Tobias_Daboi wrote:Let us take this time to review another golden moment in American cinema.
That would have actually been funny, if the sandwhich broke the window.
So...
russadwan wrote:The Catholic Churches embraces evolution? I find that hard to agree. Could you elaborate?
Wow, Russ, were you trying to prove my point? Unbelievable. Anyway, there's not much to elaborate on - it's exactly as I said, the Catholic church fully accepts the big bang theory and the theory of evolution. Basically, they have deemed those questions of science, not of faith, and therefore those questions are not for them to answer, but for scientists to answer.
mighty_darknut wrote:It is widescreen, because�WIDESCREEN PWNZ J00‼
But none of the videos are even widescreen.
phattonez wrote:But none of the videos are even widescreen.
Beldaran wrote:I see funnyness here. You, who believe a wide array of fantastical stories, are expressing skepticism that a group of people who believe a wide array of fantastical stories would acknowledge that science gives us a more accurate view of the physical universe than ancient scrolls written by desert nomads who thought the earth was flat.
I'm just saying that because it seems like the Catholic Church would be the list likely to go for the "Creation metaphor" idea. Then again, they have interpetted some strange things from the Bible before.
mighty_darknut wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVCIbbBqZ1I
How did that dog get in there? :scared:
russadwan wrote:Then again, they have interpetted some strange things from the Bible before.
Genesis clearly states that the Earth was created before the sun, the stars, or anything else. It also says the earth is a flat surface existing under a solid dome with lights poking through called "stars".
If you don't think this is either a) a metaphor or b) totally false, you are retarded.
Beldaran wrote:Genesis clearly states that the Earth was created before the sun, the stars, or anything else. It also says the earth is a flat surface existing under a solid dome with lights poking through called "stars".If you don't think this is either a) a metaphor or b) totally false, you are retarded.
But what about these people?
phattonez wrote:But what about these people?
Beldaran wrote:Genesis clearly states that the Earth was created before the sun, the stars, or anything else. It also says the earth is a flat surface existing under a solid dome with lights poking through called "stars".
First of all, the sun came one day after Earth. That's possible. Second, the Bible never actually said that Earth was flat. It was a metaphore that people interpetted as saying Earh was flat.
mighty_darknut wrote:Or these: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/
Wait, are you saying some people actually believe the Earth is flat? Wow, that blows me away.
I found that Flat Earth Society through someone's sig at PureZC around two years ago. Not gonna name any names…
I've spent the last few minutes looking over that.
It's crazy.
Why on Earth would the government be trying to conceal it? It's crazy. And how hard would it be for one of them to get a boat and a compass and sail around the world? Magellen did it, why can't they?
It just blows my mind that some people overlook undiniable evidence like that.
And no Beldaran, it's different with Evolution. We have videos of Round Earth, but not Evolution. Just so I can say I didn't set myself up.
russadwan wrote:First of all, the sun came one day after Earth. That's possible.
This is the most retarded sentence I have ever read.
EDIT: It is so hilariously stupid and ignorant that I am quoting it in my signature, so I can always be reminded that whenever I feel like arguing with a christian, I have to stop and remember that they are suffering from a disability that causes their grasp on reality to be tenuous at best.
Yes, do. I've borrowed so many of your political jokes, it's only fair.
We'll just see which one of us had the wrong grasp on reality...
russadwan wrote:Then again, they have interpetted some strange things from the Bible before.
...you know Russ...even though someone's interpretation is different from yours, it doesn't make it wrong. We are dealing with an ANCIENT text here, so we can't exactly ask the writers what they intended. Also, I tend to treat the old testament stories with extreme skepticism. We're all spawned from TWO people? Dude, the amount of incest needed to create the human race from that is....phenomenal. Also, it was NEVER STATED ANYWHERE that they had a daughter. Now, I'm no expert, but....I THINK you need a male and a female in order to make more of any living thing.
Besides, how hard is it to believe that instead of planting us on the planet like potted geraniums, God looked at the Ape species, said "hmm...Maybe If I nudge one or two genes here, and a gene there...." and they eventually evolved to be humans? Is it REALLY that far-fetched?
Honestly, I think the best policy with these things is just to admit that we have no real clue what we're talking about. I'm content as a cucumber to have my theories, and keep my mind open to other possibilities rather than assume everyone else is wrong and that my line of thinking is the only right one, thanks.
