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AtmaWeapon wrote:consider whether a stricter rule set that results in more banned users is a wise choice.

the new rules are going to be LESS strict. see the post above yours.
and i believe the statement was just that the rules were going to be ENFORCED. not necessarily that everyone was out of control.

I'm assuming that staff does not include me, for while I am a Shattered Earth Moderator, that is less of a rule-enforcing job and more of a "convenience in editting threads" job. If not, then if I may make a tiny request regarding one of the rules. Instead of a straight up "no advertisements" rule, I think it would be better to have "no signing up for the sake of advertisements" rule. It's pretty obvious when people just sign up to advertise, and those people don't care about the rules anyway. But I know that if I got something of mine put on iTunes and I told everyone here about it, it would be against the rules, which I think is kind of messed up. I'm obviously not here to advertise, but I dont' see anything wrong with members displaying their talents, regardless of whether it makes money or not.

that seems to be the general thought, dechipher, and you ARE staff. your input in the TOS thread in FS would be most appreciated. soon plz, as the new list is going up this afternoon/evening. danke 😊

cyberkitten wrote:the new rules are going to be LESS strict. see the post above yours.
and i believe the statement was just that the rules were going to be ENFORCED. not necessarily that everyone was out of control.

[QUOTE]I'm assuming that staff does not include me, for while I am a Shattered Earth Moderator, that is less of a rule-enforcing job and more of a "convenience in editting threads" job. If not, then if I may make a tiny request regarding one of the rules. Instead of a straight up "no advertisements" rule, I think it would be better to have "no signing up for the sake of advertisements" rule. It's pretty obvious when people just sign up to advertise, and those people don't care about the rules anyway. But I know that if I got something of mine put on iTunes and I told everyone here about it, it would be against the rules, which I think is kind of messed up. I'm obviously not here to advertise, but I dont' see anything wrong with members displaying their talents, regardless of whether it makes money or not.

Why would you want an advertisement forum? That's what sigs are for and we already have enough ads on the site.

Sorry if that was condisered Rent A Moding. I just checked my PM's.

Why would you want an advertisement forum? That's what sigs are for and we already have enough ads on the site.

spyk... just let the staff handle things hon 😊 Please and thank you 😊

If you have only one post, and that post is an advertisement, it's pretty clear you're spamming and should be permabanned, especially since a lot of these ads come from bots.

But advertisement by established members is a gray area, which has been evaluated on a case-by-case basis in the past.

I really think there's a difference between "advertising" and "showing your work".

Advertising is a commercial endeavor. When Decipher or I post music, it's just like showing our friends what we spend our time on. It's no different than if I drew a cool picture and posted it. It's just friends showing their friends the results of their hard work.

I'm sure staff would let us know if they thought we were crossing the line into commercialism.

I actually don't have access to FS, I'm not sure if that was intentional or not. I'd love to help out though.

AtmaWeapon wrote:

Also I couldn't figure out why I couldn't see any of Freedom's posts but then I remembered I put him on my ignore list long ago. I thought I was supposed to get some text that let me click to see what he said though?

Anyway I can't remember why I initially put him on there but it seems like it was an excellent idea!

AtmaWeapon,
Good eye, you realized instantly that you were one of the fossils I was referring to.
You think because you have been around here forever that everyone that has come after you has to meet with your approval, otherwise you do everything in your power to get them banned.
You put me on your ignore list for that very reason long long ago when I came here, because I wouldn't put up with your bullshit.
You might be "attached" to this board, but you sure do nothing to it's benefit. 😉

What are you talking about Freedom? Atmaweapon is an awesome member. I don't think any of the older members try and "get people banned".

Beldaran wrote:What are you talking about Freedom? Atmaweapon is an awesome member. I don't think any of the older members try and "get people banned".

I'll have to take your word for it, I don't share your fond memories. 😉
It makes no real difference to me either way, I'm here for the Zelda Classic, and seldom come up in these upper forums for the very reason I've stated, and since it seems to stay up here, and seldom migrates down there, then other than the loss of some new members it won't effect Zelda Classic all that much. 😉
So you guys can feel free to eat anybody you want. 😉
I'll get back out before I get you all in a tizzy and you lose sleep trying to think up new ways to get at "Freedom" 😉

spyk99999 wrote:Could'nt you get an admin to make an advertisemaent forum? Maybe where you haft to have 100 posts to post in?

Whoa whoa whoa whoa, THIS is considered rent-a-modding???!!!

The guy just made a freaking suggestion. He's a member here, and he wants to give you some input.

If anything needs to be looked at very closely, it is the definition of rent-a-modding. Currently it is interpreted as loosely as Britney Spears' cunt, and I should know, as I've been fucked over by that rule countless times when I never had any intention of trying to do a Moderator's job.

Hey if I quote Freedom I can see his posts.

I'll give you your comment about me feeling like people must meet my approval before continuing to post here. It is completely true, but you miss some details.

I was going to make a big post but I really already have in that stupid epic reputation system guide I made. It's not that the old members have consciously formed a clique at AGN, it's that we're the only people that through all the trials and downtimes and domain moves and other problems keep coming back. We are AGN, and in fact most of this clique are among the highest ranked staff members. This happens in any forum community, and this isn't the only forum that has the same kind of social structure.

So what I'm saying is when you join a forum and start pissing in the cornflakes of members who have join dates several years predating yours and postcounts that suggest their loss of virginity will not predate the heat death of the universe, you are going to get pretty unpopular pretty fast. Some people can deal with this and actually seem to enjoy the negative attention; I don't think Glenn would keep coming back if he wasn't a little bit of a sucker for pain. You too, Freedom, seem to enjoy getting the elder members riled up and against you and that's cool because at least you know where to quit before getting banned.

