1up: Wii vs PS3

When I click the link it tells me that the pages does not exist anymore and takes me to the main page.
I think the link was just wrong cuz I found it on their main page.

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3155235 here

Which appears to be the exact same link you put up....i wonder why it wont work when clicked

MANDRAG GANON wrote:When I click the link it tells me that the pages does not exist anymore and takes me to the main page.

fixed

Warlock wrote:1up did a PS3 vs Wii comparison.. this has to be a joke:
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3155235

Read the last one (page 3) - launch lineup. How the HELL did PS3 win that? PS3 doesn't have crap for launch, whereas Nintendo has Zelda (and a number of interesting 3rd party titles that are not ports of 360 games). That instantly invalidates the entire article.

Other stuff I don't agree with include online support, at least sort of... I realize Nintendo doesn't have anything there *now* which is why I can sort of understand this, but it's also why you can't make an overgeneralization of the two at the moment as well.

I also disagree with extra functionality. I'd probably agree and give this to PS3 if the blu-ray player wasn't friggin' driving the price up by $300.

Yes, that article was obvious horse shit. Supposedly, they compared the Wii '06 lineup to the PS3 '07 lineup. There was an informative thread about it on /.

After this and the NWN2 incident, you have to wonder wtf is with 1up.

EDIT:
NWN2 link

Good, so it's not just me who thinks this article is BS?

I've really been losing a lot of respect for 1up lately anyways. They gave a horrible review of Dark Messiah of Might & Magic which basically said "you can kick every enemy in the game to win" (which is not true - not to mention, if you don't like kick, you can opt NOT to use it -_-).

Aside from that, the site sucks in general. Horrible layout, very twitchy (i.e. enough flash crap already!), and I can't even access the site from home - I don't know why. They are blocking me or something (but I can get in *sometimes*). I've tried contacting them and never got a reply. It's stupid :P

Expect more bull from the media. Sony throws more money into marketing than Nintendo and the industry is ripe with accusations of purchased reviews these days. It doesn't take much to connect those dots.

I agree with most of the categories, but at this point in time, it's hard to accurately judge all of them.

Online - I don't think much info has been released about either system in terms of how online will work. Sony had no centralized system in the past, and the one for the DS was lacking (but it worked pretty well), so both have a lot to live up to compared to X-Box Live. I'd call this one a tie.

Extra functionality - Okay, we know PS3 plays blu-ray discs, and other types of discs. Otherwise the system are about the same. Both offer backwards compatibility and ways to edit photos/video etc. I'd call this one a tie too, although I will say I think Nintendo has a leg up in compatibility, cause the Cube compatibility is probably going to be near flawless since the hardware is nearly identical, and then you have the Virtual Console back library. And to be fair the big hard drive in the PS3 will make things a bit easier do store a lot of media. However, if you're in it for the blu-ray, the PS3 will be the cheapest blu-ray player available.

Games - Both the Wii and the PS3 share a lot of the same launch titles (which are already on the X-Box 360), but from what I can tell, there are more exclusives for Wii in the "launch window" - not too mention you get some unique control offerings for those 3rd party games with the Wii-mote that is not available anywhere else. I'd say Wii wins that category.

vegeta1215 wrote:I agree with most of the categories, but at this point in time, it's hard to accurately judge all of them.

Online - I don't think much info has been released about either system in terms of how online will work. Sony had no centralized system in the past, and the one for the DS was lacking (but it worked pretty well), so both have a lot to live up to compared to X-Box Live. I'd call this one a tie.

Extra functionality - Okay, we know PS3 plays blu-ray discs, and other types of discs. Otherwise the system are about the same. Both offer backwards compatibility and ways to edit photos/video etc. I'd call this one a tie too, although I will say I think Nintendo has a leg up in compatibility, cause the Cube compatibility is probably going to be near flawless since the hardware is nearly identical, and then you have the Virtual Console back library. And to be fair the big hard drive in the PS3 will make things a bit easier do store a lot of media. However, if you're in it for the blu-ray, the PS3 will be the cheapest blu-ray player available.

Games - Both the Wii and the PS3 share a lot of the same launch titles (which are already on the X-Box 360), but from what I can tell, there are more exclusives for Wii in the "launch window" - not too mention you get some unique control offerings for those 3rd party games with the Wii-mote that is not available anywhere else. I'd say Wii wins that category.

I agree on the tie for Online. In terms of Extra functionality though, Wii has Virtual Console AND plays GC titles. That beats PS3 just playing PSX/PS2. Now there is word that PS3 will have its own VC (*cough*ripoff*cough*) but you're talking about likely a much more expensive system (these are all PSX games - you can probably still find these in stores.. I imagine Sony will charge at least $15-20 each) and Nintendo has a lot more systems with theirs (NES/SNES/N64/Sega Genesis/TG16 and I hear Commodore 64!). Otherwise they are prob about the same, but like I said, if anything Blu-ray subtracts points from Sony - forcing that on people jacks up the system price to rediculous $600. Not only that, it's the cause of the system shortages, since the blue diodes are extremely hard to manufacture reliably.

