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Worst President Ever!

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So far, there have been 42 presidents of the United States. (43 if you count Grover Cleveland twice.) There have been some good ones and some bad ones, but which one was the absolute worst?

John Adams:
Imprisoned political opponents. His own Vice-President defeated him when he ran for reelection.

John Quincy Adams:
Remembered for a rather corrupt administration.

Andrew Jackson:
Sent the Cherokee on the Trail of Tears. Bypassed his confirmed cabinet with unofficial advisers. Used the power of the Federal Government to break the US Bank.

William Henry Harrison:
Died less than two months into office. (Maybe that makes him the best?)

James Buchanan:
Hoped that the slavery issue would just go away. Left the issue for his successor.

Abraham Lincoln:
Suspended habeas corpus during wartime. Launched a war against the southern states. Countermanded established case law with executive orders. Shot.

Andrew Johnson:
Only put on the ballot of 1964 to appeal to states on the edge of rebellion. Tried to forgive the southern states after the war. First president to be impeached.

Ulysses S. Grant:
Binged his way through the presidency. Died penniless.

Rutherford B. Hayes:
Stole the election of 1976 because of controversial electors from southern states. Ended Reconstruction as payback.

Chester Arthur:
Have you ever heard of him?

William McKinley:
Started a war of aggression against Spain based on faulty intelligence. Shot.

Woodrow Wilson:
Led the nation into war against countries that never overtly attacked us, breaking his campaign promise. Proclaimed a crusade to build democracy across the world.

Warren Harding:
Had the most corrupt cabinet until Nixon. Died in office while trying to get away from it all.

Herbert Hoover:
Failed to stop oncoming depression. Took the blame for it all.

Franklin Roosevelt:
Broke precedent and ran for a third term. Led nation into World War II. Turned the Federal Government into a safety net for all.

John F. Kennedy:
Sent troops to Vietnam in order to stop the spread of Communism. Attempted to overthrow the leader of Cuba in a top-secret military operation. Shot.

Lyndon Johnson:
Escalated the war in Vietnam. Expanded the welfare state. His own party abandoned him in 1968.

Richard Nixon:
Escalated fighting in Vietnam, but withdrew the troops. The most scandal-plagued administration in history. Resigned as impeachment articles were being drawn up. Pardoned.

Gerald Ford:
Pardoned President Nixon. Hung South Vietnam out to dry. Tripped.

Jimmy Carter:
Worst economy since the Depression. Oil crisis. Tried to talk to terrorists, got Marines killed and taken hostage.

Ronald Reagan:
Iran/Contra scandal. Expanded the military to counter Communism.

George Bush:
Broke campaign promise and raised taxes. Invaded Iraq but left Saddam Hussein in power, hanging the Kurds out to dry. Trounced in reelection campaign by two southerners.

Bill Clinton:
Administration plagued by scandals, most of them quite salacious. Spread troops around the globe to promote democracy but pulled out if the locals fought back. Pardoned a laundry list of criminals on his way out. Impeached.

George W. Bush:
Expansion of Federal Government powers relating to espionage and anti-terrorism. Launched Iraq War based on possibly faulty intelligence.

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I thought this would be an interesting thought experiment. I hear from many these days that our current president is the worst ever. I find this to be nonsense, for two reasons. One, those who say it probably cannot name more than five other presidents anyway, and are just caught up in the emotion of the moment. Second, historical perspective is always necessary to determine how a man affects history.

Also, I did not post all 42 presidents. However, notice that I ended up posting every president since 1960. This tells me that in the television era we are spectators to every foible, so much more than in the days of the newspaper.

So, looking at this list, who was the worst President of the United States?

Wow I can't imagine how this vote will go. But I guess it's possible someone here might hate someone just a bit more than what will be the most popular vote. Though I imagine most of the random votes will just be bullshit for the fuck of it.

I have to defend FDR and JFK here. You can't blame FDR for getting us into WWII, and he was dealt a pretty terrible situation. You're gonna blame him for any abuses of the system because he was trying to save it?

