McCain is the first republican that I'd ever consider voting for, not because I don't like republicans, but because all of their candidates while I've been alive I've disliked...
But I'd go with Obama. Of all the politicians, he seems the least...politiciany.
Now I know thats probably kinda an act, but the fact that he makes the effort...
Icey wrote:I think it's somewhat narrow to say "well, my life is fine, so I don't have a problem with this president". I mean, look at the quality of life for the average Iraqi citizen right now... you'll find it's far from great.I do, however, think that people blaming the president for the state of the economy is misguided. He really can't do that much by himself.
Hey, the president is responsible to me. If I'm living fine, then I really don't care.
The life of the average Iraqi has gone from hell to hell. Not much change. Besides, outside of that Triangle of Death or whatever they call it it's really not all too bad.
The only candidate that could make me actually make sure I'm registered to vote then go out and do it would be either Optimus Prime or Cobra Commander.
Why vote for the lesser of two evils? Cthulhu 2008!
Starkist wrote:Why vote for the lesser of two evils? Cthulhu 2008!
Funny, I don't consider Cthulhu to be a greater evil than Obama, Clinton, or maybe even McCain!
My concerns are for Israel. There is simply no way in this hell or the next that anyone can debate them down to peace. The beings on the other end of the sandy foreign end of the debate table won't rest until every last piece of Israel is in the hands of its enemies, and every last legal resident of that former country unfortunately and mysterious displaced. McCain doesn't take that debate stance.
Voted McCain. After watching countless speeches and debates on C-SPAN, on local channels, and in Government class, he just makes the most sense. As long as Clinton or Obama stay out of the White House, at least, I'll be happy; I probably would have been fine with Edwards. I really can't wait until the Democratic National Convention, though. It's going to be funny. 😊
But yeah, I can't actually vote either. A true mock election would be fun later on in the year.
Shit, I voted too early.
Shadowblazer '08! 😃
ShadowTiger wrote:My concerns are for Israel. There is simply no way in this hell or the next that anyone can debate them down to peace. The beings on the other end of the sandy foreign end of the debate table won't rest until every last piece of Israel is in the hands of its enemies, and every last legal resident of that former country unfortunately and mysterious displaced. McCain doesn't take that debate stance.
Man, fuck Israel. We're having tough enough time in two major conflicts right now as it is. We need to get out of the shit we're in and give the country a little TLC. That is, unless you have friends or family there, then I'm sorry for you.
You could always vote for This Guy!
Here's what bothers me about the Israel/Palestine situation. The average Israeli and the average Palestinian both want peace. However, the extremists on both sides keep convincing them that peace can only be obtained if the other side is completely obliterated. To make their point, they attack, and when that attack results in retaliation, they turn around and say "See, see! I told you! They'll just keep attacking us until every one of us is dead!"
rock_nog wrote:Here's what bothers me about the Israel/Palestine situation. The average Israeli and the average Palestinian both want peace. However, the extremists on both sides keep convincing them that peace can only be obtained if the other side is completely obliterated. To make their point, they attack, and when that attack results in retaliation, they turn around and say "See, see! I told you! They'll just keep attacking us until every one of us is dead!"
This is not quite true. Equivocation does not hold water in the Israel/Palestinian situation if you look at the facts. The terrorists in the Gaza Strip and West Bank are the mainstream. Hamas was democratically elected as the government of the Gaza Strip. They have vowed Israel's destruction. They target civilians. They daily fire rockets into populated places.
Israel, on the other hand, has never vowed total destruction of the Palestinians. They seem content to give them the Gaza Strip and West Bank, provided they can build a wall to keep the terrorists out. When they retaliate, they attack only terrorist or military installations. If Palestinian civilians are killed, the Knesset investigates and takes appropriate action against those who did it.
Now that Iran-backed Hezbollah has taken control of the Lebanese government, it creates an even more precarious situation for Israel. They are now beset by enemies on all sides, enemies whose founding charters demand the removal of the Jews from the land.
Whether or not our foreign policy should be directed toward assisting Israel is another matter. But these are the facts.
Like I said - the population is not represented by the extremists. The extremists have entirely different motives. The mainstream Palestinians have been convinced by extremist propaganda that they cannot live in peace unless Israel is destroyed. To them, they are fighting for their own security. The simple fact is, groups like Hamas just want power, and stirring up fear is a great way to gain power. Do you really, honestly believe that the Palestinian man-on-the-street gives a crap about that? No, they just want their families to be safe, and they have been convinced by groups like Hamas that killing Israelis is the only way to accomplish it.
McCain..only because Obama is the most liberal member of the Senate..McCain has been good on controlling wasteful spending and not much else in my opinion. Obama would be one of the least qualified Presidents in the history of the country..but hey if you talk like a populist and promise to tax the rich and to give out entitlements like candy then you will be supported by a large percentage of the population. 😊
Blisspath wrote:McCain..only because Obama is the most liberal member of the Senate..McCain has been good on controlling wasteful spending and not much else in my opinion. Obama would be one of the least qualified Presidents in the history of the country..but hey if you talk like a populist and promise to tax the rich and to give out entitlements like candy then you will be supported by a large percentage of the population. 😊
As the saying goes: If you rob Peter to pay Paul, you will always have the support of Paul.
And I don't mean Ron Paul. :waggle:
I'm no big McCain fan. But given a choice between him and Obama? No contest.
That's only because I haven't seen Shadowblazer on the official ballot. 😞