http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/39210/117/
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Sept 10th is when they start doing some tests. I can understand being afraid... but threatening to kill those people doing the research?
Could it really make a black hole?
Large Hadron Collider scientists receiving death threats
Of course they can. The question is: is it dangerous? Absolutly not. Artificial black holes are predicted to be amazingly small, and last for a few microseconds before fizzling out. The energy to make an actual, sustained, large black hole is wayyyyyyy beyond any amount we could ever hope to achieve. Maybe if we blew up the sun or something.
If it were realistically possible to create a black hole that could endanger life on Earth, I suppose the protesters could argue that the scientists started the death threats, and they're only responding. As it is, it's absurd - we just can't generate that kind of power. Moreover, the kinds of high-energy collisions that will be investigated in the LHC occur in the upper atmosphere all the time - if a high-energy collision could create a stable black hole, we wouldn't be here to worry about whether or not the LHC will end the world.
Honestly, I don't care how miniscule the odds are of a black hole forming.
It worries me. I mean... possible planetary annahilation? 😞 Scary thought.
BUT! I will admit that I was a bit misinformed. If they are using less power than the natural collisions that are already happening, than I guess it's safe.
...But man...I am crossing my ifngers that I wake up on the 11th...
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oh noooo! Sonic chronicles is coming out at the END of september! 😮 if this goes sour, I won't have a chance to play it!!!
...Dammit, I wish I had never heard of this hadron collider. Then I wouldn't be so damn worried.
waaaait...you don't think that this has something to do with saint dane, do you? (Cookie if you get the reference!)
*gasp* Aegix, you're right! This is how he plans to push Second Earth over the edge!
Guys, it's not that big of a deal. These things happed on their own in nature. But the moment scientists try to imitate it, everybody freaks out and yells, "Black holes will form!" Even if one does form, chances are it will be so small that it will evaporate due to Hawking Radiation before it engulfs anything.
Amaster42 wrote:*gasp* Aegix, you're right! This is how he plans to push Second Earth over the edge!
Reference gotten. Dispensing cookie.
I LOVE that freaking series. I'm only on the second book, but DAMN, I can't put it down.
Ahem...*ONTOPIC* Well, even IF they are getting death threats, they're pretty safe. I mean they're underground somewhere in France. No one can really find them and kill them. ...unless of course, their device makes a microsized black hole, and then sucks them up before vanishing.
...oh gosh...that would be ironic... They make a black hole, and they are the only ones to die because of it.
Hmm... We need Beldaran in here screaming about how this is just another sign of the anti-intellectualism that's rampant in America caused by religion constantly shoving crap down our throats about how scientists always lie and cannot be trusted.
Okay, so that might have been an exaggeration, but certainly, people do seem to be awfully anti-science in this country.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/09/08/lhc.collider/index.html
More specifics on the whole thing...
The whole "end of the world" thing is blown out of proportion, namely for the fear of "black holes" and the perception that common people have about them. In fact, did we discover any black holes out in space so far? No, not yet, but there are assumptions, and possible findings. Do black holes even exist? Well, we might find out on the tenth, so you might as well wait with the rest of us.
Another thing about black holes is that they may have another end--white holes. Whereas black holes act as a powerful vacuum, white holes expel possible matter and light out of it.
If they in fact have a black hole, it is only going to do much of nothing. It'll be too small to sustain itself, and only last a very small fraction of a second. If they want to do something with it, they should try sending this out, since it would be a way to get information about us to other extraterrestrials with similar or more advanced technology out somewhere very far away, or in another dimension, or even another universe.
But otherwise, don't go to the hardware store and get your crowbars...yet. :tongue:
I wish they were starting it on September 11th instead of September 10th. That way if anything goes wrong we can consolidate our tragedies.
Actually I hope it goes well but I forget what we're supposed to be doing with this thing anyway.
*singing*
Hadron Collider
we do what we must, because we can
for the good of all of us
except the ones who will die
but you can't keep crying over every mistake
you just keep on trying, you will do what it takes
and a black hole gets made
and you call it a day
for the people who are
still alive.
And, now that religion's been mentioned: http://xkcd.com/459/
(sorta slightly relevant)
My view:
It's a fucking particle accelerator, people might as well get their panties in a twist over the sun colliding hydrogen to make helium.
Amaster42 wrote:*singing*
Hadron Collider
we do what we must, because we can
for the good of all of us
except the ones who will die
but you can't keep crying over every mistake
you just keep on trying, you will do what it takes
and a black hole gets made
and you call it a day
for the people who are
still alive.
Oh my gosh...I just figured it out. THE HADRON COLLIDER IS A LIE! 😮
TIRED INTERNET CATCHPHRASE!
I'm actually excited about this accelorater. I read in "The Elegant Universe" about the kinds of cool physics discoveries this could enable.
I personally can't wait for them to start it up. I want to see what this thing can do. And I want to see how the woried people react to it. 😃
Stephen Hawking speaks about the LHC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7598000/7598686.stm
He has a 100$ bet going on that he's wrong? ...Well, we'll find out tomorrow I guess.
:P In the unlikely event this goes south, nice knowing ya'll.
/me dives into his bunker.
Aegix Drakan wrote:He has a 100$ bet going on that he's wrong? ...Well, we'll find out tomorrow I guess.:P In the unlikely event this goes south, nice knowing ya'll.
/me dives into his bunker.
Umm.. isn't it just going to be a test tommorow? I mean, a system check, with the intent of determining whether it works?
I love Stephen Hawking! He's so rad.
Stephen Hawking always bets against himself, to ensure that it's a win-win situation. Really, it's a very enlightened way to look at things. If he's right, sure he loses $100, but come on, what's $100 to unlocking one of the mysteries of the universe. And if he's wrong, well sure, science is set back, but at least he gets $100.
EDIT: Oh, and while we're on the subject...
"Ode to the LHC"
O! Prometheus of mass,
We come to unchain thee
Not with key, nor torch, nor saw
But a circus of relativity.
Hadrons colliding,
A sudden stable stranglet
devours us all."
Taken from "Questionable Content."
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1128
Aegix Drakan wrote:/me dives into his bunker.
I just want to see the look on your face when the walls of your bunker are sucked into the black hole. 😃
Did they have to get special legal premission to conduct this experiment?
Wouldn't they have to ask other countries not just the country their doing it in?
No, they would not have to "ask the whole world" (whatever that means).
For those of you who aren't even willing to read the abstract, basically it says that the LHC presents no real danger.
Edit: Actually, this is a pretty interesting/good read. You might consider going through the whole thing or certain parts.
Two things the chance of finding God has a 10 to the -20% chance of happening, stable black hole that consumes the earth has a 10 to the -25% chance.
Also, I think we need to be paying more attention to the Large HARDON Supercollider.
By the way, they turned it on already, and so far everything is working well. They haven't collided anything yet, and I don't think they plan to for quite some time. Right now they're just making sure the beam can go around counter-clockwise... then they'll see if it can go around clockwise. So I think there's going to be plenty of testing before anything happens.
Also, LMAO at the ignorance of youtube comments on any LHC-related video.
Well, it worked perfectly. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080910/ap_on_sc/big_bang
Edit: Look at the new Google logo:
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Makes one wonder if that is a result of your dyslexia or just a dirty mind...
To say something actually on topic, I once read a science fiction book involving the LHC, I think. The resulting experiment conked everyone in the world out for like two minutes and sent their consciousness forward like ten years... pretty cool.