Anyone else... underwhelmed?

I think alot of people feel that way about Nintendo's showing so far. I don't think even Nintendo fanboys can be that happy with it.

Atleast M$ and Sony had some stuff to show off.

MS kind of stole the show compared to Sony; Sony had a lot of neat stuff to show but was sparse on release dates and playable stuff. It's kind of hard for it to be the year of the PS3 when they didn't really announce when most of that stuff was coming out.

It's interesting that Sony execs are still claiming that the Wii is expensive and will fall to the PS3's superior price point.

I don't really blame them, it's just that they've basically run out of ammo for the moment - pretty much all of their major franchises have seen a Wii release recently. Granted, some would argue that's Nintendo's fault for relying too heavily on franchises, and they might have a point.

Well, I will admit, I'm shocked by the lack of Kid Icarus - considering Nintendo's current lack of major bombs to drop, I'd think they'd want to throw that in there, but other than that, I honestly just wasn't expecting much this year - you know, it just wasn't one of those years where you were like "We haven't seen a new Zelda title in a while," or "It's about time they announced the new Mario game."

I was underwhelmed by Nintendo because I didn't really see anything that got me excited, which is the whole point of E3. I mean the new controller add-on is pretty sweet, but aside from the new Sports, I dunno what they're going to do with it.

But I'm also rather dissapointed in Microsoft's conference. I mean, the first half was "Here are the new games in which you shoot your way through armies of robots/henchmen among drab, gray, 'realistic' levels", and the latter half was basicly "heres how we're going to rip of Nintendo and Sony"

EDIT: Okay, after reading IGN's interview excerpts with Miyamoto, I'm significantly more excited for Nintendo. It seems like they think that the press conference was for the more mainstream media, and so they have all the "family friendly" stuff, and then Miyamoto drops veiled hints about new Zelda and Mario games for both Wii and DS, and a few nods to Pikmin and Kid Icarus for the more traditional fans.

I think this happened last year too. Nintendo kind of forgot how to put on a really kick-ass keynote I think. I am hoping we'll see more from them later in the week, but who knows.

I think Microsoft definately stole the show with the FFXIII announcement alone. But overall they had the most interesting announcements I thought. Almost all of Sony's were "Look! __insert obvious sequel to popular PS3 game__". I mean, was anyone surprised by Resistance 2, another Ratchet and Clank, or God of War 3?

I thought the new Animal Crossing looked pretty cool. I never have played Animal Crossing, but I think I might start with the Wii version. Other than that everything else looked kind of crappy, I would agree. New Wii sports is not something I would spend my money on, and the Wii music looks like a travesty. I grew up in a family where everyone played an instrument, so that kind of racket and fake playing looks horrible to me.

Zelda. Kid Icarus.

We're good. So we haven't seen screens or a trailer, but both are obviously in development. Like I said before, E for All Expo.

Haven't had the chance to watch any coverage; maybe I'll catch part of it being re-ran. (though, it seems like I really didn't miss anything :shrug: )

Amaster42 wrote:
But I'm also rather dissapointed in Microsoft's conference. I mean, the first half was "Here are the new games in which you shoot your way through armies of robots/henchmen among drab, gray, 'realistic' levels", and the latter half was basicly "heres how we're going to rip of Nintendo and Sony"

I'm guessing you must have watched a completely different conference or you are a fanboy of some kind. M$ had alot more to say than what you said. And clearly you haven't played or seen the games by generalizing they are all gray and drab. And your fanboyism or just hatred of M$ is reinforced by saying they "rip off" Nintendo and Sony. It's funny you act as though Nintendo has any good ideas to rip off.

Yes, of course, I'm a Nintendo fanboy. That's why I think their Press Conference sucked as well. Well, geez, I must just be in love with them than, musn't I?

As for the drab comment, I do apologize for letting Fable 2 slip my mind. It does in fact look frickin' awesome.
But Fallout 3? Or Gears of War 2? The former seems to be like exploring a construction zone, which I find sooo much fun, and the latter, with a few exceptions (yes, I acknowledge the few) seems to be contstructed entirely of sheet metal and trash, or else sets you into a post-apocolyptic city, which, yes I'll say it, looks drab! The last time I checked, the real world wasn't entirely a kind of a greenish brownish grayish mechk.

And if you think Avatars arn't a rip-off of Miis, or Lips isn't a rip off of SingStar, then you must be honest to goodness blind.

And now, to show how evenhanded I'm trying to be, I'll also say that Nintendo seems to have missed much of the point of E3. Yes we get it, your family friendly, your casual oriented, we've known all of that for a few years now. Now show us some cool stuff!

Oh man, they're just versions of Twilight Princess, which was constructed of wood and stone, in the future!

People have been looking forward to Fallout 3 since the 90s I think. It's holy and exempt from complaint by the same rules that let Nintendo try experimental Zelda games and still sell a million copies. Not liking a game doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad game. Starcraft 2 looks like the same kind of gameplay I find relentlessly punishing and boring, but I acknowledge the fact that Blizzard makes exceptionally good games and some people would rather play Starcraft than masturbate. Fallout's in the same category, so is Gears of War.

