just me though. ^_^

vegeta1215 wrote:Eh, don't worry about it. There aren't any HUGE Squaresoft fans at AGN as far as I know.

[smartass]Hello vegeta, nice to meet you.[/smartass] Squaresoft is all I play. I have all the Final Fantasies, I have both Chrono games, and every once in a while, I play Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. Other than that, everything else is just, "buh"...

So you never play a Sega game, or a Nintendo one, or anything by Capcom, Rare, Bungie, Rockstar, Neversoft, etc...

From the sound of it, I have more Square games then you, and I don't really care what people say. They were really good once, they lost it, and now they're starting to get it back - that's my opinion, but I'm more than happy to let others express theirs. I'll argue with them about it afterward, but Hey! That's generally what people with opposing views do. At least here, we soften the blow with smilies 😃

Suck it up, soldier. You'll have your day. :sly: (I don't get to use that one very often, thanks for giving me the chance :heart: )

vegeta1215 wrote:This fall Sega is putting out the Sonic Gems collection, which has Sonic CD and a few rare Sonic games. I'm not sure I'm going to buy it since Sonic CD is all I'd like to play, but I may rent it.

Its also got Vectorman 1 and 2 if you like those. :tongue:

Monica wrote:To me it feels like you're watching a movie and participating in it and I really like that. I liked platformers when I was a kid, but as I got older, plot became more important, but I still like the Mario and Sonic ones I grew up with, but these days I'd rather have a story intense RPG then a new platformer with unfamilliar charecters. It's just me though. ^_^

I'm sort of the other way around. I just don't have time anymore to play games, or sit down and play one game for a total of 40+ hours. Since I can't spend as much time on them, I just don't get as much enjoyment out of them. So I'd rather go for those games that can be beaten in about 6 hours, or fast paced action games where I can jump in and jump out, without having to invest much time.

Darth Marsden wrote:And don't even get me started on the Chaos Emerald stages!

You got me there. Those special stages are the worst. They're nearly impossible to beat and sadly you have to collect all of the Chaos Emeralds to fight Metal-Sonic.

I'm almost proud to say that I have two emeralds. Which is pretty amazing seing as you can't even cheat. The only Action Replay codes that are even remotely useful are 999 Rings, Infinite Lives and Infinite Score, none of which do anything in those f**king stages. GRR.

Getting back on topic a bit, I love this game.

Out of idle curiousity, was Metal Sonic any good? My brother got to him (having a talent for Sonic bonus stages, no matter how stupid) but I didn't see him before we returned the game. I remember from Sonic & Knuckles that the Knuckles final boss was Super Metal Sonic (we affectionately called him Super Chuck) and he was kickass.

No idea, I have trouble playing the game for more then 30 minutes at a time. F**KING CLIPPING!!! One of these days I'll finish it. One of these days. I've seen him in cutscenes though (the one's where he's just copied the data of the ultimate life form, as well as the intro cutscene), and he looks totally bad-ass. If you've played him in the multiplayer bit on Sonic Adventure 2 battle, I think he looks like that, but I can't guarentee it.

And I was wrong, cheats do help in the Special Stages. I was using 'Super Boost' to get the third emerald (I now have four, thank you GSCentral.com) and I accidentally went past it, so I was boosting away wondering 'Where the hell is the emerald?' It was only when I looked at the progress bar that I realised the emerald was behind me! I had to stop my characters dead in their tracks and wait for it to pass me, which I'm sure is not supposed to happen. Oops.

You mean turbine-belly? I've seen the other rendering of him in Adventure, the black one. That was alot better, can't figure out why they went with turbine.

Darth Marsden wrote:From the sound of it, I have more Square games then you, and I don't really care what people say.

Actually, I have them all, (except Kingdom Hearts and Vargant Story) those were just the ones I play the most.

zoraking wrote:...except Kingdom Hearts...

And you call yourself a fan?! 😉 Kingdom Hearts is an excellent game IMHO, and thats not just because it has Donald Duck either. 😊

Yeah, but the GBA one went all card-ish and I don't like card games. Bleh. Still gonna get the PS2 ones though.

Back to Metal Sonic - it's weird. I've had another look (still haven't finished the f**king thing, and it doesn't look like I will anytime soon), and I think he looks more like his Sonic 3 Knuckles incarnation with his Sonic Adventure 2 Battle face. If that makes sense. Still looks BadAss though.

EDIT: Pictures! Note - potential spoilers ahead.

That's hideous. And I don't mean the one that's supposed to be ugly. Somehow I expected an ominous looking figure.

The one on the left is the REAL end-game boss, while the one on the right is from a rendered cutscene. He looks pretty cool in the cutscenes, but I haven't played his boss form yet, so I don't really know how he really appears in that.

Okay here is the definative argument. (okay really just my opinion but in my head it is definative) FF 6 is where the series ended. FF VII is just popular becuase it was marketed way too much. I belive it was the first FF game advertised on TV. I remember watching the commercials and anticipating it.

While the graphics become better and better on the PS2, the story line and gameplay hold nothing to the SNES and NES games. FF VII is not the flagship of RPG's, it is the flagship of what advertising of an RPG does. (i.e. TV, video game magazines) Im sorry, fighting the evil Shinra corp. is nothing new. People fight corporate america everyday. (by the way doesn't the shinra corporation and Wal-Mart hold some similarities with trying to rule the world? maybe Square should of put Wal-Mart as the main villan in the game. :laughing: )

How many movies and games already have this plot line? See my point? FF 6 and under are clearly the best half of this series. The sad part is that FF6 and below are games that came out over a decade ago, and we are dawning on the 20th year anniversary of FF. (yikes Im old! i remember getting the game new as a kid!)

So that means younger gamers dont realize how amazing these games are and so in RPG polls of course the younger ones are going to say games like FF VII becuase that is all they remember.

FF VIII sucked so much i didnt even want to play it, and IX made me happy because it went back to some of the FF roots, and X and X2, well it is a good game, but they could of titled the game something other than FF, and i think nobody would notice. (like maybe Xenogear 2? lol )

And FF XI online? dont even get me started. It is the only online RPG that i know of that is so solo quest unfriendly i quit playing it. I have a life, i dont have time to sit around and wait for a lvl 50 w. mage and b. mage so i can survive and progress in this utterly pointless game that takes up too much time. I have a life ya know! My friends, girlfriend, and family take priority over FF online and i just dont have time for that crap! Although i did love the game play and graphics and progressing story line. So to me FF XI is retarded and awesome wrapped up into one.

FF XII is looking promissing to bring back that old school FF feel (old school medievl times mixed with modern and futureistic technology) , so i hope and hope that it happens.

Anyway, sorry for the long post, but as an old school gamer and lover of the FF sereis, i have much love and bitterness.

:angry: / :love: