rock_nog wrote:Frankly, I just don't know how anyone can say "Gee, I don't need Mario Kart or Smash Bros." Okay, there are other versions, I suppose, but the Wii finally lends net support to both. Besides, my other all-time favorite version of Mario Kart is 64, but I only own it via virtual console anyway. I do have the original Smash Bros., and there is Melee, but I don't have Melee, and the original just doesn't cut it these days.
Cause we aren't all ubber fanboys? I can live without playing the latest Nintendo games. There are better games.
MottZilla wrote:There are better games.
😃 And there are worse games.
MottZilla wrote:Cause we aren't all ubber fanboys? I can live without playing the latest Nintendo games. There are better games.
I'd really have to agree with you there, everything Nintendo has thrown at us recently has been nothing but a disappointment. The last game I would honestly call "Good" that we got from them was SPM. Metroid Prime 3 was okay, but I thought it deviated too much from the old exploring concept of Metroid to become more like an FPS. I really could have just saved my money on them.
MottZilla wrote:Cause we aren't all ubber fanboys? I can live without playing the latest Nintendo games. There are better games.
I was being a bit facetious there. But really - I mean, if you happen to like the style of play of Mario Kart, it's not like there are any major competitors out there.
But what if you DON'T like the playstyle of Mario Kart?
Touche. Okay, ya got me there.
Anyone who doesn't like Mario Kart not only sucks, but is also a faggot.
Anyone who calls people immature names in place of building constructive comments not only sucks, but is also...
Wait. Why does this sound so familiar? What year is it? Am I reading AGN or GameFAQs? I can't tell anymore.
You're easily bullied. :|
rock_nog wrote:I was being a bit facetious there. But really - I mean, if you happen to like the style of play of Mario Kart, it's not like there are any major competitors out there.
Major competition, I'm not sure, but there are alternative games that have the Mario Kart battle/race gameplay. For example Full Auto on Xbox 360 and PS3 I thought was pretty cool. Racing with actual cars equipped with machine guns, bombs, missiles, etc. Honestly if I want to play Mario Kart, or Star Fox, or Metroid, I don't need to buy the latest Nintendo platform. I've got a perfectly good Super Famicom, and plenty of other things to play those games.
Well, yes, you could play Super Mario Kart instead of Mario Kart Wii. But then you could also play Doom instead of Halo for that matter.
I'd rather play Doom instead of Halo.
I'm gonna have to second that, I'd much rather play Doom than Halo. But you know what I'd rather play Gears of War than any of the games anyone is going to mention. My point is that Nintendo ran out the clock on their franchises. I mean I love Metroid, Kid Icarus, Mario, Zelda, etc but I love what they used to be more than how they are whored out now anyway. The GameCube is really what did it for me. Paid something like 200$ for that system and while there were some great games for it (F-Zero GX, Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 1's Remake... ) it just wasn't enough. I mean, it's not that I think the new versions are bad games, it's just that they aren't very interesting games anymore. And about "now you can play them online!", well sorry to burst your bubble but thanks to emulation we've been able to play these games online for a long time now anyway.
...which is why I'm glad it looks like 3rd party is finally getting their act together.
I mean, have you seen de Blob?
Or what about Z&W, or No More Heroes? You cannot argue that NMH would have controlled the same with a regular controller.
The Nintendo franchises may be getting a bit stale, but other developers seem like they're finally done releasing mini-game collection after mini-game collection, shovelware after shovelware.
Not so much that the old franchises have gotten stale as it is a development team that's so focused on making things "New And Exciting" that they remove everything that made the old franchises so awesome in the first place to replace it with experimental crap that hardly ever works out properly, at least not to the extent that the old formulas did. Nintendo spent so much time in their R&D department thinking "How can we get new people into gaming?" that they forgot what makes a game worth getting into.
MottZilla wrote:The GameCube is really what did it for me. Paid something like 200$ for that system and while there were some great games for it (F-Zero GX, Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil 1's Remake... ) it just wasn't enough. I mean, it's not that I think the new versions are bad games, it's just that they aren't very interesting games anymore. And about "now you can play them online!", well sorry to burst your bubble but thanks to emulation we've been able to play these games online for a long time now anyway.
