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61 replies · 11,332 views · Started 16 May 2007

Jerry Falwell is dead.

Unfortunately, his intellectually embarassing and backwards university still exists, so his death will serve no productive purpose. Still, it's nice that he will no longer be able to make news with his mentally deficient ideas.

As he was perhaps one of the most intolerant, hateful, and small minded men of our popular political culture, I don't feel bad about being ruthless in my appraisal of his mental failure as a person. I only feel sorry for his friends and relatives to the extent that they had to suffer the corrosive influence of his laughable beliefs.

Some real gems that came from the mouth of Jerry Falwell:

�Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions�

�AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals�

�Billy Graham is the chief servant of Satan in America� [wtf?]

�The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country�

�Textbooks are Soviet propaganda�

�The ACLU is to Christians what the American Nazi party is to Jews�

�[homosexuals are] brute beasts...part of a vile and satanic system [that] will be utterly annihilated, and there will be a celebration in heaven.�

�If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being�

Good riddance, Jerry Falwell. Don't let the door hit you in the butt.

I'm glad he's gone. He gave real Christians a bad name, and ultimately did much more harm than good to the cause of Christianity.

I figure by now God has enlightened him to the truth, and he feels pretty stupid.

The one quote from Falwell that I agree with is his quote that, "If it isn't controversial, it's not worth talking about."

Agreed. He embodied all that was bad about religion, and none of the good. When you base your religion on hate and intolerance, well, you don't have religion, you have some messed up guy who just happens to be good at winning people to his cause.

Wow....That's just funny. I mean, even he wouldn't really deserve something like that, but it's still really funny.

I can't bring myself to take pleasure in anyone's death, but the world is definitely a better place for having a bit less of Falwell's brand of asshattery in it.

Anyway, just thought I'd post this:
http://www.godhatesamerica.com/

WBC will Preach at Jerry Falwell's Funeral!!

WBC will preach at the memorial service of the corpulent false prophet Jerry Falwell, who spent his entire life prophesying lies and false doctrines like "God loves everyone".

There is little doubt that Falwell split Hell wide open the instant he died. The evidence is compelling, overwhelming, and irrefragable. To wit:

1. Falwell was a true Calvinistic Baptist when he was a young preacher in Springfield, Missouri, and sold his soul to Free-Willism (Arminianism) for lucre.

2. Falwell bitterly and viciously attacked WBC because of WBC's faithful Bible preaching -- thereby committing the unpardonable sin -- otherwise known as the sin against the Holy Ghost.

3. Falwell warmly praised Christ-rejecting Jews, pedophile-condoning Catholics, money-grubbing compromisers, practicing fags like Mel White, and backsliders like Billy Graham and Robert Schuler, etc. All for lucre -- making him guilty of their sins.


Still plenty of fundamentalist assholes out there, unfortunately.

Jerry Falwell is widely credited for bringing the Christian Right into politics. Now the question is, how do we get them out?

Is he the guy who protested all the funerals? I want to show up at his with a giant BYE FAGGOT sign

I can't believe you have not already heard of them.

Lilith, Reverand Falwell was not the guy that paraded at the funerals of dead soldiers. That was the WBC.

I went to a gathering they did at a soldier's funeral in Lawton, Oklahoma. The Patriot Guard was there and everything. We cussed them out and shit.

Lol.

He brought so much hatred with him... *sigh* Thank God he's gone. I don't know why ANYONE, much less an alleged Christian, thinks that so much hate and bigotry is going to make the world a better place. Sure as hell didn't work for Hitler...

One of his ghostwriters once said that in private Falwell would thank God for gay activists because they gave him publicity, and that he'd invent them himself otherwise.

Amaster42 wrote:Wow....That's just funny. I mean, even he wouldn't really deserve something like that, but it's still really funny.

Wrong. He deserves the worst you can think up. People like that piece of shit are what's wrong with our country today. People that involve retarded religion in politics and government should be shot. We are supposed to keep retarded religion seperate from our government. It's also probably why we have so many stupid people too.

Actually he was a big fat boil on the arse end of religion (as a whole). Hopefully now that he's gone hatred will calm down. I doubt it but I can always hope.

Jerry Falwell exemplifies everything religion stands for. If there are religious people who aren't like him, it's because they don't understand the nature of religion. When you truly practice and believe in religion, and you abide by the sacred texts, you live like Jerry Falwell.

