Nintendo's big E3 announcement

Pineconn hears something from Glenn that could potentially crumble his personal understanding of the universe...

Pineconn: "You know that's just an expression, right? Uh, right guys? right?..." *looks around nervously*

To be fair, my dad absolutely loved Super Mario Kart, while it took me a while to really get the hang of it.

Very funny Glenn. Ha ha haha ha.

I really should play Super Mario Kart. Good old isometric graphics. I think I'll [strike]download[/strike] buy it. 😛

Super Mario Kart didn't use isometric graphics. Mario Kart used something called Mode 7, which gave an illusion of a 3D playfield more or less.

A lot of Super Nintendo games used Mode 7 back in the day... ah nostalgia.

One of the first two games released used it too, F-Zero. Final Fantasy was well known for using it on the map screens. SNES was quite a graphical powerhouse at the time.

MottZilla wrote:Super Mario Kart didn't use isometric graphics. Mario Kart used something called Mode 7, which gave an illusion of a 3D playfield more or less.

...Then somebody lied to me. Argh, too bad I won't be able to speak to him again!

I think this is a great idea. I'll probably grab one when it's released.
Running a few miles daily or whatever else gets boring. It's nice to have other options.

MottZilla wrote:I stopped listening to Nintendo's "big announcements" along time ago. Sorry but Nintendo's all washed up for me. Unless they release a new killer GameBoy, I don't see them being a major player in seasoned gaming, only in casual/weekend /noobie gaming.

I like what sony has done up until the PS3. The wii is awesome, gimicky yes, but you can't argue with it's appeal. Xbox360 took some steps in the right direction after the inherent suck of the original Xbox, and the price has fallen to almost reasonable.

But pretty much, if I had a choice for which next gen console to own (since I sadly don't have one of them yet) It would definately be the wii. If only for sadness, MP Corruption, and SSBB, that so far looks better than anything slated for release on the other systems.

And come on, please don't make that childish arguement. It's as old and crotchety as you're starting to sound.
You still play mario 3, right? It's fucking childish and stupid. But that doesn't mean it's not good.

PoJ, you didn't understand. I love Nintendo's classic systems and games. And no they are not childish or stupid. Infact I never said anything about childish anywhere in this thread. I however don't care for the Wii and the motion controls and the pointer that they are trying to pimp out. The tilt functionality is neat but the rest isn't that interesting to me.

Just because you like Nintendo's previous work doesn't mean you have to love everything else they do. The DS works alot better than the Wii for me. I still don't like it when they do stupid things to use the touch screen when they shouldn't bother but overall the DS works well enough. The Wii not so much. Especially for the cost of it.

If you like the Wii that's fine. I prefer the Xbox 360 over the Wii by alot. One reason for that is online multiplayer gaming. And Wii can't match that or PS3. And I like shiney High Definition detailed graphics which Wii can't provide either.

You're just going to have to face it that people can not like Nintendo Wii. There are some titles I'd play but I don't find them high on my priority list. I find games like Gears of War and Assassin's Creed much more appealing than Super Mario Galaxy or SSBB or MP3.

MottZilla have you ever considered for a moment that perhaps some people like Nintendo's games doesn't have much to do with "love for the classic Nintendo"?

I mean more and more you lift your wine glass and discuss the finer points of "modern gaming" and the "hardcore gaming" crowd which you are proud to be a part of but I think you fail to realize that there is an equally large group of players that do not enjoy these games.

You find games like Gears of War and Assassin's Creed that build upon numerous predecessors and reward hours of skill-building in a particular tactic. When another Gears of War comes out you'll start with an advantage since you are already skilled at the previous Gears of War. Some people like this model.

Other people don't. What I didn't like about Twilight Princess was its engine was similar enough to previous Zelda games that I was practically invincible in combat. In this case, the Wiimote was a gimmick and brought nothing but easier aim of projectiles to the table. However, other games like Elebits were a ton of fun because the Wiimote allowed me to interact with the game in a way that tapped skillsets I had never been forced to use in games. I look forward to Super Mario Galaxy because it promises to bring a new method of interacting with Mario to the field, and previous experience with Mario games will not necessarily give me an advantage. I will be sorely disappointed if it turns out to be SMS 2.

In short, you like having the same game sold to you with minor tweaks so you can sit back and discuss how there should only be one map and two weapons to make the game "fair". Others like having the same license sold to them with major, game-altering tweaks that completely challenge the player to adopt a new playstyle and learn a varied range of strategies.

AtmaWeapon wrote:I look forward to Super Mario Galaxy because it promises to bring a new method of interacting with Mario to the field, and previous experience with Mario games will not necessarily give me an advantage. I will be sorely disappointed if it turns out to be SMS 2.

