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    Whelp, CJC said about all I could think to say here. Then again we don't need to get into my crazy political point of view. No need to start a debate here.

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    Terminology is so stifling, but I consider myself a small 'l' libertarian, or if you prefer a constitutional conservative or liberty republican. I campaigned for Ron Paul in 2012 here in MD, and am still active politically.

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    Libertarianism is the sincere belief that it should be 100% legal for Bill Gates to purchase every single inch of land in the state of Washington except for the land on which police stations are located, then round up every single animal on his land, push them through huge robotic meat grinders until they are a fine, pink paste, inject the paste with formaldehyde and artificial strawberry flavors, and sell it to poor kids in the winter as "warm ice cream".

    Because if you tried to pass a law to stop him from doing such a horrible thing, then you would not be a libertarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beldaran View Post
    Libertarianism is the sincere belief that it should be 100% legal for Bill Gates to purchase every single inch of land in the state of Washington except for the land on which police stations are located, then round up every single animal on his land, push them through huge robotic meat grinders until they are a fine, pink paste, inject the paste with formaldehyde and artificial strawberry flavors, and sell it to poor kids in the winter as "warm ice cream".

    Because if you tried to pass a law to stop him from doing such a horrible thing, then you would not be a libertarian.


    Anyone sincerely interested in learning about libertarianism can read this or easily find pages like it.

    http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/libertarianism.html

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    I claim no expertise on Libertarianism, nor am I a Libertarian.

    Now that that is out of the way...

    From what I have always understood about Libertarianism, is that political views are primarily oriented on fiscal concerns, with social concerns always being secondary to that. They would typically be in support of a social program if it either reduces taxes or reduces expenses. If taxes are increased or expenses are increased, they are generally against it. I don't know how many people would be defined as purely Libertarian (you can argue that nobody is purely of a particular political affiliation, at least within their own minds), since we all tend to have opinions on some matters that would result in either increased taxes, or more likely, increased expenses. For example, many might possibly agree with higher military spending if they feel it is out of necessity. While I find that they tend to agree with Republicans somewhat more often than Democrats on various issues, if they do side with one party on a matter, their reasons tend to differ why. Neither major political party represents their general views, but in both cases, they will agree on some issues and clash on others. Overall, Libertarians are generally in favor of less government interference, lower taxes, and thus more power in the individual. My views on such a philosophy are mixed, and thus not supportive enough to consider myself a Libertarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUCCESSOR View Post

    Anyone sincerely interested in learning about libertarianism can read this or easily find pages like it.

    http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/libertarianism.html

    Thank you for posting a link that completely supports my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beldaran View Post
    Thank you for posting a link that completely supports my point.
    So, not trolling.

    That link wasn't for you. It was for people that use their brain. Why would you want to make such a law? That's part of the problem, laws and regulations that protect people from things they don't need protection from. Better yet: why would Bill Gates want do do such a thing? It wouldn't be very profitable. People would not sell their land. People would not buy his warm strawberry ice cream and if they did. If some people loved it, great for them. This isn't the stone age. Its the information age.

    Making a law that safe guards the quality and nontoxicity of processed food products does not violate personal freedom. Furthermore libertarians don't have any sort of prejudice against being non-libertarian. Also, no delusions of a pure libertarian society. It sounds like you are just terrified of crazy 1%ers who want to sell your children porn and cigars... or, god forbid, meat!

    @Nathaniel sounds more like you are describing a Fiscal Conservative. Libertarians believe primarily in personal freedom. They are fiscally conservative simply because a minimal government is very cheap and that money is better served in the private sector. Government basically equals spending. So, less government means less spending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SUCCESSOR View Post
    why would Bill Gates want do do such a thing? It wouldn't be very profitable.
    Companies do horrible, destructive, evil, and mean spirited things all the time just because it's profitable and unregulated. Libertarianism is a misguided philosophy because it does not address these issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by SUCCESSOR View Post
    That link wasn't for you. It was for people that use their brain.
    I resent the implication that I don't use my brain. I've used it at least twice in just the last week.

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    Regulations do not address these issues. Our laws and regulations help corporations stay large and in charge. We've made them too big to fail and too big to jail. These regulations only deter small business while the others step right over and when they are caught they pay a fine and get a slap on the wrist. The best and only sure deterrent of "evil" practices is public knowledge and the court where victims can fight for restitution/reparation. These suits would be much more damaging if our system didn't give these corporations protection. Hell, our "laws" can't even get them to pay taxes.

    Unfortunately in the current state of our country we do not have proper laws and that be effectively enforced nor a truly free and effective press.

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    I don't think I'll gain any popularity points here but I'm Cristian but also transgender... My idea of an ideal politician is one that allows God's word to be spoken in the church but the right of prayer in public places. No one who doesn't want to participate doesn't have to. But at the same token laws to protect LGBT rights. I think Republicans and Democrats are leaders that don't do enough for anyone but themselves and the almighty dollar. I don't know much about Libertarians but I could use advice on the right party for me.

    Note: I'm not trying to preach or put anyone down. I'm just curious who I should vote for or what party to promote so I can have someone to vote for. If this was too off topic just PM me if anyone can help. Thank you.

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