phattonez wrote:You mean you want the Republicans to become Democrats? 😉
No. I wish the Republicans would become Libertarian-lites, honestly.
A focus on individual civil liberties, few government-sponsored programs, true conservative fiscal policy that not only cuts out so-called "handouts" but subsidies to oligopolies with washington interests, true support for second amendment rights, etc.
However, at the same time, something that moves away from degenerate messages of the past such as nationalism, xenophobia and fear mongering. Social conservatism should have no place on the national stage.
That could be a party I might seriously consider voting for. As long as the Democrats represents progressive social change, they'll keep my vote.
Pineconn wrote:After thinking about it for a while (and note that I am, er, was a McCain supporter), one definite positive comes out of the results of the election.
Obama was a clear favorite with other countries, so perhaps the outcome of the election will improve our foreign relations. Just a thought.
When was this poll done? What the hell did the US do to make Belgium so happy? Poland is a bit more obvious (Missile Shield), but i can't recall much we've done that would make Belgium that happy with us.
Other nations like Obama because he's an intelligent guy, and because he represents a departure from the Bush policies they dislike. He's too economically liberal for my tastes, but he'll make a good president, and won't weaken the US.
^^I can agree with that second paragraph, but it doesn't represent progressivism at all. In fact, I think that's what got me confused.
As for that 3rd paragraph, it seems to me that Democrats use more fear-mongering than the Republicans. And what exactly do you find so detestable about social conservatism?
russadwan wrote:I'd have to say it's because a lot of other countries are envious of the US. The fact that they want Obama would show that they think he'll weaken the US and we won't be so much better than they are. Just a thought.
This is most ignorant and xenophobic thing I've read all day... good job. I take it you're part of the jingoist, xenophobic base that AlexMax so lovingly referenced...
Haha, I knew I should have posted this in Political Debate... or even GB.
deathbyhokie wrote:When was this poll done? What the hell did the US do to make Belgium so happy? Poland is a bit more obvious (Missile Shield), but i can't recall much we've done that would make Belgium that happy with us.Other nations like Obama because he's an intelligent guy, and because he represents a departure from the Bush policies they dislike. He's too economically liberal for my tastes, but he'll make a good president, and won't weaken the US.
The article was posted on October 17, 2008. I would assume that the poll was taken around that date.
phattonez wrote:As for that 3rd paragraph, it seems to me that Democrats use more fear-mongering than the Republicans.
I'm just going to quote this because the depths of sheer stupidity in this one statement speaks for itself.
AlexMax wrote:I'm just going to quote this because the depths of sheer stupidity in this one statement speaks for itself.
You don't see the fear-mongering when Democrats use racism to their advantage? You don't see the fear-mongering when Democrats use poverty to their advantage? How about gun-control, how about the portrayal of Bush, how about the portrayal of Republicans in general? You don't think that's worse fear-mongering?
Lilith wrote:Agreed 110%
No you don't. You just finished mocking me for being a libertarian in some other thread.
You know, I've always thought that part of the problem with politics is not being able to see the other side's point of view. I'm not saying agree with it, but simply to understand it. If you can't understand what the other side thinks, you're going to misinterpret their actions.
For instance, take the liberal viewpoint - we see Republicans as a bunch of Christian thugs and hateful bigots who want to restrict our civil liberties, force Christian "values" on us, replace evolution with Jesus riding dinosaurs in school, start wars just for the hell of it, and tax the middle class to pay for handouts for the rich and corporate welfare.
I am not, repeat NOT, saying this view is correct. Obviously it's a gross hyperbole at best, a flat-out deceptive mischaracterization at worst. But the point is, it's this kind of thinking that causes liberals to vote against Republicans. I say vote against Republicans because, certainly for me anyway, I've never really seen the Democrats as a truly liberal party, at least in terms of truly representing my views, but it's more that they're not those dirty, evil Republicans.
Like I said, I know it's not necessarily right, but there you have it. It's not simply that we're some evil group that wants to take over the country or whatever, and force our values on everyone - a large part of it is simply fighting off what we perceive to be an assault on our liberties by the radical Right.
Yeah! Obama wins! Honestly, I wouldn't like McCain as president. But I really didn't want him to die in the middle of his term. Could you imagine Palin as president? *shudder*
Lilith wrote:I'd honestly call myself a libertarian if they weren't on the whole retarded and ignorant of most actual, non-ideological issues. Also, I believe in government intervention in the market to prevent us from going Upton Sinclair again.http://www.somethingawful.com/d/most-awful/seven-awful-internet.php?page=6
So you want government intervention? How is that compatible with libertarianism? And what exactly are they retarded about?
mighty_darknut wrote:Yeah, I'm talking about a switchblade. Flick-knife is a british term for it, and I use british english because I just roll like that.
have you ever been to England?