I thought there was an entire forum for this kind of stuff :| Oh well, maybe I'm wrong.
I'm not sure about the Youtube wide screen. At least it is optional. I feel the same way about HD/ Wide screen (I know they are not one in the same, but..) Youtube as I do HDTV: Not enough people are doing it (broadcasters, and consumers) to make enough stuff for it, and make it worth it. How many HD channels do you have on your HD tuner that get shrunk on you TV, or often times get interference?
EDIT: Yeah, so, I just made a Pumpkin Pie. It is in the oven. I'll tell you how it turns out tomorrow 😮
russadwan wrote:We'll just see which one of us had the wrong grasp on reality...
I wouldn't do that Russ. You have a pretty good track record of having a demonstrably weak grasp on reality. No offense intended or anything, but on multiple occasions you have made statements, guided by your personal religious views, which have been easily show to be flat out wrong.
Aegix Drakan wrote:...God looked at the Ape species, said "hmm...Maybe If I nudge one or two genes here, and a gene there...." and they eventually evolved to be humans? Is it REALLY that far-fetched?
Well, I don't see micro evolution to be far-fetched, but the God just doesn't seem to be the kind of person who would create one organism, and then start throwing genes in the mix to change. He could have, it just doesn't seem likely to me.
russadwan wrote: I don't see micro evolution to be far-fetched
Excellent! Now, imagine if micro-evolution were to happen billions of times over, and over, and over... if you slightly change something a hundred billion times, it will be completely different.
The funny thing is, the micro/macro distinction was invented by creationists. Scientists know that there is no such thing as micro or macro evolution. There is just evolution.
I haven't been too active lately (I blame Facebook), but I'm glad to be able to get back into the mix with this. 😃
And this in particular:
russadwan wrote:First of all, the sun came one day after Earth.
If Bel hadn't already sigged it, I probably would have.
russadwan wrote: it's different with Evolution. We have videos of Round Earth, but not Evolution. Just so I can say I didn't set myself up.
Good god. A videotape is not the scientific method.
We don't have videos of time dilation, we don't have videos of sub-atomic particles, we don't have videos of distant planets we know exist, we don't have videos of gamma rays, we don't have videos of x-rays, we don't have videos of the strong nuclear force, we don't have videos of the inside of the sun, we don't have videos of .... and so on and so forth.
You don't need a videotape of something to know it exists. You need observation, hypothesis, testing, analysis, and eventually theory. Evolution is called a "Theory" because it has passed the most rigorous possible examination by the most educated and qualified people on earth.
Speaking of videos, can I see your videotape of god? Obviously you won't accept something unless there is a videotape of it, so I want to see your videotape of Jesus rising from the dead.
Problem with this thread now = People telling people why they are wrong and/or stupid :f
Beldaran wrote:Excellent! Now, imagine if micro-evolution were to happen billions of times over, and over, and over... if you slightly change something a hundred billion times, it will be completely different.
The funny thing is, the micro/macro distinction was invented by creationists. Scientists know that there is no such thing as micro or macro evolution. There is just evolution.
You do bring up a good point there. I will be thinking about it all night tonight.
However, it just seems like there should be a difference. I can see two dogs eventually turning into many breeds of dogs. I can see one finch ending up as three slightly different finches. But I cann't see a fish growing lungs, coming on land, then growing hard skin, getting up on two legs, then turning into a human. I'm too tired to write anything well thought right now, but I'll be posting more tomorrow.
russadwan wrote:You do bring up a good point there. I will be thinking about it all night tonight.
However, it just seems like there should be a difference. I can see two dogs eventually turning into many breeds of dogs. I can see one finch ending up as three slightly different finches. But I cann't see a fish growing lungs, coming on land, then growing hard skin, getting up on two legs, then turning into a human. I'm too tired to write anything well thought right now, but I'll be posting more tomorrow.
This is because you know the former has happened in human history (different breeds of dogs) so you accept it as possible.
Now expand your time frame to billions of years, and the idea of water-based organisms gradually, over millions of millions of years, evolving to have the ability to live on land, one attribute at a time, doesn't seem so implausible...
russ, honestly, this is just a game forum and we are just dorks with nothing better to do than chat up the local fundamentalist. If you are seriously intellectually curious about the science of evolution, a science I feel is startlingly beautiful and interesting, then by all means read a really good book on it.
