Police Brutality at Sen. Kerry Event

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Due, this is going to get big. I mean really big. The media haven't really gotten into their groove yet, but when they do, it's gonna be a sight to see. I mean, this is the kind of thing that if your a modern newsperson you'd give your left leg to cover. Not only that the kid was taken, tackled and tasered, but that Kerry protested the entire thing, and the police kept going.

...Very interesting. I'm curious to know if the audience was applauding at when the police first began to arrest him (00:23) -- at the arrest or at his resistance?

And yes, it is a sad thing knowing that police/government officials think they can do anything they want. How disgusting.

http://www.starbanner.com/article/20070918/NEWS/70918007/1053/BREAKING_NEWS

The kid was playing it up as a publicity stunt, in front of the cameras. I hope he gets tasered again.

Maybe so, but that's what the first amendment is all about, is being able to speak your mind in that very situation.
I hope the cops get 5 years each.

Starkist wrote:http://www.starbanner.com/article/20070918/NEWS/70918007/1053/BREAKING_NEWS

The kid was playing it up as a publicity stunt, in front of the cameras. I hope he gets tasered again.

Yes, to hell with the constitution. People who are vocal about their opinions should be tortured by the government.

Do you think Jesus would advocate the government torturing people who are outspoken?

Grow up, Beldaran.

1. He was not tortured. The taser is a legitimate tool used by law enforcement to subdue people who are resisting, as the kid clearly was. Would you rather we go back to the days of billy club beatings?

2. Name me one Constitutional right that was violated in this situation. The First Amendment guarantees freedom of speech, but it does not guarantee freedom to interrupt organized gatherings such as the one in question, ignore the organizers and moderators, turn the event into a mockery and a show for the cameras, and finally to ignore police demands to leave. Every American is guaranteed the right to speak, but not the right to their own televised pedestal.

3. Since you do not believe in any God anyway, then I will not consider responding to any hypothetical questions about my own faith.

Beldaran wrote:
Do you think Jesus would advocate the government torturing people who are outspoken?

I'm sure fundie Jesus would, yeah.

Beldaran wrote:Do you think Jesus would advocate the government torturing people who are outspoken?

Bel please don't turn this into a religious debate seeing as how the topic is about police abusing their power.

Starkist, have you ever been tasered? Just curious.

This taser was used in Drive Mode (without the dart). Drive mode has no muscle incapacitating effects. The entire purpose of the drive mode, in which the prongs are just touched to the skin, is to force coercion through sheer physical pain. Torture.

Starkist wrote:Grow up, Beldaran.

1. He was not tortured. The taser is a legitimate tool used by law enforcement to subdue people who are resisting, as the kid clearly was. Would you rather we go back to the days of billy club beatings?

2. Name me one Constitutional right that was violated in this situation. The First Amendment guarantees freedom of speech, but it does not guarantee freedom to interrupt organized gatherings such as the one in question, ignore the organizers and moderators, turn the event into a mockery and a show for the cameras, and finally to ignore police demands to leave. Every American is guaranteed the right to speak, but not the right to their own televised pedestal.

3. Since you do not believe in any God anyway, then I will not consider responding to any hypothetical questions about my own faith.

I have to whole heartedly disagree with you on number two.
It is that VERY situation that the framers had in mind when they added the 1st amendment.
Otherwise we the people will NEVER have any say and those "organized gatherings" will be nothing but propaganda addresses to tell we the people what to think.
It's no secret that is exactly what the game is these worthless politicians like Kerry play, I'll talk but ask ONLY the questions I am willing to answer otherwise you are in violation of my personal right to blow smoke up your a.......

I hope someday it is legal to taser people who pray in public. Then maybe you will alter your evil and small minded politcal views.

Starkist wrote:
I will not consider responding to any hypothetical questions about my own faith.

Well, since you are an evangelical christian, you are probably not likely to question much of anything.

Starkist wrote:Grow up, Beldaran.

1. He was not tortured. The taser is a legitimate tool used by law enforcement to subdue people who are resisting, as the kid clearly was. Would you rather we go back to the days of billy club beatings?

It's actually considered excessive force and there's a lot of controversy surrounding its use in legal fields aka ~* my law office *~. It's SUPPOSED to be used as an alternative to a gun...so, unless you're going to SHOOT someone, you shouldn't use it.

I'm realizing more and more how much of an outrage this action was.

Each of those police officers was once a disgusting little baby born to a screaming mother, and it'd be so nice to be able to go back in time and drop those screaming lumps into a vat of molten iron.

I think we should have an anarchy. Then acts like this won't seem severe. 😃

And I can't add much more to this thread, because Freedom summed up exactly what I was going to say.