JFK's involvement in the Bay of Pigs was because of Eisenhower, he just inherited the situation. Granted he didn't really help it, but you can't blame him for starting it. As for the troops, he didn't get full US entry there did he?

Wasn't Harrison the guy who caught pneumonia after giving an extremely long inauguration speech on a cold, rainy day? Didn't he die from it something like a month after entering office?

If so, he gets my vote. Any president that manages to assassinate himself clearly sucks at the job.

Starkist wrote:I hear from many these days that our current president is the worst ever. I find this to be nonsense

The fact that George W. Bush is as bad as the worst presidents ever is bad enough for me to call him the worst.

There is a level of shittiness beyond which things don't need to be ranked. George W. Bush, and several other presidents, are in this category.

Also, you listed like 1/50 of his scandals and failures.

I'm surprised that more people don't vote for John Adams. That guy trampled all over the constitution and for no reason. Imprisoning those who don't agree with him and silencing anything against the United States. That guy was crazy.

Andrew Johnson:
Only put on the ballot of 1964 to appeal to states on the edge of rebellion. Tried to forgive the southern states after the war. First president to be impeached.

Slight typo here 😉

I'd say George W. Bush is the worst, but honestly he's the only president that I've liver under (while being politicly aware) so although I may find him the worst...
Maybe Nixon?

I don't know what to do with this kind of checkbox, every time I click it unselects the last one. I think it's a bug?

DarkDragoonX wrote:If so, he gets my vote. Any president that manages to assassinate himself clearly sucks at the job.

:laughing: That's just too funny.

:P Man, your personality goes so well with your avatar that it's incredible.

You know, it's an interesting point. In perspective, I'd say that Dubbya isn't the worst president of all time, but he's definitely in the top five in my books (the other four being Reagan, Nixon, Harding, and Jackson). Bush and Reagan get in because of sheer ineptitude, Nixon and Harding are in because of their corruption and tainting of the Oval Office, and Jackson because he's just one evil sonuvabitch. Partly it's the fact that I'm part Native American, but mostly, it's just that Jackson puts Bush's "cowboy diplomacy" to shame, in terms of his attitude that the solution to every problem involved a gun.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and Beldaran, yeah, he didn't even scratch the surface with Bush, but then again, didn't even scratch the surface with a lot of these guys.

I voted Jackson because of his support of Indian Removal, which primarily affected the civilized tribes in the southern US:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_civilized_tribes

At the time there were those within the US who argued that the American Indians ought to be allowed near equal status provided they adapted their societies to be more compatible with white western society, these five civilized groups successfully adopted many parts of American society and could rightly have been able to assert their equality, the Cherokee even appealed to the Supreme Court and won the decision that stated Georgia had no right to impose its laws on Cherokee territory. Instead, this lead to Jackson to begin legislation and a one sided treaty that lead to the forced removal of these tribes and this culminated in the trail of tears.

I've always despised Jackson because of this, even by some contemporary ideals in his time, he took the monstrous side. It disappoints me that Democrats include Jackson alongside Jefferson as examples of esteemed presidents in their party's history.

Daarkseid wrote:Democrats include ... Jefferson as examples of esteemed presidents in their party's history.

If Thomas Jefferson is a democrat then Ron Paul is a communist. It's pretty insane to view Thomas Jefferson as an icon of what the modern democrats value. If you showed Thomas Jefferson the size of today's federal government, he'd shit his face.

Gotta be the corrupt Harding or Carter imho..also Lyndon Johnson's social programs have hurt this country immensely..my favs? Reagan, Jefferson, Teddy, and Jackson(he is from my state😊

Why the hell would a Libertarian list Reagan among his favs? I mean, the man contributed more to government spending than any other president since God-knows-when. And frankly, I'm just appalled that you'd list Jackson as a fav. I swear, the man is a complete disgrace of a human being.

rock_nog wrote:Why the hell would a Libertarian list Reagan among his favs? I mean, the man contributed more to government spending than any other president since God-knows-when. And frankly, I'm just appalled that you'd list Jackson as a fav. I swear, the man is a complete disgrace of a human being.