Have you seen the new video of it from e3? It is looking to be quite different than SMS.

I would hardly consider this their big announcement. I think the new SMG trailer, and release date are more important. They also stated that Brawl will be out on the 3rd of December. One day before my birthday =D

Anyway, I could care less about Wii Fit. It seems like Wii Sports: It started as a tech demo, and should have stayed a tech demo :shrug:

i agree fully with mottz first few posts, i cant be assed looking like a idiot to play a game, id rather sit down and push buttons like whats been done for the past 20 years and not look like an ass.

also, yes, nintendo have long since stopped making hardcore games, i do find some gamcube games good tho, but nothing anywhere near as hard as what they had for the NES or SNES.

The funniest thing about this thread is that people think that 20 year old Nintendo games are "Hardcore"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3520996425810543110
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6336332018778143406
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4242993143278425715

You either like a game or your don't. That's my take on this. I personally like games that others deem "stupid" or "don't play this because it sucks" becasue they just can't seem to find any fun in them. An example of this is Romancing Saga.

To get back on topic though, I look foward to Brawl and Prime 3. Maybe Galaxy. :kitty:

AtmaWeapon wrote:MottZilla have you ever considered for a moment that perhaps some people like Nintendo's games doesn't have much to do with "love for the classic Nintendo"?

Yes but some people do fit in that they love Nintendo so much they automatically want to love anything they do.

AtmaWeapon wrote:
I mean more and more you lift your wine glass and discuss the finer points of "modern gaming" and the "hardcore gaming" crowd which you are proud to be a part of but I think you fail to realize that there is an equally large group of players that do not enjoy these games.

Alexmax is the guy with the wine glass crap. The point of this forum is to discuss gaming. I do know there are people that don't enjoy many types of games I like. But some people don't seem to realize the opposite is true that many people that like playing games pushing buttons don't like whirling around a plastic remote.

AtmaWeapon wrote:
You find games like Gears of War and Assassin's Creed that build upon numerous predecessors and reward hours of skill-building in a particular tactic. When another Gears of War comes out you'll start with an advantage since you are already skilled at the previous Gears of War. Some people like this model.

There's nothing wrong with this so what's the big deal? Trying to point out some people don't like to play games cause they aren't as good as other people at it? That's life.

AtmaWeapon wrote:
Other people don't. What I didn't like about Twilight Princess was its engine was similar enough to previous Zelda games that I was practically invincible in combat. In this case, the Wiimote was a gimmick and brought nothing but easier aim of projectiles to the table. However, other games like Elebits were a ton of fun because the Wiimote allowed me to interact with the game in a way that tapped skillsets I had never been forced to use in games. I look forward to Super Mario Galaxy because it promises to bring a new method of interacting with Mario to the field, and previous experience with Mario games will not necessarily give me an advantage. I will be sorely disappointed if it turns out to be SMS 2.

I agree with you about Elebits which seems pretty amusing, but my problem is there's only so much you can do with it and there's so many crappy tacked on uses of the Wiimote it's sad. But even still, I don't want to be waving around or pointing in a nonsensical direction all the time I play games. If I want to point and shoot I'll play a lightgun game.

AtmaWeapon wrote:
In short, you like having the same game sold to you with minor tweaks so you can sit back and discuss how there should only be one map and two weapons to make the game "fair". Others like having the same license sold to them with major, game-altering tweaks that completely challenge the player to adopt a new playstyle and learn a varied range of strategies.

I don't want the same game with minor tweaks or one map and two weapons. That's your assumed opinion. And I'd like to point out that Gears of War and Assassin's Creed are games like no other, based on no other. They are not evolutions of some other game.

Assassin's Creed looks cool, but it sure does remind me of another game I know... hmmm ::_points to sig_::

I agree with you about Elebits which seems pretty amusing, but my problem is there's only so much you can do with it and there's so many crappy tacked on uses of the Wiimote it's sad. But even still, I don't want to be waving around or pointing in a nonsensical direction all the time I play games. If I want to point and shoot I'll play a lightgun game.

To be honest, the Wii hasn't done much to excite me past Twilight Princess, which had an exceptional storyline. I've played a few party-game type things and that was pretty sweet, particularly when it's 4 people crammed around a 14" or whatever crazy small TV it was and you're always bumping someone and the dog keeps getting in the way oh man I miss those days!

Anyway, I got a Wii in anticipation for the franchises that I knew would bring the experience I wanted: Twilight Princess, Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime whatever, and SSBB. I have high expectations and if two or more of those games fail to meet them then the Wii is dead to me.

It's still selling like crazy though from what I hear.