See also, my signature.

Beldaran wrote:Jerry Falwell exemplifies everything religion stands for. If there are religious people who aren't like him, it's because they don't understand the nature of religion. When you truly practice and believe in religion, and you abide by the sacred texts, you live like Jerry Falwell.

See also, my signature.

I'm a Liberal Christian, and according to Falwell's camp, I'm either an apostate or not even worth calling a Christian. The thing is, I don't equate my beliefs with being a "religion". I also have a hard time abiding fully by sacred texts when I have what I feel is legitimate question to their accuracy and authenticity in areas.

Amaster42 wrote:Yeah, but if you condone cannabilism who'se worse?

I don't condone any such thing in general. However this piece of shit probably would deserve to be eaten alive. You have to realize this guy is atleast partially responsible for getting many useless sacks of shit into positions of power which indirectly caused many pointless unnessisary deaths and losses.

I understand that Falwell was high in cholesterol, and wouldn't make for a healthy meal.

I made a big long rant about this recently, but here's a simplified attempt at explaining my earlier thoughts:

For the most part, there are two major ways religion can be practiced.

Way #1 (aggressive, dedicated religion) tends to incorporate following what the rulebook says, power-jockeying, control of others, unbelievers = the enemy/must be converted or destroyed, dislike of the unlike, and fear/paranoia/denial of any sort of reproach. People who go this general direction tend to be unwilling to think and consider other perspectives or even admit they exist, and think everyone should work the way they want them to. How much this viewpoint bleeds into your life depends on how strongly you believe in it and how ambitious/power mongering you are. This Jerry Falwell seems to have been very high in both regards.

Way #2 (passive, faithful but reserved religion) is to kinda say screw the specifics, the rulebook isn't absolute, and you should use your heart/follow a moral code in which the good of others is ranked above what you believe or prefer, and enforcing your ways on others is a bad thing. In other words, this general viewpoint is laxer, kinder, and, while still religious, goes only for the main ideas and high points that believing in something can hold, EG afterlife, creation, ultimate forgiveness, that sort of thing. The warlikeness, political elements, power-mongering, domination, etc, are all dropped. From what I have seen, Prr and Glenn are examples of this sort of belief.

Christianity/judeism/islam seem very much to have DEVELOPED along way #1 in nature, and the bible is full of some pretty horrible stuff. However, modern belief and individuality (I'm sure there were people somewhere who thought this way, though they probably didn't dare to speak it, considering they were often surrounded by things like people were being burned at the stake for- SUPPOSEDLY, not even with legitimate proof- practicing a different religion such as wicca... not that wiccans went around burning christians for being christians too much that I'm aware of) has given a place and a certain degree of common practice to way #2. Right now at least, people are free enough in places like America that they can openly admit to believing differently than what those who follow way #1 want them to. Thus, a friendly, nice sort of Christianity and Judeism and such begins to show up.

That can be a good thing, I think. From something which can be terrible comes instead a kind, loving sort of belief without any of the hatred or closed mindedness. The only harm that I can possibly see coming from it is that it could somehow reinforce the continued existence of way #1, but that doesn't seem to be all that likely. Essentially I think of it as christianity metamorphosing from this monstrous thing into something passive, kind, and really kind of neat in it's own right. It's a shame that not everyone who follows christianity makes that kind of a transition, and instead so many opt to continue the ways of hatred and control.

Then again, I'm an agnostic, not an atheist; I'm not in the business of telling people what to do, only in expressing my own feelings and opinions (which are in no way inherently "right", and I stress that point). I don't think there is a "Truth" I can know for certain because there's just too many unproveable, unanswerable questions. I don't really KNOW anything for certain- to my viewpoint, I can't.

That said, it has been my observation, and the observation of others, that Way #1 has historically tended to engender:

"Excuses" for primal atrocities/hideous crimes and aggressive warlike behavior (see the old testament, Deuteronomy being a prime example)

Horrible dictatorships/supremesist governments such as Nazi Germany (Hitler himself was quite religious- and incidentally, Christian)

Mass murder based on nonsensical claims, paranoia, misdirected hatred, and stirred up crowds, such as the salem witch burnings and Spanish inquisition

"Excuses" for slavery, control, bigotry, and unequal rights (throughout the last several hundred years or even millenia, right through the present day here in America and many other places)

Closed-minded family relationships, parents doing horrible things to their children (my parents are a MILD example of this simply for being unreasonable and controlling and bigoted, and it's soon going to destroy my relationship with them when they learn I'm things they don't want me to be expressly because of their religion combined with their own personal fear. Plenty of parents beat their children for far less, and very, very often those people are aggressively religious.)

