Wow. That was incredibly nerdy, but also pretty accurate.
Good on you there, Atma.
Pirates vs. the U.S. Navy
AtmaWeapon wrote:nalndlnla
TL;DR
Just kidding. I've never said that before because I think it's shitty.
Well said.
AlphaDawg wrote:Be afraid, linguine-spined libs, be very afraid... if the US doesn't strike Iran, Israel has made it no secret that they will. Because unlike a majority of us Americans (proof is in our President) Israel puts their self-preservation above all else.
Israel has more balls than we do when it comes to dealing the first blow. Their military force, especially the air force is on par with our own. They've taken our own weapons and made them better. Just look at what they were going to do to Hamas. Israel will gladly stick a missile up Iran's ass without thinking twice. I'm glad we have them on our side because I would hate to piss them off.
franpa wrote:Isn't that because everything worth defending is a part of the offensive?
FAIL!
no its because if you are always attacking and make your enemy always be on their heels, because there is no way for the opposition to set themselves and make a counter attack...
if I'm always punching you in the face every time you try to hit me.. odds are you are not ever gonna hit me.
No matter how you look at the situation... I hope we do NOT fire the first shot. I hope we wait to see what others do/act/react... and go from there. A lot of people want to "poke" us to see how we will act/react. And I hope our government is *adult* enough not to over act/react to those "pokes".
forget that they did more then poke... I saw we set up a group of snipers and shoot all the pirate in one go...
show the world you don't play paddy cake when your trying to box.
Prrkitty wrote:No matter how you look at the situation... I hope we do NOT fire the first shot. I hope we wait to see what others do/act/react... and go from there. A lot of people want to "poke" us to see how we will act/react. And I hope our government is *adult* enough not to over act/react to those "pokes".
Maybe if everyone who "poked" us got a thousand tons of incendiary bombs dropped on them, people would stop poking us.
People will only poke you if they think there are no consequences.
Beldaran wrote:Maybe if everyone who "poked" us got a thousand tons of incendiary bombs dropped on them, people would stop poking us.People will only poke you if they think there are no consequences.
Yeah, that'll go over well - bomb the fuck out of everyone who calls us bad names. But hey, I guess a constant state of unprovoked war will be a huge boon to the military industrial complex.
On a more serious note, does nobody remember the Iraq debacle? They poked us, we retaliated by basically leveling the country, and it turns out they weren't actually a threat in the first place and we got stuck with the cleaning bill.
I would very much like more evidence of open hostility beyond harsh language before our next FUBAR invasion.
rock_nog wrote:Yeah, that'll go over well - bomb the fuck out of everyone who calls us bad names. But hey, I guess a constant state of unprovoked war will be a huge boon to the military industrial complex.
I don't mean people who "call us bad names". I mean people who constantly rant about how they want to annihilate us and starve their population in an effort to build nuclear weapons and shoot test missiles at our territory.
If you think all North Korea does is "call us bad names", you have your head plunged deeply into the sands of pacifist ignorance.
Prrkitty wrote:No matter how you look at the situation... I hope we do NOT fire the first shot. I hope we wait to see what others do/act/react... and go from there. A lot of people want to "poke" us to see how we will act/react. And I hope our government is *adult* enough not to over act/react to those "pokes".
The pirates are "poking" everybody. Germany is about to get involved in this because the pirates have taken some of their people before or they are still currently holding those people. I'll have to look up the info. I heard the last bit as I was walking out the door.
These pirates aren't going after just us. They are going after everyone they can.
Besides, in real life, if some ass hole was poking me, I'd break his arm off and shove it up his ass.
Beldaran wrote:Besides, in real life, if some ass hole was poking me, I'd break his arm off and shove it up his ass.
I laughed when I read this because I was reminded of this post.
Screw you double posting haters.
Prrkitty wrote:No matter how you look at the situation... I hope we do NOT fire the first shot. I hope we wait to see what others do/act/react... and go from there. A lot of people want to "poke" us to see how we will act/react. And I hope our government is *adult* enough not to over act/react to those "pokes".
We need to get our shit together and go after these pirates. Why? This is why. They took ANOTHER boat. Now let's see. We have how big of a naval force and they have what? A tugboat they stole reinforcements that will probably get trigger happy if threatened. It's time to make a movie.
Guys, I think Prrkitty was referring to the situation with Iran/North Korea, not the pirates.
rock_nog wrote:Guys, I think Prrkitty was referring to the situation with Iran/North Korea, not the pirates.
Now she's talking about the pirates too.😃
Like I said in an earlier post. If we don't fire the first shot, Israel will fire 20.
And? I say let Israel handle it - they've got more than enough firepower to take care of themselves. I'd rather they didn't, but come on, we're not the world's babysitter.
Then let Israel fire the first shot like a bunch of greedy bastards. One of these days they're going to dig themselves a hole so deep that we aren't going to try and dig them out of it, and starting a large offensive against Iran is a good way to do so.
Those who are relying on God's Biblical promise to never let the Jewish nation be wiped out are forgetting about the several centuries the Jewish people spent in slavery with Israel occupied by their enemies. God never said "Israel will never lose a war"; he only guaranteed that at the least he'd allow enough Jews to survive that they wouldn't be extinct and they'd be able to rebuild on the rubble of their homeland. It's not a carte blanche for Israel to declare war on anyone they want, it's a warning against their enemies to think twice about an unprovoked attack.