Pineconn wrote:After thinking about it for a while (and note that I am, er, was a McCain supporter), one definite positive comes out of the results of the election.
Obama was a clear favorite with other countries, so perhaps the outcome of the election will improve our foreign relations. Just a thought.
Who the hell cares what other countries think our next president should be? Who the hell are they? HAve they ever lived here? Where were those numbers generated from? How big of a number in that country does it represent? Plus why the hell does it matter what they think, it does not really effect them.
Not to mention the president does not do much anymore, hes like just a figure head... and he gets to elect senate officials or something like that... I just woke up and dont feel like breaking down what he does.
I personally dident care who won, but I was hoping for McCain... just watch Obama is gonna break shit.
A quick question, is any one surprised?
Pryme8 wrote: Plus why the hell does it matter what they think, it does not really effect them.
Do you have any concept of Foreign Policy and why it matters? You clearly don't, otherwise I can't imagine how you could make such an substantially ignorant comment.
Actually, that's a lie, I have a few theories, all of them involving various crippling mental deficiencies, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt if you can explain yourself.
phattonez wrote:Are you serious?
You do realize who you are responding to, right? Go back and look at his username and then ask yourself the same question again, the answer should be obvious.
Pryme8 wrote:
Not to mention the president does not do much anymore, hes like just a figure head... and he gets to elect senate officials or something like that... I just woke up and dont feel like breaking down what he does.I personally dident care who won, but I was hoping for McCain... just watch Obama is gonna break shit.
As terrible of an answer as this is, I am willing to bet Pryme8 still gave a better description of the presidency than Sarah Palin would be capable of.
At least, I'm pretty sure Pryme8 at least knows Africa is a continent, and not just a country...
Icey wrote:As terrible of an answer as this is, I am willing to bet Pryme8 still gave a better description of the presidency than Sarah Palin would be capable of.At least, I'm pretty sure Pryme8 at least knows Africa is a continent, and not just a country...
Hah hah, the shit that is coming out about Sarah Palin is just awesome. Either McCain's campaign staff are throwing her to the wolves to stave off criticism of McCain's performance, or she's about the most horrible VP pick anyone could've made. Its possibly both cases. Considering the adulation that came about when Sarah Palin was picked, whats happened since then is almost surreal.
The people who were so enthusiastic about Palin were your religious whack job types who have their heads so far up their asses they still can't see just what a terrible pick she was.
The problem with McCain was, aside from the economy, he was trying to appeal to two completely different bases - the fiscal convservatives, and the religious right. These bases, of course, want completely different things - forcing religion on the government is the exact opposite of what a more traditional conservative might want. And you could see it throughout the campaign - every move he made to appeal to one of the bases ended up pissing the other base off. He accepts Hagee's endorsement - the fiscal conservatives freak. He then rejects it, and the religious conservatives freak.
Anyway, what's done is done - I just hope the Republicans might finally start to get their shit together, quit pandering to the damn religious right, and get back to true conservatism.
russadwan wrote:I'd have to say it's because a lot of other countries are envious of the US. The fact that they want Obama would show that they think he'll weaken the US and we won't be so much better than they are. Just a thought.
No, seriously, do you have 46 chromosomes? If you're that disheartened and emo, move to canada/mexico/the moon.
Wait a minute... why the hell are you even bitching about your future career as a doctor being in jeapordy? It is my understanding that you're fairly young, too young to become a doctor within Obama's term(s). Your precious money will probably be in less danger during some other president's term than it "will be" during Obama's :glare:
Din wrote:Yeah! Obama wins! Honestly, I wouldn't like McCain as president. But I really didn't want him to die in the middle of his term. Could you imagine Palin as president? *shudder*
Oh dear GOD. The country would just go straight down the crapper. Cities would burst into flames, and a bunch of other semi-apocalyptic shit would happen.
Pryme8 wrote:
Who the hell cares what other countries think our next president should be? Who the hell are they? HAve they ever lived here? Where were those numbers generated from? How big of a number in that country does it represent? Plus why the hell does it matter what they think, it does not really effect them.
They are magical fun time places taht give us the shit we don't make or otherwise can't provide for ourselves.
Because if they don't like us, we don't get to trade with them and the economy will go down the crapper... and currently, we'd probably take a trip back in time to the groovy age of 1929
majoras_wrath wrote:They are magical fun time places taht give us the shit we don't make or otherwise can't provide for ourselves.Because if they don't like us, we don't get to trade with them and the economy will go down the crapper... and currently, we'd probably take a trip back in time to the groovy age of 1929
I dont think that is very true, we make quite a bit of products in our country, and not to mention I doubt everyone would stop associating with us at once.
but who are they to make an opinion on who should be our president?
