quantum physics

I have seen the movie and was largely unimpressed. I will not address the water crystals as I have no knowledge in that area; however, I do have some comments about your assertions regarding quantum physics:

Being two places at once is posible, infact you can be anywhere at anytime!

You are Empty space

You can go backwards in time as well as you can go forwards...

DarkDragon wrote:
This is more fancy than fact. The motion of our atoms is greatly constrained by special relativity. One can combine quantum mechanics and special relativity in the form of the Dirac equation (the analogue of the Shrondinger equation), and the Dirac equation restricts the evolution of the wave function so that, for instance, if I observe an electron right in front of me right now, the probability of finding the electron one second later more than one light-second away from its original location will be 0. Moreover, humans as large objects are under extremely frequent observation, and so since each of our atoms is restricted in how far it can wander between these frequent observations, our wave functions consequently tend to stay quite put.

This explains the theory behind being two places at once! http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2000/10.19/03_marcus.html

yha i dont think it will be posible for humans to imitate this but hey you never know o_O...

I know i saw the movie too, and thought it was pretty weak... but it did make some good points, and I liked how they took care of the religeon segment.

I hate to say it but i doubt your mind is strong enough. That won't be "posible" when you can't even spell properly 😃

Good God... just please start with a basic Wikipedia article or pickup a text book and skim through just a bit. You don't need to understand the mathematics to get the concepts in your head. Entertainment sensationalization of science (like this, earthquake/volcano movies, and that awful movie The Day After Tomorrow) are numbing to the mind. Yes, entertaining, but when you start confusing it for fact, you're falling victim to serious damage.

It's funny how so many people can see that movie and have the arrogance to plead mastery of Quantum Physics. Just go pick up a damned textbook and see how long it takes your brains to ooze out of your nose.

I will agree, however, that the quantum mechanical nature of thought is quite bizzare/totally mysterious, and we might see some more "upscale" stoners after this.

FYI, that Harvard link explains the theory behind nothing.

"Two places at once" is a gross simplification. There's a probability field determined by a formula (the wavefunction) of where you might find a particle. The more you know where it is, the less you know it's energy. The more you know about it's energy, the less you know about where it is.

From this rises the concept of specific areas where particles like to be, such as spheres and other odd shapes of electrons moving at high speeds around the nucleus. They like to stay in these probabilistic clouds. These clouds quantum interactions with each other lead to the concept of the atom, and electron energy levels... From this rises chemistry, and from chemistry rises organic chemistry, then genetics, then cellular biology, classical mechanics, astrophysics, etc.

It's far more twisted than you understand, but unfortunately what you think you understand is in the wrong direction. I seriously suggest you read about it... if you do enough reading and it catches your interest, you can walk down the path I am, and think about this wacky shit for a living.

You're a physicist Toolie? If so, could I get some help on my Quantum Field Theory problem set? 😛

Interesting side note: When Einstein said, "God does not play dice with the universe" he was talking about the use of probability in Quantum Physics. He wanted to find a more definite relationship and wouldn't accept just using probability.

Verman wrote:I hate to say it but i doubt your mind is strong enough. That won't be "posible" when you can't even spell properly 😃

hahah ^_^

Toolie wrote:Good God... just please start with a basic Wikipedia article or pickup a text book and skim through just a bit. You don't need to understand the mathematics to get the concepts in your head. Entertainment sensationalization of science (like this, earthquake/volcano movies, and that awful movie The Day After Tomorrow) are numbing to the mind. Yes, entertaining, but when you start confusing it for fact, you're falling victim to serious damage.

Dude, i just used thouse as a link to bring anyone up to speed with what the topic was about, i just wana hear your thoughts on it not about how dumb you belive i may be, I read alot of Steven Hawkings and a few Physics books, not to say I am a expert on the topic, but i understand any techinical mumbojumbo you can throw at me...

Mikeron wrote:
It's funny how so many people can see that movie and have the arrogance to plead mastery of Quantum Physics. Just go pick up a damned textbook and see how long it takes your brains to ooze out of your nose.

I will agree, however, that the quantum mechanical nature of thought is quite bizzare/totally mysterious, and we might see some more "upscale" stoners after this.

you dont know me... dont comment on my person...

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[QUOTE=Toolie] "Two places at once" is a gross simplification. There's a probability field determined by a formula (the wavefunction) of where you might find a particle. The more you know where it is, the less you know it's energy. The more you know about it's energy, the less you know about where it is.

From this rises the concept of specific areas where particles like to be, such as spheres and other odd shapes of electrons moving at high speeds around the nucleus. They like to stay in these probabilistic clouds. These clouds quantum interactions with each other lead to the concept of the atom, and electron energy levels... From this rises chemistry, and from chemistry rises organic chemistry, then genetics, then cellular biology, classical mechanics, astrophysics, etc.[/Toolie]

What I find so interesting about this whole thing is that Toolie, about how the extent of interlocking levels that work together to create what we actually see as reality! Things that I don’t understand though, why when you actually plot a electron it’s there and only there, but the second you stop recording its location and look away the possibilities are limitless to where it actually is. That does kind of mean something I guess, because it is the unknown because our observer has no input to where it is, so basically it could be anywhere?

Also I think it is awesome how every single level of us, our DNA, our proteins, our cells, out atoms, our brain, our environment, and limitless other factors go into what we see, but what we perceive is something completely different...

Finnaly some good conversation!

Pryme8 wrote:Things that I don�t understand though, why when you actually plot a electron it�s there and only there, but the second you stop recording its location and look away the possibilities are limitless to where it actually is.