Now I think we're on the same page. I just don't buy into Wii being the super amazing/deserving product it is said to be. Like GameCube, again if Nintendo doesn't really deliver on their series you enjoy you're left with little to play. Honestly I don't want to invest that much into Wii especially after GameCube turned out so poorly.

It's kind of strange to me that after GC and so far with Wii, N64 seems like a much more successful system than it did at the end of its life. I remember so many people gathering to play 4 player N64 games all the time. Not at all with GC though. Wii still needs to build the library.

Btw, Prince of Persia isn't like Assassin's Creed other than the acrobatics of the main character. 😛

I'd like to think Mottz that Atma's rebuttal to your posts was a subtle reminder that the elitist mindset in one's gaming preferences can go both ways.

You were decrying the Wii as a machine for fanboys and noobs, and then Atma came back and reduced your gaming habits to simply wanting to play the same games over and over again.

In either case, the individual merits of both platforms were either marginalized or ignored outright in favor of the sorts of games that appeal to one's taste.

Also, stop shitting on the Wii. Its a whole different direction that Nintendo is taking the console business, and I dare anyone to attempt to explain why its somehow best if Nintendo were to follow the same direction the competition is taking, even though Nintendo 1) lacks the financial capital or market share to invest in conventionl hi spec consoles 2) released their current gen console a full year behind Microsoft, a company that had narrowly beaten Nintendo in the previous cycle in American market share.

You don't care for the wii controls, thats cool. You didn't need to come into this topic to let everyone know in a most obnoxious manner that Nintendo no longer appeals to you. This is why you got hit with the wine sipping elite label.

I read that last week, Nintendo's capital momentarily rose above that of Sony. Nintendo is experiencing massive growth because of their Wii.

I'm sure it's not only because of the popularity of their console, but also because of the low production values of their games for it.

Nintendo should use this as a fundraising stunt, then drop the Wii in the shitter, and slap down the money to make a high-powered conventional console.

I only had like seven games for the N64, all pretty much Nintendo's own games. With the Gamecube, I have about 30 games total, and have branched out into other genres/companies. A big part of it is due to price - a lot of the games in my GCN collection I got for $20 or less - but I think the Gamecube is a much better system than the N64 and has a better library.

What made N64 great was a lot of big "firsts", such as Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time. That and Goldeneye 007 and a few other big titles.

I don't think 3rd party developers will really put out groundbreaking stuff on the Wii. People try to get you to think they have on the DS, but really, they haven't. Sure, the system has exploded in terms of success, but is it because there are tons of games with awesome touch screen and dual screen controls? Not really. Nintendo is still the only one to take advantage of it's own system.

That's true. But then, you really don't get a lot of really innovative stuff on handhelds, anyway. The Wii's resounding popularity took pretty much everyone by surprise... as I recall, EA actually admitted that they weren't expecting it, and pledged to ramp up production on Wii titles. Now that it's become clear that the Wii actually has a significant share of the market, I expect there will be a lot more on the Wii horizon come this time next year.

Granted, whether or not Nintendo will be the only ones to truly take advantage of the Wii's capabilities remains uncertain. Still, it doesn't have to be revolutionary, it just has to be solid and not too gimmicky. For example, Etrian Odyssey uses the touch screen as a map that players have to fill ion themselves... just like using graph paper in oldschool first-person dungeon crawlers. It's not revolutionary by any means, but it is a fun, solid use of the touchscreen that I fully approve of.

DarkDragoonX wrote:
Granted, whether or not Nintendo will be the only ones to truly take advantage of the Wii's capabilities remains uncertain. Still, it doesn't have to be revolutionary, it just has to be solid and not too gimmicky.

After playing RE4 wii edition, I don't think I could go back to playing games where I have to aim with a crappy analog stick.

the wii just needs a lot more games that DONT use motion sensing technology, when that occurs, people will talk about the wii better.

with the ps3, do you prefer motion sensing or rumble pack?

Daarkseid wrote:After playing RE4 wii edition, I don't think I could go back to playing games where I have to aim with a crappy analog stick.

Then you'll be fucked when RE5 comes around. No Wii RE5. And I have to point out the Wii isn't so super amazing. Can't have the Nintendo fanclub running wild.

MottZilla wrote:Then you'll be fucked when RE5 comes around. No Wii RE5.

Yeah, probably. Oh well.

MottZilla wrote:I just don't buy into Wii being the super amazing/deserving product it is said to be.

Orion wrote:I don't think 3rd party developers will really put out groundbreaking stuff on the Wii.

Agree. I don't like all the shovelware (such as EA or Ubisoft) are putting on the Wii. It seems like a good portion of the Wii games are rehashes of games thats been released on systems months, if not a year, ago with tacked on controls which don't do anything for the game.