I was talking about Iran/North Korea... but fair enough we can also talk about the pirates too. It's a shame we can't just blow the assholes out of the water and let their li'l floating boat be their casket <giggle>
The Somali elders offered a deal where they would release the captain in exchange for the pirates to escape unharmed. But the US wanted the pirates arrested, so the negotiations have broken down.
How stupid that is. The captain could be free right now.
I would tell the Somali Elders that for every 1 hour that passes in which the captain is not released, US planes will kill 10,000 Somali civilians.
I say let them go in exchange for the safe return of the captain. Then we move in, after the release of the Cap'n, and fuck them up.
granite wrote:I say let them go in exchange for the safe return of the captain. Then we move in, after the release of the Cap'n, and fuck them up.
Then we have egg on our face. It's better to just be aggressive while they are still holding the captain than to chase them down after the captain is freed. Everyone will think we're doing it just for revenge.
Read this article about it and fully agree. Spending a dime of our money on chasing speedboats with battleships is the most ridiculous waste of tax dollars since the bailout plan. It's a speedboat. The fastest battleship can't move at a fraction of the speed, and the guns on the ship fire shells larger than the target. It won't work. There's effectively infinity pirates and what, 3 battleships?
However, a speedboat is not a long-range boat. It can venture maybe a hundred miles or so from shore, but it's not going to be carrying enough fuel and supplies to support a crew for more than a day or so. These guys are living in the harbor and getting fuel, food, and ammo from somewhere. If we get some guys in the ports looking for where the supplies come from and disrupt that, we'll do a lot more damage. It probably won't take but two or three fuel tanks mysteriously catching on fire and ruining some guy's entire business before the pirates start go get ugly looks when they come asking for supplies.
How many men does it take to man a fleet of ships vs. how many operatives it would take to disrupt the pirates' infrastructure? That's America's real problem; we've got such a wide array of technology and weaponry at our disposal that we forget about tactics that don't involve bombing someone until the worms choke on the dust. Some problems can be solved with violence, other problems can be solved with more violence, and still others take finesse. I think this is a Metal Gear type problem, not an Endor-type problem.
Once again Atma, you've demonstrated brilliance in your analysis of foreign conflict. Hot damn, you're on fire. I mean, I realized that sending battleships after them would probably be ineffective (how on Earth do you find a tiny speedboat in the middle of the ocean anyway?) but gee, I hadn't considered shutting down their base of operations.
Prrkitty wrote:It's a shame we can't just blow the assholes out of the water and let their li'l floating boat be their casket <giggle>
Wow. Never thought I'd YOU of all people put in those terms.
Who are you and what have you done with Prrkitty? 😞
@ atma (lol): Umm...problem. They're PIRATES. They don't have their base of operations in plain sight, or easily identifiable. If they were, they'd be long massacred by either the authorities they haven't bought off yet, or by rival pirate groups. Now, if we KNEW where they were holed up, yes, some MGS style infiltrate-and-then-screw-them-over-from-the-inside action would be the best course of action.
Aegix Drakan wrote:the authorities
Which don't really exist in Somalia.
AtmaWeapon wrote:Read this article about it and fully agree. Spending a dime of our money on chasing speedboats with battleships is the most ridiculous waste of tax dollars since the bailout plan. It's a speedboat. The fastest battleship can't move at a fraction of the speed, and the guns on the ship fire shells larger than the target. It won't work. There's effectively infinity pirates and what, 3 battleships?
The last of America's Iowa class battleships were decommissioned in the 90s because they're effectively obsolete from a cost to benefit standpoint. The only useful thing about them is its massive gun battery, which can deliver some serious payload.
Except that they're essentially massive artillery pieces that were state of the art sixty years ago, and what damage can be done by them is done by smaller surface ships firing guided weaponry. And then you have the sheer fire power of a super carrier and its fighter-bomber craft.
Not that any of that is important, one naval destroyer doing anything beyond simple patrol duty would be too much.
I would tell the Somali Elders that for every 1 hour that passes in which the captain is not released, US planes will kill 10,000 Somali civilians.
What are we, terrorists?
Hon... I am not a pacifist... but I do tend to be more peaceful then warlike. BUT... there are times that I can get a bit ornery (spelling?), angry and you could probably say downright pissy.
This would be one of them there times 😊 You can ask Dechy, Gerudo, Dark Knight ... and a few others how I can be...
Aegix Drakan wrote:Wow. Never thought I'd YOU of all people put in those terms.Who are you and what have you done with Prrkitty? 😞
@ atma (lol): Umm...problem. They're PIRATES. They don't have their base of operations in plain sight, or easily identifiable. If they were, they'd be long massacred by either the authorities they haven't bought off yet, or by rival pirate groups. Now, if we KNEW where they were holed up, yes, some MGS style infiltrate-and-then-screw-them-over-from-the-inside action would be the best course of action.
Daarkseid wrote:
What are we, terrorists?
We should be. Those monkeys don't understand anything except violence and power. We should hurt them, bleed them, be ruthless and inhumane, and terrify the shit out of them to the point where Allah sending them to hell sounds like a welcome relief.
We should capture them and cut their testicles off on network television. We should kill their families. We should turn their mosques into dust and teach them carefully and fully that if they choose to use violence as a currency, we have more "cash" than they do.
We must fight fire with fire and end their existence with brutal, unquestionable force.
That is what we would be doing if I was president. I do not tolerate men who initiate aggression. Such men will be met with ten times the aggression on my part.
Beldaran, I am seriously confused. Why is it okay for us to use violence against them, but not for them to use violence against us? By your line of reasoning, they are absolutely justified in what they do. Is this just a "might makes right" thing? Because I don't understand why it's evil for them to use violence, but not for us.