Again, it can't just be "anywhere". The PROBABILITY THAT YOU WILL FIND IT SOMEWHERE is determined by a WAVEFUNCTION EQUATION.

This is what leads to energy levels in atomic shells.

I'm not attacking you, but your attempt at "spreading conversation" by spreading misinformation is a bit more than taxing on my patience, and I'm sure on everyone else who has some real idea on what's going on.

o_O i dident mean it as false information, i just wanted to get people conversing!

that why i included the links, they were the reason i posted topic, not to post it and have to explain it half assed to someone, but for them to read up on it then come back here and post their opinion on it >_< Im glad someone who is knowlageable about the topic (Toolie) is a part of it!

A lot of anger comes from those links being very distorted and even factually incorrect. Those things are made just to provide entertainment, not actual information. We're trying to educate you, and save you.

save me from what?

i never said thouse movies were facts, i just posted something realy quick with the general ideas from that whack movie that i watched at like 11:30 at night while i was falling asleep, i just caught some of the stuff.. which i posted o_O

Dude, you repeatedly defend your fucking whack ideas. Just quit it.

no you constantly attack my statments... instead of talking about the topic you would rather pick apart the things i typed in quick...

He can attack your statements because it's clear you haven't researched the topic thoroughly enough and the authority that you are appealling to is quite suspect. He just wanted to make sure you and other people knew that so they didn't believe the wrong things.

I dident resarch it at all, i just wanted to see what people on here knew about it, but because i posted it that means im trying to be a expert and tell all you what to belive, at least thats how some people are trying to make it sound, at no point did I say "I belive I can be two places at once" but I did say thats what some people were saying was posible through quantum physics, so instead of people jumping on me saying blah blah blah your a idiot blah blah blah, i cant belive you think you can do that blah blah blah, why dont you try explaining why sutch things dont work and why they are not possible, so that people do get the real facts, instead of scrolling down the board and seeing nothing but trying to belittle someone else, get a fucken life people, you act like i made the movie....

You're a god damn idiot. You started this thread with no educational merit, and now you've ended it by eliminating any chance that one might learn about elementary concepts in quantum physics other than the fact you're wrong and a link to some very educational Wiki articles.

You're frustrating. None of your topics make any sense. None of your posts are worth reading. It's too bad you can't be banned for stupidity, because I'd make sure that you would stop littering the forums with your nonsense.

ok hmm lets see here, once agian you keep saying they are my ideas they are my theorys and all this other shit, which compleatly makes you the idiot, becuase i dident make the movie, i dident make thouse ideas up i just posted them on here to get a reaction and find out what some real facts are... but you insist they are MY IDEAS... for the 5th time they are not, and my posts do make seince you just keep repating the same things in different ways...

From now on if you start a topic you wana find out things about and dont have any "educational merit" then im gona come on there and say no you are a idiot you dont grow florda oranges so you cant drink orange juice, type shit...

Pryme8 wrote:im gona come on there and say no you are a idiot you dont grow florda oranges so you cant drink orange juice, type shit...

huh?...😮dd:

I don't keep saying that these theories and ideas are yours. I don't believe I once said that these theories are original to you, or implied that. If my language is indicative otherwise, then it's a misunderstanding - you are the one who has brought the theories here. I'm not, and have not, said they were yours. I'm saying that they're completely wrong. I'm saying that if you're interested you should check out valid sources of information. I'm saying that it's upsetting as someone knowledgable in the field to see many people disillusioned by things like this.

And I'm saying you're clearly a dumbass.

Again, what are you talking about?

well i hve a right to defend myself, when someone instantly comes out saying im a idiot for posting somthing like this i am going to defend myself, i have not once defended the stances put forth by the links i posted just my person when people jumped on me instantly as the source for the theorys...

plus you dont know me so to say im a dumb ass is unfair... i couldent be with the carreer i have...

"plus you dont know me so to say im a dumb ass is unfair... i couldent be with the carreer i have..."

Of course we don't know you. All we know is how you post. And they're all dumb. Therefore, you = dumbass.

And don't use your career/college education to justify not being a moron. As someone who has worked at a highly prestigious college bookstore before, I can vouch that the college workers are some of the dumbest people on the planet.

I must posit that it is quite possible that Pryme8's posts are actually rather cogent, rational, and inciteful. Unfortunately, we'll never know, since none of them are in English.

ZomfgIts0rzlolo wrote:"plus you dont know me so to say im a dumb ass is unfair... i couldent be with the carreer i have..."

Of course we don't know you. All we know is how you post. And they're all dumb. Therefore, you = dumbass.

And don't use your career/college education to justify not being a moron. As someone who has worked at a highly prestigious college bookstore before, I can vouch that the college workers are some of the dumbest people on the planet.

who says ive even gone to college? i went right into a profesion that i had been training for sceince i was 8, no I dont have very good spelling, but I have a decently large diction and can comunicate my idea just fine in person thank you very much...

college is a eventual step, prolly here in 6 or 8 years when my contract is up, im just wondering where you got the idea im a college worker?

mmmkay back to quantum physics, Toolie you said you work with this, I saw some of the math equations, how does "E=hf" actualy work?

I was using college workers/teachers as an example. Having a certain career has nothing to do with you not being a moron.

Pryme8 wrote:how does "E=hf" actualy work?

this all reminds me of Napolean Dynamite when he puts the time machine in his crotch and gets his nads shocked

crankhead wrote:this all reminds me of Napolean Dynamite when he puts the time machine in his crotch and gets his nads shocked