My Shameless self playthough of Zelda 3: The Return of Gannon

[James24]

Grinding isn't only restricted to the blue ring, there's the bow and arrow too.

For someone who likes to have their quest resemble the original Zelda please bear in mind that the original Zelda didn't have kaizo difficulty in either the first or second quest. So if you make that glaring difference then why not make other changes? There are also custom enemies in the quest that aren't in the original Zelda. So if you are willing to make custom enemies then why not change other aspects of design?

You can't get into Death Mountain without the 8 pieces of the triforce. If you have the 8 pieces of the triforce, then presumably you would have beaten 8 bosses and got 8 more heart containers. And yeah, the demo quest was good right up to the point where you had to burn the statue which didn't shoot fireballs.

Finally, if you did restrict Zelda 3's secrets to those three items then you haven't communicated that anywhere to the player. How does the player know that you won't have a burning statue somewhere?

Zoria - I've played plenty of old Nintendo games, Zelda is the only game I know of that uses secrets to hide things essential to game completion without any hint of where it is. Care to name others?

[TheDarkOne]

I've played plenty of old Nintendo games, Zelda is the only game I know of that uses secrets to hide things essential to game completion without any hint of where it is. Care to name others?

Zelda II: The Adventure Of Link.

Pretty much all the Zelda games do such things, it's what makes them so fun, finding all the secrets. For example, in LA I found purely by accident that taking exactly five seashells to Seashell Mansion gets you a free shell--I just happened to have five when I first stumbled upon the place.

[Anarchy_Balsac]

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Okay, the original Zelda didn't have 15 levels either, this is just nitpicking.

And the reason I assume people know this is because it is generally, in Z1 style quests, accepted that these are the only type of secrets that will have no hints. Most quest builders don't do random secrets with no hints unless it's for game breaking items or cheat codes, the acception being the type that Zelda 1 used. So it wasn't unreasonable to assume the player wasn't paranoid, flailing about, bombing trees and burning lakes.

[ZoriaRPG]

Grinding isn't only restricted to the blue ring, there's the bow and arrow too.
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Zoria - I've played plenty of old Nintendo games, Zelda is the only game I know of that uses secrets to hide things essential to game completion without any hint of where it is. Care to name others?

Covering 1985 through 1987:

Bokusuka Wars
Bubble Bobble
Challenger
Dracula II: Norio no Fuuin (CV2)
Getsu Fuuma-den
Goonies II
Gun.Smoke
Higemaru Makaijima - Nanatsu no Shima Daibouken
Ikki
King Kong 2: Ikari no Megaton Punch
Majou Densetsu II: The Maze of Galious
Makaimura (Ghosts and Goblins)
Meikyuu Kumikyoku (Milon's Secret Castle)
Metroid
Section Z
Super Pitfall
Super Xevious
Tower of Druaga
Zelda no Densetsu
Zelda II

I may have missed some.