<SUCCESSOR> The one thing that bugs me about OoT
<SUCCESSOR> If getting the Master Sword allowed Ganon to take over Hyrule couldn't you just go back to being a kid and never pull out the sword? Game over, nothing too bad happened.
<Charizard> the thing is
<Charizard> when traveling back as a kid
<Charizard> its taking place at the point you drew the master swrod.
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<Charizard> *sword
<SUCCESSOR> No you go back right before you drew the MS.
<Charizard> I don't think so.
<Charizard> Where else would Ganon be at this point?
<SUCCESSOR> That's kinda why Link puts it back to back in time.
<Charizard> huh
<SUCCESSOR> Chasing Zelda down.
<Charizard> at the end?
<SUCCESSOR> Who knows? All we know is that Link pulls out the sword and Ganon gets access to the Sacred Realm.
<SUCCESSOR> Without that he can't do much.
<SUCCESSOR> Sure he overthrew the castle but they could take it back.
<SUCCESSOR> He wouldn't have the Triforce of Power giving him a overwhelming edge.
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<SUCCESSOR> Tim will tell you.
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<SUCCESSOR> Either way once you win Zelda sends you back in time and none of it happens anyway.
<Charizard> well
<Charizard> according to HH Zelda and Link manage to convince Ganondorf is evil.
<Charizard> So maybe.
<Charizard> He didn't have access in the SR.
<Charizard> in the child peroid.
<Charizard> of OoT
<SUCCESSOR> Exactly
<Charizard> but regardless it seems only the master sword could take him down.
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<Charizard> and Link was powerless.
<SUCCESSOR> Basically all you are doing is fighting for a divergent timeline that shouldn't exist.
<SUCCESSOR> Basically all Adult timeline games are creations of the Master Sword.
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<SUCCESSOR> Right, Jared?
<Jared> huh?
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<SUCCESSOR> Exactly
<Charizard> I think Link needed the Master Sword to begin with.
<Charizard> Or at least some kind of legenday blade.
<Charizard> You witness Link getting owned without the Master Sword or Triforce of Courage
<SUCCESSOR> tl;dr: >Link pulls out the Master Sword allowing Ganon to enter the Sacred Realm and conquer Hyrule. >Link can go back in time to right before this happened by putting it back. >Link puts the sword back and goes home.
<Charizard> But the thing is.
<SUCCESSOR> Yes but Link is a child
<SUCCESSOR> Hyrule has armies
<Charizard> > armies
<SUCCESSOR> Ganon overthrough the castle but he doesnt have the Triforce of Power.
<Charizard> > Zant slayed all the knights in that one scene
<SUCCESSOR> Obviously Hyrule must have armies.
<SUCCESSOR> But Zant got his power from Ganon who had the Triforce of Power.
<Charizard> Ganondorf would have found Zelda eventually.
<SUCCESSOR> He didnt
<SUCCESSOR> Not until she revealed herself.
<Charizard> its not like Ganondorf didnt do endangering things in the child peroid of the game
<Charizard> i.e sturred up trouble such as killing the Gurdian of the Kokiri
<SUCCESSOR> The Deku tree was reborn.
<SUCCESSOR> He really didnt do much.
<SUCCESSOR> Except maybe kill the king.
<Charizard> 7 years later.
<Charizard> Maybe OoT was a pointless adventure.
<Charizard> But we got some epic shit going on.
<SUCCESSOR> Yes.
<SUCCESSOR> Aslo if he doesn't get the MS we lose most of the best games.
<SUCCESSOR> Because I mean what's left? MM, TP, and FSA?
<Charizard> WW.
<Charizard> I wonder if Zelda should have a second timeline
<Charizard> that has the same lore but not the events in the first.
<SUCCESSOR> WW is an adult timeline game
<Charizard> I know
<Charizard> I was responding to <SUCCESSOR> Aslo if he doesn't get the MS we lose most of the best games.
<SUCCESSOR> I understand now.
<SUCCESSOR> I mourn WW too.
<Charizard> LA...
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<SUCCESSOR> I am not saying it isnt a good story.
<SUCCESSOR> It's just silly that its so simple to just not do it and things are okay.
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<SUCCESSOR> Actually it doesnt make sense.
<SUCCESSOR> TP is in the child era
<SUCCESSOR> How does Ganon have the ToP?
<SUCCESSOR> Maybe they explained it in game and I forget.
<Charizard> because ganondorf invaded the sacred realm or something idk
<Charizard> link and zelda brought him down the justice or something
<SUCCESSOR> That is refering to OoT though
<SUCCESSOR> Adult timeline.
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<SUCCESSOR> Unless there is a missing story of what happens if Link doesnt get the Master Sword.
<_4matsy> Link wins anyway. Zelda 1.
<Charizard> im just going to assume when Link returns the Master Sword to go back to the Child era in OoT.
<Charizard> Ganondorf is in the Sacred Realm.
<SUCCESSOR> That doesnt make sense though
<SUCCESSOR> Ganondorf got access AFTER link drew the MS.
<Charizard> Yeah.
<_4matsy> Sure it does. Zelda 1 and 2 have no Master Sword. Neither do the Four Swords games, no that I think about it...
<Charizard> And he's retruning the Master Sword back from time to time.
<_4matsy> *now
<Charizard> Zelda 1 has the "Magical Sword" which might be a powerful sword like the Master Sword, Phantom Sword, Spirit Sword etc.
<SUCCESSOR> Those take place after Link draws the Master Sword
<Charizard> "Four Swords" same deal
<SUCCESSOR> We're talking about if Link never does.
<SUCCESSOR> Ganon cant take over hyrule without the Triforce of Power which he gets because Link drew the MS.
<_4matsy> oh.
<SUCCESSOR> So Link puts back the sword and Ganon loses.
<_4matsy> Yeah, that makes sense.
<Aevin> Zelda timeline stuff is so convoluted.
<Aevin> Even the official timeline is retconned ...
<SUCCESSOR> Sure the Deku Tree and the King are dead but shit happpens.
<SUCCESSOR> Sealing Ganon doesnt fix that anyway.
<HylianGlaceon> Yeah, the official timeline has so many problems
<SUCCESSOR> BUt I am just talking about OoT
<SUCCESSOR> THough how Ganon got the ToP in TP is beyond me if it is part of the Child timeline.
<TS> If Link didn't draw the Master Sword, we wouldn't have A Link to the Past, and that would be bad.
<TS> >.> <.<
<Aevin> You're arguing that if Link never took the Master Sword, Ganon never would have risen to power?
<HylianGlaceon> From reading about all of it, it seems once TP and the first split came, the timeline began to have a lot of issues
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<SUCCESSOR> Yep
<Aevin> The reason that seems iffy to me is because the Deku Tree and Zelda moved Link forward in order to stop Ganondorf in the first place.
<SUCCESSOR> If Link doesnt draw the master sword(something he could undo anytime in OoT and is undone by Zelda at the end anyway) Ganon doesnt get in the Sacred realm and doesnt Acquire the ToP.
<Aevin> Which is to say ... he would have made a move against Hyrule anyway.


tl;dr:

>OoT Link takes the Master Sword allowing Ganondorf into the Sacred Realm in which he acquires the Triforce of Power and takes over hyrule.
>Link can undo this at any time by putting the Master Sword back and Zelda undoes this anyway once you beat the game.
>Link just puts back the sword and goes home instead of fighting future Ganon and awakening Sages and stuff.
>Shit's okay.

Seriously? What do you guys think of that?