I have more games for the Gamecube than any other console. I think I have around 30 in all, and they're all great games. Am I in the minority?
I haven't played the new Mario Kart for Wii, but all of Nintendo's other big games have been really great imo. (even Twilight Princess, which I have a better appreciation for now that I've played it again) I am curious what's coming next though. I can't imagine what they'll do to change things up, but they have surprised me before.
Yes you are in the minority. I probably have as many Xbox 360 games or more now than I did at the end of the GameCube. And we still have some years left on the 360.
Didn't we already do this?
Anyway, my opinion is still the same. Nintendo's gone mainstream, Sony's gone off the deep end, and as things stand the next system I purchase will probably have been made by Microsoft.
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If your a minority I am too. I mean SSBM, I know I have at least three Maddens for the Gamecube (PS2 just didn't have 4player, the Xbox didn't have the controller), Mario Sunshine (different experience but was still good), Mario Kart, Skies of Arcadia (which most of you all missed out on), Tales of Symphonia, RE4 AND RE0, (yes 0 sucked after 4, but it was good BEFORE THEN), Metroid Prime 1&2, MONKEY BALL , Luigi's Mansion (was a good first experience), Eternal Darkness, Timesplitters 2, F-Zero, Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door, Beyond Good and Evil, Pikmin, The Viewtiful Joes, Mario Golf, and Animal Crossing.
If you didn't like the Cube you didn't try. Talking about ports to Nintendo consoles, some of those were either shared, or ported to other consoles. Besides the games that have been made on other consoles, Nintendo still had some part in making them. Most of the people who make games now got their ideas from playing Nintendo when they were younger.
If there are crappy games that are released on the Wii you can't blame Nintendo. Sure they sign off on them, but it's probably because everyone said there wasn't enough choices on the Cube, so now they give them more and alot of them aren't enjoyed by gamers like you. Some kids play, some old people play, some casuall people play, and alot of Hardcore Gamers play. you have to understand while there aren't as many in each of those groups as there are hardcore gamers, added together they make a large percentage. They enjoy those games.
Alot of the games you mentioned were available on other systems too. While there were some superb exclusives on GameCube (primarily F-Zero GX for me) it didn't hold much more than a small niche.
As far as the Wii goes it looks like it should do better than the GC did, but once again it will not be the center of attention. You have to remember that generally consoles are judged on how they do overall in their time frame, or atleast I tend to see it that way. The NES and the SNES were definitely on top in their arenas though I will say Genesis did well too. But after that, while the N64 certainly had a big following the next two generations were dominated by the Playstation. Remember we expect big things from Nintendo being that they were the unstoppable juggernaut back in the day. So with Wii they carved out a profitable niche but that's not what us older gamers are looking for really. But you know we won't really know the story till it's history anyway.
I also should add that I do want to have the Nintendo Wii again (I sold mine) sometime but the primary reason I don't go get one is ofcourse supply issues but also price. I'm not going to spend $250 on the Wii when I know how badly that price is fucking you. I won't overpay for technology. The Wii isn't worth its price, even if you want to argue actual costs, when a Xbox 360 costs $200 and the Wii costs $250 that is plain as day to see you are getting ripped.
Where are you getting a 360 for $200?
http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Core-Arcade-Bundle/dp/B000WENLBY/ref=pd_bbs_5?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1221899314&sr=8-5
The Arcade bundle is only $200. You have to use memory cards to save games and such, but it's a good deal nonetheless...
Ya that is a pretty good deal.. I feel jipped.
Kicking it back to SMG, I would just like to chime in that I'm sure SMG was a great game, but I couldn't get into it because for some reason it made me sick to my stomach and dizzy, something that hasn't been a problem in a game before, nor since.
Honestly if you have the idea in your head that Nintendo should be "winning" the console war you need to shift your opinion of "winning".
Nintendo's stated goal is to not target the audience of Microsoft and Sony because an arms race with either/both companies would be stupid. Nintendo would be bankrupt if they had losses that would just make the others' investors nervous.