You do the math.

When you truly practice and believe in religion, and you abide by the sacred texts, you live like Jerry Falwell.

No.

Just because he might say that is no reason to believe him any more than to believe the rest of what he said.

Just a thought: replace "Christian" by "American". So if you're a true American, you ... well, you see what I'm getting at. By the looks of it there are people in this thread who are Americans yet aren't his followers. In a same way, I'm a Christian but not one of his followers (I'm not American, if you want to know).

Also, nice post Jennifer. I enjoyed reaing it and I agree with what you say - even if you call yourself agnostic your beliefs are a lot closer to mine than Falwell's are. I suppose that's yet another example of "don't judge someone simply by what they say they are"


Way #2 (passive, faithful but reserved religion) kind is to say screw the specifics, the rulebook isn't absolute, and you should use your heart/follow a moral code in which the good of others is ranked above what you believe or prefer, and enforcing your ways on others is a bad thing. In other words, this general viewpoint is laxer, kinder, and, while still religious, goes only for the main ideas and high points that believing in something can hold, EG afterlife, creation, ultimate forgiveness, that sort of thing. The warlikeness, political elements, power-mongering, domination, etc, are all dropped. From what I have seen, Prr and Glenn are examples of this sort of belief.

You can count me in on this one.

koopa wrote:No.

Yes.

koopa wrote:
Just because he might say that is no reason to believe him any more than to believe the rest of what he said.

If you are a christian and you do not live exactly like Jerry Falwell, then you are not obeying your bible.

Dude, fuck the bible.*

Gets mobbed

It's all well and good living your life to the word of a book, but if you do so at the expense of other people, you've got a problem. I'm Christian, and I don't go to church. I don't pray every night before I go to bed. I don't religiously** read the bible - hell, I can't even remember if I've actually read it at all. Does that make me a bad person? No. A bad Christian maybe, but I don't think that really affects my person.

The bible is a book that was written hundreds, if not thousands, of years ago. It's bound to be horribly outdated and filled with ridiculous and stupid ideas. If you're going to live your life according to the bible, go by the spirit of the word - don't kill, help your fellow man and be a decent person - otherwise you end up being a jerk. Just like Jerry Falwell.


*I hardly ever swear here, and I NEVER say 'Dude'. That's how strongly I feel about this statement.
**Pun totally intended.

As I've said before... I am not so much religious as I am spiritual. I do not believe that I have to go to a church building (four walls, a floor, a ceiling and expensive replicas of religious artifacts/artwork/etc) every day so that I can "talk to God" in His home. I believe I can talk to Him ANYWHERE I may be.

Nor do I "blindly" follow the Bible, its comments, statements or teachings.

Whether there really IS a God/Higher being or not (and I do believe there is), I believe that ultimately we should treat each other with kindness, be willing to compromise when we have disagreements/differing views of opinions, and not necessarily love everyone but be able to treat everyone with some semblance of civility.

God doesn’t force His teachings, His beliefs or His wishes on ANYONE. So it boggles my mind when people think it’s their right/duty/etc to do it FOR God and/or IN Gods’ name.

What are we counting as writing it? The original torah? The original new testament? The first translation? The first english translation? Or maybe the kind of answer some people I know would claim, that it is "for all time" as it says and so God (to my intepretation of their explanation) apparently wrote the whole thing at the same time he was [strike]planning[/strike] giving Adam and Eve the option of eating from the tree [strike]for no clear reason[/strike] as part of his plan (wait... fuck)?

Darth Marsden wrote:
The bible is a book that was written by ordinary humans with their own agenda hundreds, if not thousands, of years ago. It's bound to be horribly outdated and filled with ridiculous and stupid ideas that were perhaps put in by someone at a time to influence events in their favor for some reason or another and aldo translated from one language to another allowing translators to alter passages. The bible is not the word of God, it is a book written by humans that claims to be the word of God.

Fixed. You're welcome.