How many of them do you think are actually knowledgeable in American affairs? Instead of talking shit, about how I'm retarded ect. Why don't you make and actually educated statement on how it is valid that other countrys can make and informed statement, and not just br opinionated like most of the people who are in our country, who would rather watch American Idol then a debate...
Once again (mainly Alex) amaze me with your lack of a explication of your stance and a excess of shit talking.
not to mention my main issue is where did these numbers come from?
I also had a huge problem with the "sample" ballot, it was a ballot already filled out showing you how to vote completely Democratic! I don't think that is very cool.
You would be floored if you knew that a vast majority of people from other countries know a hell of a lot more than your average american. (in terms of what's going on within america and stuff)
Pryme8 wrote:
but who are they to make an opinion on who should be our president?
Considering that we have our armed forces spread all across the world, are the only nation that field Aircraft carrier groups, and are the world's only remaining super world, I think they have a very valid reason to be concerned over who's running the US.
As for the sample ballot being marked Democrat. Big deal. If your opinion on who you want to vote for is suddenly changed at the absolute last minute by a mark on a scan tron sheet demo then you obviously had no idea just exactly how you wanted to vote in the first place.
This election reminds me of a poem I read somewhere probably 25 years ago...
PLEDGE OF UNITY
The election is over;
The results are known.
The will of the people
Has clearly been shown.
Let's forget all the quarrels
And show by our deeds
That we'll give our new leader
All the help that he needs.
So let's all get together
And let bitterness pass,
I'll hug your elephant
And you kiss my donkey.
😃
Pryme8 wrote:I dont think that is very true, we make quite a bit of products in our country, and not to mention I doubt everyone would stop associating with us at once.
Look around your room and count how many things are labeled: "Made in America", as opposed to "Made in China". While I'm still in doubts whether they are going to be the next super power, it's pretty obvious we import a
lot of our goods nowadays. Outside of your room, go to the local Wal-Mart and see if you can find something that was made in the U.S. (Aside from food).
but who are they to make an opinion on who should be our president?How many of them do you think are actually knowledgeable in American affairs? Instead of talking shit, about how I'm retarded ect. Why don't you make and actually educated statement on how it is valid that other countrys can make and informed statement, and not just br opinionated like most of the people who are in our country, who would rather watch American Idol then a debate...
To be fair, there are plenty of Americans who are a lot more ignorant about our politics and government. Don't assume just because you don't know anything about other countries that they know nothing of us. Our culture has been slowly spreading the entire world, and being mimicked by some, ever since the Revolution. They pay close attention to America, because we are the leading nation in the world in many ways. Considering Foriegn Policy was a big issue this election, most of the world hating Bush (not paying dues to the United Nations, Kyoto Protocol which pretty much everyone else has signed besides us, unpopular war, etc.), electing someone who's on the opposite political spectrum is bound to be popular. The fact that he's ridiculously charismatic doesn't hurt either.
not to mention my main issue is where did these numbers come from?
If you look at the bottom of the poll it says "guardian polls" quick google search brings up
Guardian.co.uk. Appears pretty legit.
I also had a huge problem with the "sample" ballot, it was a ballot already filled out showing you how to vote completely Democratic! I don't think that is very cool.
It also has an option to vote completely Republican. I agree it is however pretty stupid.
Out of curiosity, why haven't we agreed to the Kyoto Protocol? Is the rest of the world wrong or are we just being stubborn assholes?
majoras_wrath wrote:You would be floored if you knew that a vast majority of people from other countries know a hell of a lot more than your average american. (in terms of what's going on within america and stuff)
I don't doubt you, but to be fair, he's also awestruck every time he turns on a light switch.
Also, I got this in my reputation inbox in response to my post about his ignorance of foreign policy.
Pryme8 wrote:cut... your mental dificiences are not on topic
Simply stunning.
AlexMax wrote:I don't doubt you, but to be fair, he's also awestruck every time he turns on a light switch.Also, I got this in my reputation inbox in response to my post about his ignorance of foreign policy.
Pryme8 wrote:cut... your mental dificiences are not on topic
Simply stunning.
Almost as clever as when he said I looked like a jew in response to something else he didn't like/claims to not care about. I didn't think a product of southern incest even knew what a jew was let alone what one looks like. Fooled me I guess.
By this same idiotic token, Pryme8, you're saying that we shouldn't care about foreign leaders, which is utterly ridiculous. Good God, man... of course foreign countries care about who the leader of the free world is -it affects them. Shoot, we cared about who the leader of Iraq was, so much so that we ended up invading in order to remove him from power.