I really don't remember why I put you on my ignore list and I hate to post what I think it is because I am almost certain I'm getting you confused with Stray Cannon. I'm pretty sure it involved an argument where you were clearly in the minority that held your opinion and you chose to argue via inflammatory comments and I couldn't take it anymore though.

If it makes you feel better, I'm taking you back off because quoting your posts to see what you said is wasting too much time on your posts.

If I remember correctly, the last time Freedom ventured up here he was banned.

We don't try to get people banned, but we won't hold our tongue if we don't like someone.

FYI Glenn... his rent-a-modding problem was made about another post he made ... in another thread actually. It might be prudent if you make sure you know what you're talking about before you get your panties all in an uproar.

He just made his comment about his infraction in the post he was making.

phattonez wrote:If I remember correctly, the last time Freedom ventured up here he was banned.

We don't try to get people banned, but we won't hold our tongue if we don't like someone.

Yep, my one and only ban and it was for tearing into Breaker and he deserved it, and I'd do it all over again.
What do you mean by "WE"?

You did your BEST to antagonize ZeldaPro to the point he got himself banned, maybe he deserved it, and maybe it would have come anyway, but you helped drive him to it.
Who are you to make that decision?
So screw you if you don't like somebody, you don't speak for the rest of the members here, maybe they WANT some of those people to have a chance, before getting railroaded out.

Since I've been here longer than you, does that mean then I can antagonize you to the point that you finally blow up and say something that will get you banned?
Is that how that unwritten rule works?

AtmaWeapon wrote:

I really don't remember why I put you on my ignore list and I hate to post what I think it is because I am almost certain I'm getting you confused with Stray Cannon. I'm pretty sure it involved an argument where you were clearly in the minority that held your opinion and you chose to argue via inflammatory comments and I couldn't take it anymore though.

As I recall, you were debating the merits of government involvement in society, and where you continued to reply with your well reasoned and articulated points, he had much shorter replies that either didn't address the points you made, but instead he simply went on about how "guvmint" is bad, and he did use that word(although I can't honestly say for sure I have the spelling right).

It was probably his obstinacy in his positions and continued alternate use for the word government that seemed to irritate the hell out you, so that may have been why you put him on ignore.

Daarkseid wrote:As I recall, you were debating the merits of government involvement in society, and where you continued to reply with your well reasoned and articulated points, he had much shorter replies that either didn't address the points you made, but instead he simply went on about how "guvmint" is bad, and he did use that word(although I can't honestly say for sure I have the spelling right).

It was probably his obstinacy in his positions and continued alternate use for the word government that seemed to irritate the hell out you, so that may have been why you put him on ignore.

You might be right, and that would be "guvmit" since the socialists now running it don't earn the respect to be called a Government. 😉
And since what I've seen first hand over the last 53 years doesn't line up with what the colleges are saying about it, then anyone half my age will fully disagree with me.... at least for now. 😉

I'll EDIT this so the thread doesn't continue to get off topic,

What I said 4 years ago has now come to fruit.
The GOVERNMENT is allowing the illegals to pour in here to prop up the social(ist) security that without them will go belly up.
THat was what the disagreement was, socialism.

Freedom, I say we because I recall you saying something along the lines of "you and a group of other people antagonize new members to the point where they never want to come back." Maybe I remember wrong, but it still doesn't matter, that's my opinion.

I don't know why you bring this up again, but if you want to argue again, just PM me like yesterday.

phattonez wrote:Freedom, I say we because I recall you saying something along the lines of "you and a group of other people antagonize new members to the point where they never want to come back." Maybe I remember wrong, but it still doesn't matter, that's my opinion.

I don't know why you bring this up again, but if you want to argue again, just PM me like yesterday.

I bring it up again because that's what this whole conversation has been about.
The treatment of new people that come here.

I agree with Freedom about the guvmint. (libertarian here)

...Okay.

Hey, can we make sure to add that copying/stealing another's avatar is a bannable offense? Anyone remember the Pineconn_lolz incident?

That's the kind of issue that everyone knows really irks people and with "good" reason, but nothing can really be done about it because it's so ... all over the board decision-wise. It's like that old childing game "I'm not touching you!!" with your finger hovering millimeters over someone's epidermis.

Counter justice would generally be composed of pointing a loaded gun at him and replying with "I'm not scaring you..."

Why do we need a whole plethera of rules? You only need a couple:

Rule Zero: We reserve the right to ban anyone for any reason or even no reason.
Rule One: Don't be an idiot.
Rule Two: No warez, ROM's, illegal pornography, copyrighted content (excluding fair use and satire), other stuff that would cause AGN to get Party V&'ed by the FBI, etc.
Rule Three: Don't break the forums.

Yes, but who is "we?"

Below wrote:That depends on what "is" is.

ShadowTiger wrote:Yes, but who is "we?"

That depends on what "is" is. 😉

ShadowTiger wrote:Yes, but who is "we?"

I imagine that the rules would be coming from the point of view of an administrator, so "We" would refer to the colletive administrators and moderators as a whole.

Really, writing out 10 pages worth of rules and trying to scrutinize people closely makes things more complicated than they need to be. I say keep them simple, so their intent is not lost. The more complicated the rules are, the more likely some joker is going to try and pick them apart and find a loophole.