I would say even take faith out of the equation. Read a really good hard scientific book about evolution and just acknowledge that you are reading something you don't agree with merely for the purpose of a new perspective. Don't view it as a threat. Make an agreement with yourself that no matter what the science book says, you will remain committed to your faith, and just read it out of curiosity.
I have read the entire Bible twice. I have read parts of it so many times I can't count. I have read apologist literature, and a multitude of arguments in favor of faith. I have studied christian theology in a formal environment. I did these things to enhance my perspective. I do not view alternative viewpoints as a threat.
I suggest you do the same. Become as educated in the arena of scientific thought as you are in faith. You may find that science can enrich your mind and your life beyond your expectations without threatening your faith. Many faithful christians have no problem with the fact that evolution is clearly the method through which complex life came to exist on this planet.
One of the things that get in the way of people's understanding and acceptance of evolution is that the sheer amount of time that has gone by since the beginning of life on Earth is absolutely staggering. It's practically impossible to work with such an idea in our brains. Sure, it's easy to say "three billion years", but one can just as easily say the word "googolplex", and that number had might as well be infinity, as far as anyone is concerned.
Actually sit down and imagine just how long a year is—go ahead, try it. Picture a year in your mind. Think of all the things that happen in one year: all the dawns, all the nightfalls, all the births, all the deaths, all the Rickrolls. This is just a way of breaking it up into meaningful segments, because what I want you to do is actually imagine that time going by, and imagine all the things that can happen during that time, especially all the cell divisions. Now, that's just one year. Imagine doing that ten times in a row, and you've got the same job that primetime news shows have to do every decade. So now we've got a decade. It's pretty fucking big, right? There might be people on Earth who are capable of really processing this kind of a chunk of time, but I don't think I know any. So, turn ten decades into a century. Ouch. Turn ten centuries into a millenium. Fuck. (Do that twice and you can see why people would be skeptical of the timelessness and veracity of the New Testament.) Turn ten millenia into a ten-thousand-year period. Impossible. Turn ten of those into a one-hundred-thousand-year period. Computers couldn't do this. Turn ten of those into a million-year period. It's utter nonsense. Turn one thousand of those into a billion-year period, then do the whole fucking thing three more times, and we've reached the dawn of life on our fair planet.
We're looking at a fucking shitload of cell divisions. I mean a fucking mind-blowing no-way-to-describe-its-magnitude SHITLOAD. Almost every time, the division went flawlessly, but over such a terrifyingly vast stretch of time, an uncountable number of mutations has occurred. And yet we don't have laser vision! I feel ripped off.
...so...
back off topic...
This guy at my school actually convinced another guy that Nintendo was going to trade the rights for Zelda with Sony in exchange for Final Fantasy back. It was both funny and sad...
Amaster42 wrote:...so...
back off topic...
This guy at my school actually convinced another guy that Nintendo was going to trade the rights for Zelda with Sony in exchange for Final Fantasy back. It was both funny and sad...
That would be a shitty trade on Nintendo's part. Zelda is a whole cast of characters and concepts, while Final Fantasy is basically just a name—a name that hardly has any integrity anymore.
"First of all, the sun came one day after Earth. That's possible."
Beldaran wrote:
This is the most retarded sentence I have ever read.
I have to agree with Bel on this one...
how the hell would that be possible, what did the earth tiny gravitational field trap the monstrous Sun make it stop in its tracks so that it could make the earth rotate around it...
not plausible...
I have no major in any astrophysics but I am confident it works a little bit like an atom, you would need a nucleus (the sun) to have the electrons (the planets) revolving around it.
I think even with limited knowledge of the solar system we have at least figured out that the sun came first.
Icey wrote:
Now expand your time frame to billions of years, and the idea of water-based organisms gradually, over millions of millions of years, evolving to have the ability to live on land, one attribute at a time, doesn't seem so implausible...
nope just implausible...
Beldaran, I have read lots of stuff on evolution. And I do agree, it could have been the way life came to be, given that there is somebody to direct it. Really, you could interpet the Bible litterally, or you could say God write it like that because early man could not understand evolution. It's more a matter of what you believe through experiance than what's scientifically accepted. I go with the litteral interpetation because I read stuff literally, and I like to be able to start up an arguement with almost any scientist. 😃