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[Chris Miller]

People want me to respect their views, and I do, even if I don't agree with them.
It's not too much to ask the same in return.

[Dechipher]

While I don't disrespect you personally for having those views, it's a little lopsided to suggest that respect is the only barrier, when one side is actively trying to prevent the other side from participating in their beliefs.

For the record, I don't think that abortion is GOOD, I just think that I am not someone who will ever have one, so I don't need to be trying to stop it. I shouldn't be telling a woman what she can do with her body.

[Chris Miller]

I wasn't telling anyone what to do. I was providing a different argument.

[Glenn the Great]

I make a distinction between tolerance and respect. I can tolerate just about any view that a person might have, but respect is earned. I don't respect any opinion that denies a woman's right to have an abortion.

What I would like to see is more discussion on a man's rights in the situation of an unwanted pregnancy.
A man should not be forced to have any legal obligations, such as paying child support, when the pregnant woman decides to give birth to the child over the man's protest.

[Chris Miller]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, then. But I'm not trying to force anything on anyone here. I simply wanted to put another idea out there that might just help someone think about all sides before making a decision. It is not about denying anyone's rights, as I just said above. I simply want to put the idea out that abortion might not be the best idea in every circumstance. If I haven't made that clear, I apologize. I'm not the most eloquent man.
That's all I'm going to say on the subject.

[Gleeok]

I say a woman has the right until month X to choose for herself. End of discussion.

What I would like to see is more discussion on a man's rights in the situation of an unwanted pregnancy.
A man should not be forced to have any legal obligations, such as paying child support, when the pregnant woman decides to give birth to the child over the man's protest.

Ho ho. Wouldn't that be interesting! What if we take that a step further:

Suppose Tom rapes Jerry and Tom goes to prison for 9 months. Now suppose Jerry gets pregnant and decides to keep Toms baby (We'll call him/her Terry). Does Tom have to pay child support for Terry? Or, what rights should Tom have to be able to protest against Jerry's right to sue for child support?!

[Glenn the Great]

Suppose Tom rapes Jerry and Tom goes to prison for 9 months. Now suppose Jerry gets pregnant and decides to keep Toms baby (We'll call him/her Terry). Does Tom have to pay child support for Terry? Or, what rights should Tom have to be able to protest against Jerry's right to sue for child support?!

Tom is already paying his debt to society for raping her... that's why he's in prison.

When Jerry (Geri?) makes the decision to carry the baby to full term, she also decides to take responsibility to provide for that baby. If she can't provide for it, she shouldn't have it.
I don't go and buy a pet that I cannot take care of. Similarly, if someone dumps an animal off onto my property that I am unwilling or unable to take care of, I don't take it into my house.

No woman is *forced* to take care of a baby; there is always a way for her to relinquish control over that child.
For those who just can't bring themselves to destroy a fetus, the child can always be put up for adoption.

Some may make the argument that there are women who cannot emotionally bring themselves to give up the child (either through abortion or adoption), so therefore the man should be forced to provide the resources for her to care for it.
I say to those people that there are drunks and other drug addicts who can't emotionally bring themselves to stop drinking or using, but we don't force others to subsidize their weaknesses.

[Brasel]

I make a distinction between tolerance and respect. I can tolerate just about any view that a person might have, but respect is earned. I don't respect any opinion that denies a woman's right to have an abortion.

What I would like to see is more discussion on a man's rights in the situation of an unwanted pregnancy.
A man should not be forced to have any legal obligations, such as paying child support, when the pregnant woman decides to give birth to the child over the man's protest.

Shouldn't a man have been responsible enough to have attempted contraception in the first place?

[Mercy]

What I would like to see is more discussion on a man's rights in the situation of an unwanted pregnancy.

You have the right to wear a condom and/or have a vasectomy. Your right to decide ends the moment your little swimmers leave the chute. Your responsibility for the actions of your swimmers are still yours to meet. What, that's not fair? Mature females get to cramp and bleed every month or puke, swell, and ache for up to nine months per sprog-fest for the sake of the reproductive cycle.

Some may make the argument that there are women who cannot emotionally bring themselves to give up the child (either through abortion or adoption), so therefore the man should be forced to provide the resources for her to care for it.

If only it were that simple. When pregnancy no longer takes up months of and profoundly alters a woman's life, we can revisit your opinion that pregnancy is merely an emotional inconvenience.

I say to those people that there are drunks and other drug addicts who can't emotionally bring themselves to stop drinking or using, but we don't force others to subsidize their weaknesses.

Yeah, about that.... C'mon, you are not even trying here. It is no secret that there are federal & state* sponsored/funded programmes for addiction recovery.

Suppose Tom rapes Jerry and Tom goes to prison for 9 months. Now suppose Jerry gets pregnant and decides to keep Toms baby (We'll call him/her Terry). Does Tom have to pay child support for Terry? Or, what rights should Tom have to be able to protest against Jerry's right to sue for child support?!

Just like any other man whose intention is merely for a little slap & tickle, he is responsible for the actions of his swimmers. If Tom is lucky enough to live in one of 31 states, he can sue for other parental rights. Paul Ryan and Todd "their bodies have ways of shutting the whole thing down" Akin muddied up the the search engines with their delusions regarding human reproduction last election cycle so I will spare you more citations such as women forced to gestate their rapists seeds because daddy-rapists managed to get injunctions stopping terminations. Anyone who is curious may want to pay special attention to the stories of minors raped by family daddies/uncles/step-daddies and forced to keep the issues, often because their mum's were in denial or complicit. This is me tapping out, though. I have read too many articles and legal journals on rape just while putting this post together and it is making me want to go play with my cats and poke around my garden so I can remember life is not always such an ugly endeavor.



*at least some states...not worth verifying all states as any makes the point.

[Zim]

I say a woman has the right until month X to choose for herself. End of discussion.



Ho ho. Wouldn't that be interesting! What if we take that a step further:

Suppose Tom rapes Jerry and Tom goes to prison for 9 months. Now suppose Jerry gets pregnant and decides to keep Toms baby (We'll call him/her Terry). Does Tom have to pay child support for Terry? Or, what rights should Tom have to be able to protest against Jerry's right to sue for child support?!

31 state something something... I can't see how a state would give someone rights about something that the person would go to prison for.. That'd be like having rights to money I robbed from a bank even when I got caught already..
Tom would have too. Because if Jerry decided to abort even, left with no choice, either path screams restitution.