It is kinda frustrating when I turn on the news, and look at the newspaper, and all I hear about is the PS3, and how people are lining up for the PS3.

Word of mouth seems to be carrying the Wii though. Apparently there are more people in my small little town waiting for it than I thought, so I might have to wait in line awhile at Walmart. On the otherhand, I have held a Wii, Wii controller, and Zelda in my hands. Very frustrating, not being able to buy it yet.

This is the same article that EGM published in their magazine. I didn't really argee with it either, but I already made my mind up long ago. According to the title list, the Wii has three games I'm gonna buy at launch, while there is zip that I'm interested in for PS3. I'll check back in a year when Metal gear comes out.

I didn't agree with EGM's view on things either. A lot of the direct game comparisons (like Call of Duty 3) I've seen sided with the PS3 version due to a combination of online play and graphics. This is reminding me of PSP vs. DS all over again.....

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3155102

lol.. only 1up would think that these coincidences would add up to "PS3 = PS2 success". Some of them are real stretches though.. I laughed at them mentioning the demos from e3 - "OMG SONY USED TEH SAEM DEMO IDEAS!!!11"

At least they bothered to do a counter article afterwards :P

The PS3 US launch is already turning ugly. Ebay really has made these system launches very profitable for those willing to wait the longest. They even have people that have picked up homeless people in a uhaul thing, and are paying them to wait in line to buy a PS3. And they think it's a GOOD thing and they are PROUD of it. They kick them each 100$ while they make "alittle profit" of perhaps 1500$ or more. Ofcourse if I can grab a PS3 or two to sell I will.

That kinda reminds me of what the Launch in Japan was like.

MottZilla wrote:The PS3 US launch is already turning ugly. Ebay really has made these system launches very profitable for those willing to wait the longest. They even have people that have picked up homeless people in a uhaul thing, and are paying them to wait in line to buy a PS3. And they think it's a GOOD thing and they are PROUD of it. They kick them each 100$ while they make "alittle profit" of perhaps 1500$ or more. Ofcourse if I can grab a PS3 or two to sell I will.

I think it's going to backfire personally. PS3 is already rediculously priced, and they expect people to tack on $300+ more to that for what? Just "to have it"? There are no decent launch games, there are barely even a decent amount of blu-ray movies out right now (plus eBay PS3 will be greater priced than a normal blu-ray player). I think people are gonna be shocked when suddenly they have two+ PS3s and no one wants to buy them. I think the amount of people that genuinely *want* the system (and are so impatient that they can't wait for new stock) is going to be incredibly low compared to just about any other "hard to get at launch" console.

Warlock wrote:PS3 is already rediculously priced, and they expect people to tack on $300+ more to that for what? Just "to have it"? There are no decent launch games, there are barely even a decent amount of blu-ray movies out right now (plus eBay PS3 will be greater priced than a normal blu-ray player).

Where'd you hear that? They say some HDTVs that don't do 720p will scale down to 480p rather than up to 1080i or something. But I agree Warlock, I think few people actually want the PS3 that badly. But I think the small stock that is out there will easily sell out, even at over retail price. And I think you're right, some people will get stuck with PS3s they didn't want if they want too much. I think in the end, people might realize the huge increase in PS3s on ebay actually benifits them because now they know they don't have to spend that huge amount, because there will always be another bunch of PS3s.

I dunno, I think the excitement and prices will die down but flare up before christmas. But after that expect them to steadily go down.

MottZilla wrote:Where'd you hear that? They say some HDTVs that don't do 720p will scale down to 480p rather than up to 1080i or something.

Right, 720p games are scaling down to 480p on 1080i TVs instead of up (like 360 does). It's still pretty shitty :P

Warlock wrote:http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3155102

lol.. only 1up would think that these coincidences would add up to "PS3 = PS2 success". Some of them are real stretches though.. I laughed at them mentioning the demos from e3 - "OMG SONY USED TEH SAEM DEMO IDEAS!!!11"

At least they bothered to do a counter article afterwards :P

Yeah, I hate stupid articles like that because they just pull things out of thin air when comparing two things. That last one was not even the same comparison. Lets compare Ebay prices of PS2, with retail prices of PS3.

I have a better comparison
PS2 has games, PS3 has games...there you go.

Heh, being around school this week, there's a lot of people who want the PS3 badly. Of course, they hear the price and how many the stores actually have, and end up disappointed, but that doesn't change the fact that most of the typical college students that only play games for sports and GTA, still want one.

My roommate, who works at the Walmart here, threatens to kill anyone who utters 'PS3' now, after having to field hundreds of questions about it over the last few days he's worked.

Orion wrote:...that doesn't change the fact that most of the typical college students that only play games for sports and GTA, still want one.

AtmaWeapon wrote:I have an irrational hatred of this group of people, probably because 99% of them are the guys that were busy ostracizing me in elementary and junior high because only nerds played video games. Anything that disappoints them makes me a little happy.

http://blog.wired.com/games/2006/11/scea_vp_on_back.html

A sample:

Do you have a response for people experiencing backwards compatibility issues and/or television upscaling problems?