So Nintendo is going to lose by sales this time. Maybe not last place, since the PS3 is having a quality games issue, but they're definitely not going to sell as many systems and games as Microsoft. However, their cost/unit is far less than the competition, their price is lower, they have at least five major franchises that are always guaranteed sellers, the news loves to report on "crazy" Wii games, and right now at least half of their library is virtual with almost no cost to Nintendo. They're making money hand over fist. Nintendo's not going to make as much money as Microsoft; there's no way. But I'd be willing to bet if you look at the cost vs. profit ratio, Nintendo is laughing all the way to the bank. They may not win by sales or popularity, but right now their shareholders are very happy people.
Honestly what Nintendo's doing right now isn't much different than what Sony did with the PSX and PS2. Sony pushed video games onto demographics that used to shun and ridicule people who played video games. They noticed these people were highly competitive and tailored games that exploited this nature (also sports and violence.) This completely changed the market of what makes a "good" game, and tilted the industry in a direction I don't like (Final Fantasy was ruined by Sony IMO.) Now Nintendo's doing the same thing: they found a demographic previously uninterested in video games and produced a system tailored to appeal to this demographic.
Do I feel betrayed? Yes. Do I think Nintendo's going to decide this is wrong and come back to gamers like me? No, for the same reason Apple's never going to revert to that high-quality "other" computer maker: once your shareholders see what "thinking different" costs, you're going to start "thinking the same" or get replaced pretty fast.
AtmaWeapon wrote:Maybe not last place, since the PS3 is having a quality games issue, but they're definitely not going to sell as many systems and games as Microsoft.
Just a quick correction, Nintendo has already sold more systems than Microsoft. So in that sense they are "winning" this console generation. Though if you're looking at it in terms of winning, then you're looking at it the wrong way.
To clarify what I mean, Nintendo will never "win" in my eyes unless they put out a worthy successor to the SNES. That means cutting edge design and hardware. But as it has been pointed out, Nintendo isn't ever going to do that. That's why my primary console is the Xbox 360 which currently is the best deal of technology and design versus cost.
Yeah, this console race is kinda weird.
XBOX and PS3 are running around the track, trying to beat each other to the finish line and get the prize money (and the XBOX is winning).
However, the Wii is also winning, but not by running the track. No, it's too busy walking around the stands selling snacks, and also making a lot of money.
:P Analogy work for you?
Wait, Nintendo will never make as much money as Microsoft?
If you mean Microsoft as a whole, then definitely. But accounting for just the Xbox Microsoft has barely made any money off of it at all. (Last I checked, Microsoft has only made losses off of the Xbox since day 1, but I don't keep exactly up to date with it so that may not be true anymore, but I'm highly certain they aren't getting rich off of it.)
Microsoft isn't selling the 360 to make money directly off of the 360, they're selling the 360 as an attempt to take over the gaming market to further seal consumer dependence on the Windows platform. If Microsoft had its way, game consoles wouldn't exist, and the Windows PC would be the only serious gaming platform. MS would much rather throw money in the toilet than allow a competitor any chance of success (As Nintendo and Sony directly compete with Microsoft whether the 360 is placed in as a factor or not, since Microsoft controls the PC gaming market), especially if that competitor has a serious chance of loosening (or completely dislodging) Microsoft's grip on the OS market.
Nintendo is in a unique position in the "console wars" because they're the only major first-party developer who is entirely dependent on the video game industry. Microsoft and Sony could jump ship and be able to still exist pretty well off of their other divisions. But Nintendo can't. If they lose in the video game market, they lose everything.
That said, Nintendo's one goal is to make money off of the video game market. Not to provide the ideal platform for third-party games, not to please a small crowd of fanboys, but to make money. Which they seem to be doing a pretty good job at so far.
Microsoft is in the business of making money just like Sony and Nintendo. The thing is they all have different strategies to achieve their goal. Nintendo don't want to risk the capital on any decent technology. But Sony and MS are going for much more than just the video game area as both systems are meant as funny enough, Entertainment Systems.
But you know we all know this already.