I liked Reagan. I'm also torn on Andrew Jackson. He did some horrible things, but he also did some awesome things.

I chose Reagan because...I really just hate him. Most political scientist claim that Harding was the worst president ever. I did a paper on this list that was made listing them best to worst, not on ideaology but on effectiveness.

I'm Canadian so I don't know much about your presidents.

But based on what I read I believe that Herbert Hoover was the worst because he failed to stop the depression. Which IMO is worse than 9/11.

It's actually a myth that President Hoover did nothing to prevent the Depression. He tried a lot of things, they just didn't work. President Roosevelt's ideas did not end the Depression either, though they helped. We can thank World War II for bringing us fully out of it. Nothing like a war to get a country moving.

Beldaran wrote:If Thomas Jefferson is a democrat then Ron Paul is a communist. It's pretty insane to view Thomas Jefferson as an icon of what the modern democrats value. If you showed Thomas Jefferson the size of today's federal government, he'd shit his face.

And Republicans claim Abraham Lincoln as their own, even though Republicans today hardly resemble Lincoln's party(except maybe wanting to suspend Habeas Corpus).

Jefferson did have some views in line with Democrats, in particular favoring the small farmer against the richer merchant and business class in early America. However yes, claiming him a Democrat is dubious from anything but a historical sense.

Starkist wrote: He tried a lot of things, they just didn't work. President Roosevelt's ideas did not end the Depression either, though they helped. We can thank World War II for bringing us fully out of it. Nothing like a war to get a country moving.

Part of what aggravated the depression was the fact we were an industrial nation that output way more product than could easily be sold, since we had expanded in the 1910s and 1920s to sell to Europeans who first used our products for war, then for post war reconstruction. Well it was around the late 1920s that demand for American goods dropped off as Europe was beginning to rebuild its industry.

At that time, most of the rest of the world was undeveloped and had little immediate need for machinary or steel.

Roosevelt's New Deal attempted to get industry start by creating artificial demand on some goods while subsidizing lagging industries. The effect was that business became profitable again and people were being employed again, but it was mostly artificial; it wasn't a real economic recovery and even attempts by Roosevelt later in the 1930s to scale back his new deal resulted in economic recession.

The second World War, however, revived legitimate demand of American goods, as well as the government spending large amounts of tax revenue on American munitions for the war effort. Once the war ended, our economy continued booming because of post war reconstruction in places badly affected by the war.

Our latest war is doing the opposite and helping the country into the shitter. Well I guess that's what happens when you start bullshit wars instead of real ones.

I voted for Jimmy Carter, if for no reason other than he's the only president who's managed to become even worse since leaving office.

MottZilla wrote:Our latest war is doing the opposite and helping the country into the shitter. Well I guess that's what happens when you start bullshit wars instead of real ones.

You know, I don't really want to start an argument, but your ignorance is annoying. To say what you said, you must have evidence that the slowing economy is a direct result of the continued war in Iraq. This may be hard to establish, considering the economy grew pretty well between 2003 and 2007. If the war is the reason for the current slowdown, does that mean the upswing of those years was also due to the war?

Starkist wrote:you must have evidence that the slowing economy is a direct result of the continued war in Iraq.

We are paying billions of dollars for the war in Iraq. We don't actually have these billions of dollars. We borrow these billions of dollars from China, a communist dictatorship. Also, we print lots of money. The value of the dollar plummets since we are a) printing dollars and b) flooding markets with dollars that don't exist normally in the American economy because we are borrowing them from an enemy who thinks it's fun to watch us splash around like jack asses.

The demand for oil is rising and the value of the dollar is dropping, so gas prices in the united states become astronomically expensive. By proxy, abso-fucking-lutely everything else becomes really expensive. Airlines file bankruptcy. Food prices rise. People spend less money on entertainment and travel.

Stupid purposeless war = worse economy.

I voted for Rutherford B. Hayes. Nothing is more annoying than the fiasco of 1877.

Otherwise I would have picked W. He really is just terrible on every level. I can't stand neo-conservative ideology.