I would like my car to fly and make me breakfast, but that's an unrealistic expectation. We've reported problems on only 200 of the 8000 PlayStation 1 and 2 games. I would challenge the average consumer to say that there are significant problems with any of the games in their library.

If you look at our competitors, one machine has zero backwards compatibility and one only has it with a third of their games. [Actually, the Wii is backwards compatible with the full GameCube library. - CK]

P.S. - also, since when does 360 *not* have backwards compatability? Know thy competition :P

I noticed now they did a semi-listing on the PS3's '07 lineup whilst not doing the same for the Wii

Nintendo will supply tons of top-quality first-party offerings, but third-party support still appears pretty weak compared to PS3 and 360.

The backwards compatibility issue is pretty small tbqh imo. 200 games with issues out of an 8,000 game library amounts to about 2.5% of the games being incompatible. Go check the used rack at a games dealer and you'll find that the PSX and PS2 library is chock full of games you'd never consider playing. I've always felt like for every big hit in Sony's lineup there's at least 20 or 25 failures.

So, whether the backwards compatibility issue is significant or not depends on which games have the compatibility issues. Incompatibilities with a Final Fantasy is a problem (or a godsend depending on your opinion); incompatibilities with some Valusoft game for sale to grandmothers unaware of what games are popular is not.

However, the spin that representative put on it is an example of why every problem with the PS3 is scrutinized so heavily: Sony does whatever it takes to pretend they aren't a problem up to and including the use of lies. XBox 360 has compatibility issues, but the bulk of the XBox library works perfectly on the 360. For all we know, the Wii has no compatibility issues (though from what little I read I think it's just a beefed up Gamecube so screwing up compatibility would probably be hard).

The real loser in this is the interviewer for not immediately following up with, "Excuse me, could you elaborate on which of your competitors has no backwards compatibility? The Wii has it and the XBox 360 has it, are you in competition with the Phantom?" No member of the press has had the balls to call out a Sony rep during an interview and that is quite sad because there is so much potential to make some faces turn red.

AtmaWeapon wrote:The backwards compatibility issue is pretty small tbqh imo. 200 games with issues out of an 8,000 game library amounts to about 2.5% of the games being incompatible. Go check the used rack at a games dealer and you'll find that the PSX and PS2 library is chock full of games you'd never consider playing. I've always felt like for every big hit in Sony's lineup there's at least 20 or 25 failures.

So, whether the backwards compatibility issue is significant or not depends on which games have the compatibility issues. Incompatibilities with a Final Fantasy is a problem (or a godsend depending on your opinion); incompatibilities with some Valusoft game for sale to grandmothers unaware of what games are popular is not.

However, the spin that representative put on it is an example of why every problem with the PS3 is scrutinized so heavily: Sony does whatever it takes to pretend they aren't a problem up to and including the use of lies. XBox 360 has compatibility issues, but the bulk of the XBox library works perfectly on the 360. For all we know, the Wii has no compatibility issues (though from what little I read I think it's just a beefed up Gamecube so screwing up compatibility would probably be hard).

The real loser in this is the interviewer for not immediately following up with, "Excuse me, could you elaborate on which of your competitors has no backwards compatibility? The Wii has it and the XBox 360 has it, are you in competition with the Phantom?" No member of the press has had the balls to call out a Sony rep during an interview and that is quite sad because there is so much potential to make some faces turn red.

Well, Devil May Cry and Tekken don't work. So yeah, it's a big deal. 200 games *is* small, but when half of those are great, popular games it's pretty bad.

Yep, those two lean my opinion away from "insignificant problem".

I googled it and came up with this:
http://ps3.qj.net/PS3-Backwards-Compatibility-status-list/pg/49/aid/72577

Site's a bit slow, and I don't think it's complete. I'll see if I can find a better link. It sounds like *no* PS2 Hard Drive games (i.e. FFXI) work on PS3 though.

Edit: Oh, and I've heard the Guitar Hero guitar controller doesn't work on PS3.
(edit again) http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/guitar-hero-ii-unplayable-on-ps3-214094.php

Edit2: A bit better list from IGN (English titles at least :P):
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745439p1.html

Orion wrote:Heh, being around school this week, there's a lot of people who want the PS3 badly. Of course, they hear the price and how many the stores actually have, and end up disappointed, but that doesn't change the fact that most of the typical college students that only play games for sports and GTA, still want one.

What I don't understand is how for the last week, I've heard PS3 this and PS3 that. When does it come out, how much does it cost, will I be able to get one. Even today, I've heard that (yes, I had to work after all). Really, don't they think its a bit too late to be trying to get one. Wii though, comes out a mere 48 hours later, yet nobody knows anything about it, or even asks about it. The average consumer doesn't even know what it is and I get a response such as "The what?" or "What's that?"

It depends where you live and who you talk to man. There is ofcourse a grouping of people who are playstation idiots. But there's a bigger group of a more informed public that is aware of other choices. Like I said waaaay back months ago, I kinda hope the Wii has a frenzy, but not so much so that I can't get one. 😉