Personally, I'm a little split on the issue. On one side, the guy definitely shouldn't have resisted arrest. If you're being asked to put your hands behind your back by a police officer, the last thing you'd want to do is screaming and jumping around like an idiot.

But I also thought the taser was unnecessary. It shouldn't take five trained cops and several volts of electricity to take down one college student. If you watch the longer video, you can hear the taser go off at least three times.

And Kerry was saying he'd answer the questions. Not really sure what kinds of authority he has, but that should count for something, shouldn't it?

Resisting arrest shouldn't be a crime. Saying it should be is like advocating a surrender to a fascist entity. As soon as you agree that you should always obey the police, you're basically saying that it's okay for them to do whatever they like.

John Kerry really couldn't do anything in this situation even if he wanted to. Kerry and the cops are on totally different branches of government.

Glenn the Great wrote:Resisting arrest shouldn't be a crime.

Someone kills another person and tries to run from the police he better get charged with resisting arrest. If you committed a crime and you try to resist then it's your own fault. I didn't read the whole article but resisting arrest is not in your best interests.

A guy resists arrest and gets away. The cops chase him but lose him for whatever reason. He shouldn't be charged with the additional crime when he is caught?

edit: I watched the video and a few news clips about it. The police on campus that tased him weren't very smart taking the route they did. My thing is how many cops were there and they couldn't take him down without tasering him? I've seen one cop take a guy twice his size without using a taser or weapon.

After watching the video and I haven't seen said website they were talking about but if that's true then the guy is an idiot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg9qTD6Z7zE&NR=1

Tasers can be abused, yes, but imagine the possibilities for abuse with this thing:

http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/19/202227

A pain gun. It can cause immense pain in someone up to a half a mile away. Imagine every nerve ending on the surface of your skin being stimulated at once. And (this is the truly scary bit) it leaves no visible injury.

I don't trust my government with a "pain gun". :|

Great. I can't wait until pain guns get into the hands of criminals.

And running away from the police shouldn't be a crime. If they can't catch you, it's their own fault.

I saw the kid do nothing wrong. They had no reason to arrest him, and absolutely no fathomable reason to give him the taser. He asked a question, and Kerry even asked the cops to let him answer the kids question. As Yoshiman said, it took 5 trained cops and a taser gun to take down one college student? Obviously the cops weren't trained that well...

Oh, and Bill O'Reilly is a complete moron. Newscasters are supposed to be moderately unbiased in their reporting, which he obviously is not. I watch FoxNews because I like shows like America's Newsroom, Live Desk, and Studio B. I do not, however, watch Bill O'Reilly's show because of the immense faggotry involved in his style of newscasting. He's a dick, plain and simple.

I'm glad they tasered that loud mouth kid. Yep, he deserved that and more for making a mockery of the Q&A going on. BTW, I support Starkist on this.

*Waits for the backlash* 🙄

Rijuhn wrote:
*Waits for the backlash* 🙄

*Tasers Rihuhn* 🙄

Glenn the Great wrote:
Note that I said demons. For a long time I've held hate against law enforcement, and now it's been amplified greatly. Every last one of them can die like the abominable filthy piece of shit demon spawn they are. Crush. Burn. Sterilize. Destroy.

I'm realizing more and more how much of an outrage this action was.

Each of those police officers was once a disgusting little baby born to a screaming mother, and it'd be so nice to be able to go back in time and drop those screaming lumps into a vat of molten iron.

Well, "fuck the police" aside,
it sounds as if somebody needs to be taking their medication.

Let me compare this to someone running onto the field during a baseball game. Of course they will go after the guy even though everyone in the stands is cheering the guy. They will get him and take him down, even if it means damage to him. On Sunday I was at a game and they had to dive and tackle the guy to get him to stop. The guys that they have there are strong and many, so they don't need a taser. However, I don't know if they needed it or not at this event.

phattonez wrote:Let me compare this to someone running onto the field during a baseball game.

Let me point out that asking a question at a political forum is different than running onto the field at a baseball game.

wow those cops are real tough guys. like 5 or 6 cops surrounding the kid on the floor and they couldnt get cuffs on him? they just tasered him so he could shut up already, which is ofcourse not the intent for using a taser gun.

tasers guns have now become a way for lazy cops who dont want to roll up their sleeves and get a little dirty when apprehending an individual to cause extreme pain and leave no marks.

Beldaran wrote:Let me point out that asking a question at a political forum is different than running onto the field at a baseball game.

From what I've heard he was disrupting what was going on. Just have an open ear for the analogy.