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41 replies · 6,421 views · Started 05 February 2008

Pineconn 10 Feb 2008, 06:07

Holy blue kazoo, it's Beld! Hey, btw, your Helicopter Challenge record still stands after about 5 months.

Beldaran wrote:I am the ghost in the machine... :goofy:

Darn you, you made me silently boogie to myself. And taking that statement literally, actually, I'm fairly certain you're the person at 0:10 to 0:12. 😃

Dechipher 10 Feb 2008, 18:09

AlexMax wrote:Our health care system is broken. I'll be damned if I know how to fix it, but when insurance is so fucking expensive and so many people go without adequate medical care, you know something is wrong.

Also, about the Ron Paul invasion, he seems to have a large presence on the internet, mainly because he has a small group of ridiculously fanatical supporters who bring him up at every opportunity and try to get him top-rated on social networking sites. The problem is that he has no grasp of economics (evidenced by his support of the gold standard), and his former support base (before the whole internet thing) used to be crazy white supremacist militia groups, due to his views on conspiracies, minorities and homosexuals. Basically, he's an unelectable kook and his supporters are suckers. This article sums it up pretty nicely. Pay special attention to the comments section which basically consists of a thousand people sticking their fingers in their ears and saying "La La La, I can't hear you!"

I find it interesting that in an article full of "facts" about Ron Paul, there are various mistakes, some so simple that google could easily clarify, such as which branch of the military Paul was a surgeon for. I find it hard to take such an article seriously. Why should I believe what this article says when even the most simple facts are incorrect?

AlexMax 12 Feb 2008, 04:33

Lilith wrote:How can you take Paul seriously when even his most simple facts are incorrect? His website says, "nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman." That means that he's a OB-gyn, yet apparently has not heard of the relatively well-known ectopic pregnancy. What?

most ron paulsies don't realize that he voted against cutting funding to Darfur which is currently undergoing a genocide of epic proportions. also, he supports forced deportation of illegals, not giving a shit (and his supporters most likely not realizing) that forced deportation would very likely result killing a non-trivial number of them (tens of thousands) in the process

this plus the whole 'white trash' pre-1998 history of his fit together really nicely.

The Desperado 14 Feb 2008, 01:46

I work in politics and know people on both the Hiliary and Obama campaigns, so I have a pretty good insight into this. Clinton's health care plan sucks because it forces you to buy it, even if you can afford. No where in her plan does she try to get HMOs to lower costs so the average 9 to 5 working single mother can afford. Obama doesnt require you to get insurance, instead he wants to force HMOs to lower prices and not be able to deny coverage. The idea being, if people can afford it, they will buy it.

I want total universal health care, and neither of this plans is anywhere close. But the reason we need universal health care is because while working on a campaign this fall, I met a woman named Bridget. After talking to her for a while, she mentioned that she used to be a Republican. I asked why was she working on a Democrat campaign then. She told me that her 2 year old daughter was diagnosed with a rare type of cancer. Bridget worked her whole adult life and always had insurance through her employer. However, when her daughter got sick, her health insurance provider refused to pay for the only treatment that had been proven successful for this type of cancer. She called lawyers and filed appeals and begged for someone to help get this treatment for her daughter. She spent 5 months helplessly watching her daughter die. And Cigna, her HMO, posted record earnings for that quarter.

Privatized healthcare is fundamentally someone making money off of someone else dying. It disgusting. It's amazing how no one wants universal health care till its their family member who's being denied life saving care.

Breaker 15 Feb 2008, 17:38

I worked the most part of last year for a major insurance company. I denied pretty much 60-70% of the claims that I processed my entire time working there. Many policies are written in such medical jargon that most people don't even realize what they're covered for and what they're not. It's really hard explaining to somebody how the fine print of their policies denies them coverage for treatment they need. I wasn't in a position to really help any them either. It wasn't a very rewarding job.