I want nothing more than to return to the days when it was Nintendo vs. Sega but MS mopped the floor with Nintendo at the conference. Whether they want to believe it or not, the E3 keynote is one of the things used by the public to judge how strong a company's plans for the year are. Last year was one of Nintendo's most successful years, and I seem to remember many people felt that they won E3 last year; wasn't that when they announced a new Mario, Smash Bros., and Mario Kart, along with a ton of cool DS stuff?. This year's keynote revealed 1 low-volume franchise game, 1 game that a bunch of junior high students will rent, 1 casual game that will sell a lot but generate no buzz (and with its peripheral pushes the cost of controllers even higher), and honestly it leaves me with nothing to shoot back at the, "Ha ha your system is for kids and doesn't have good games" crowd. They said a lot of stuff that will make their investors get a boner, but it's all stuff they already told the stockholders in meetings; I'm an investor in Nintendo too and this conference is convincing me that devoting my attention to Microsoft this year might provide me more entertainment for my dollar.

Compare announcing a few casual games and 1 franchise sequel to announcing 1 sequel that's answering a decade of constant demand and 2 sequels to popular franchises, along with the ability to shorten load times by putting games on the system memory. They closed with the bombshell that what will likely be the highest-selling game of the year will not be exclusive to PS3 but also be sold on the 360. For Nintendo to even compare to MS, there would have had to have been a Kid Icarus on display, any two of the Mario/Zelda/Star Fox/Metroid franchises, a Wii hard drive, and the announcement that Street Fighter 4 is going to have a Wii version with a bundled fighting stick.

Microsoft won, man.

Well, yeah, I never said that they were just bad games. I just said that they didn't impress me, and so Mircrosoft's conference was a disapointment to me as well. Now, some information on Bioshock 2, that I would have eaten right up.

I just wish that Microsoft could have had something original, rather than three sequals, a series of rip-offs, and a port. And like I said, I didn't like Nintendo's conference either. WiiMusic is about all that was new.

I think Penny Arcade best summed it up.

I didn't get to watch the other two, but that comic sure as hell sums up Nintendo's presentation. I was sitting there, bored because I don't give a damn about how much money their making.
Then, when they actually showed the games, it was like this:
"I went through that whole damn speech just to see some dissapointing stuff?!" I was really expecting more than that.

Amaster42 wrote:Yes, of course, I'm a Nintendo fanboy. That's why I think their Press Conference sucked as well. Well, geez, I must just be in love with them than, musn't I?

You can still be a fanboy and be disappointed with Nintendo while still being bias against M$.

Amaster42 wrote:
As for the drab comment, I do apologize for letting Fable 2 slip my mind. It does in fact look frickin' awesome.
But Fallout 3? Or Gears of War 2? The former seems to be like exploring a construction zone, which I find sooo much fun, and the latter, with a few exceptions (yes, I acknowledge the few) seems to be contstructed entirely of sheet metal and trash, or else sets you into a post-apocolyptic city, which, yes I'll say it, looks drab! The last time I checked, the real world wasn't entirely a kind of a greenish brownish grayish mechk.

Oh you're right, Gears of War, a game on a planet ravaged by war, should have levels that look like Las Vegas, with big bright neon signs! Clearly you just don't get it and never played the game. All the levels do not look the same, they are not all gray and brown. If you're complaining about it being dark, again it's a game with a DARK THEME.

Amaster42 wrote:
And if you think Avatars arn't a rip-off of Miis, or Lips isn't a rip off of SingStar, then you must be honest to goodness blind.

You're totally right. That means that Halo is totally a rip off of Wolfenstien 3D or whatever the first FPS was. And Mega Man is totally a rip off of Super Mario Bros. Maybe you should rethink what a rip-off means. That implys something dishonest, like a bootleg. Miis weren't an original idea from the start, and neither was SingStar.

Reguardless of your opinion, thinking that Gears of War 2 is nothing shows foolishness as the original game sold millions and dominated Xbox Live. It is a big deal and one of if not the biggest game coming out in the last half of the year.

I am not a Microsoft Hater. Bioshock is in my opinion one of the best games ever made, and I think the 360 is possibly the best console on the market now. I may personally prefer the Wii, but the 360 certainly has the goods.

One of these is from Gears 2. One is from Fallout. Can you tell me from glancing at them which is which?

The second is GoW. Why do you ask?

*looks again* *shrugs*
Well, maybe I'm just not enough of a conniseur to see the difference, but I sure as hell couldn't have told.

Eh, I'm done with this argument. I'm going to start getting angry soon, and I'd rather not...

AtmaWeapon wrote:Microsoft won, man.

And that means... what?

I'm sorry, but I find it hilarious when people argue about who had a better E3 conference. I personally think it makes no difference at all. The only thing I care about is if *insert company here* has succeeded in explaining next year's lineup and pleasing their fan base with sufficient information to hold them over until the next major event, and I feel Nintendo hasn't done that. Yes, I'm an all-Nintendo guy, but I still think they could have had a better conference.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm just saying that no company can "win" or "lose" when it comes to delivering a conference. A company can just succeed or fail in hyping up everyone.

If Microsoft "won", then Nintendo is crying it's way to the bank. Meanwhile, Microsoft is shelling out a billion dollars to repair its broken console. It's a Pyrrhic victory at best, if you ask me.

I actually agree with Amaster a bit. Yes Gears of War is insanely popular, but so is Justin Timberlake, who, for the record, sucks. It doesn't say anything about quality. I'm sure Gears of War is fun, but I am so tired of post apocalyptic war ravaged landscapes. They have been beaten to death. Officially.

I actually refuse to buy on principle post-apocalyptic games. Dark visions of the future are how boring people pretend to be interesting by fantasizing about the end of civilization. I'm more interested in what game companies can create, not what they can fantasize about destroying. Oooh, a beautifully rendered world full of burnt garbage. How profound of you! You must be the deepest person ever.

It's true that Nintendo needs to come out with some sweet games. They are being very masturbatory with the constant flogging of the peripheral horse. We get it, you like to make interesting controllers. Now make some fucking games for me to use them with, please and thank you.

Microsoft did get a hype boost for the mere fact of holding their press release a day earlier than the other two.

But yeah there are a lot of sequels. But I think that's pretty much the norm now. Even in movies sequels are abundant. And it's not like Microsoft is the only one who deals in sequels and franchise expansions. Nintendo has been releasing new Mario games since the beginning and Sony has what 13 Final Fantasy games, plus like 2 or 3 tactics games. So really franchise expansion is nothing to cry about. You like something, it's only natural to want more of it.

MottZilla wrote:You're totally right. That means that Halo is totally a rip off of Wolfenstien 3D or whatever the first FPS was. And Mega Man is totally a rip off of Super Mario Bros. Maybe you should rethink what a rip-off means. That implys something dishonest, like a bootleg. Miis weren't an original idea from the start, and neither was SingStar.

The new 360 Avatars are a ripoff of Miis because it's purely a response to how popular Miis have become. As in, they are doing this only because Nintendo did it and it worked.

Not that I have any real *problem* with that, I don't care. But no sense in pretending like that isn't the truth.

I watched a video of the new 360 interface though - I'm not sure that I like it 😞 And what does this mean for the themes and gamerpics I've already purchased?

Warlock, just because someone does something similar does not mean it's a "rip-off". And you know you wouldn't appreciate it if you were the one that did all the work on their avatars and heard a bunch of people bitching at them that it was a rip-off. It implys dishonest conduct.

To the rest, you should know that "winning" the press conference is all about coming away with the most/best hype and outlook. No one is saying anything different.

MottZilla wrote:To the rest, you should know that "winning" the press conference is all about coming away with the most/best hype and outlook. No one is saying anything different.

I was pleased to hear rumors of a Dead Rising for the Wii, but I was hoping to hear of a Kid Icarus or something else really awesome for the classic Nintendo crowd.

Well Dead Rising Wii isn't a rumor, it's confirmed. Looks decent too.

What I heard latest is that Nintendo was saying they don't believe E3 is the place to show off their games for "core" gamers. It is possible they are waiting for something like TGS.

But definitely with E3 behind us, I see things pretty much the same as I did before. M$ has the most going for it, Sony is starting to get some traction, and Wii is still doing it's Wii thing. And that would be my order of interest, 360, PS3, Wii. I have a strong feeling I will pickup a PS3 before I pickup another Wii.

All of it really just said to me "Hey look, a bunch of games I'm not going to buy!"

I may get the new AC game when it comes out simply because I'm an addict to the series, but nothing else really jumps out and screams "PLAY ME". Therefore, everything else I really don't care about.

AtmaWeapon wrote:Sony I don't know; I didn't pay any attention to their offerings but from what I've read it seems like they're still struggling to get the PS3 the credit it actually deserves; it's hard to do that without games and release dates.

Just out of curiosity, in your mind why does the PS3 deserve credit?

Warlock, MS has already said that your themes will still work. I saw somewhere a mockup of what it might look like. As for gamerpics, remember that some older games used them in the game (Bomberman Live comes to mind), so this means that they will have to still be around (otherwise it would break those games).

Holy hell, Dead Rising for the Wii? That's freakin' sweet news.

I enjoyed watching Nintendo's keynote. Then again, I sold my Wii and it's a lot more worthwhile to watch when you know that the joke isn't on you.

rock_nog wrote:Holy hell, Dead Rising for the Wii? That's freakin' sweet news.

I own dead rising and I can't remember the last time I tried to play it. The controls were awkward as hell and the saving system was beyond atrocious. Also it was unreadable ass unless you were playing it on a monitor/high definition monitor.