Starting a business

[Brasel]

There's a difference between leading by example and doing your subordinates' work for them. One thing about being a leader is inspiring those who chose not to work hard to work harder, be it from leading by example or through disciplining them.

[Beldaran]

Don't argue with him, Tony. It's been firmly established before that Pryme8 is a genius.

[Brasel]

Don't argue with him, Tony. It's been firmly established before that Pryme8 is a genius.

Oh has it? My mistake then. Sorry Pryme8, you win, your genius outdoes my 3 years of experience as a leader in an Army unit.

[firebug]

Oh has it? My mistake then. Sorry Pryme8, you win, your genius outdoes my 3 years of experience as a leader in an Army unit.

Yeah, because leadership in the army is the same thing as management in the business world. I would never work anywhere my supervisor wasn't willing to do the same work I was. I fucking HATE when managerial-type people come to you and tell you to do something they could have taken 15 seconds to do themselves. I'm not a slave. And they're not my parents. What we have going on here is a trade: My hard work for your money.

How is the trade worth it if you see your 'leader' sitting on his ass doing nothing while profiting like a motherfucker off of your hard work? Anyone would be more willing to help someone make more money (because that's what's actually happening here) if they saw that person was dedicated to the job.

I work at a Steel Mill/Shop. I don't have to deal with a 'corporate ladder' - type situation because my direct manager is also the owner. I come into work happy each day because I know my boss is already going to be there working his ass off and I'm going to be doing something productive right beside him all day long. I hold absolutely no resentment towards him for any reason, and I'm happy to be paid well for my hard work.

I've also worked many places where I was simply an 'employee', where I had to work my ass off for someone who shuffled papers all day long, then came down and told me I wasn't working hard enough. In that environment, no amount of money will be worth my work. I can get a job elsewhere thank you very much. You still have to hold this business and deal with a constant disgruntled employee turnover.

[Beldaran]

Yeah, because leadership in the army is the same thing as management in the business world. I would never work anywhere my supervisor wasn't willing to do the same work I was. I fucking HATE when managerial-type people come to you and tell you to do something they could have taken 15 seconds to do themselves. I'm not a slave. And they're not my parents. What we have going on here is a trade: My hard work for your money.

How is the trade worth it if you see your 'leader' sitting on his ass doing nothing while profiting like a motherfucker off of your hard work? Anyone would be more willing to help someone make more money (because that's what's actually happening here) if they saw that person was dedicated to the job.

I work at a Steel Mill/Shop. I don't have to deal with a 'corporate ladder' - type situation because my direct manager is also the owner. I come into work happy each day because I know my boss is already going to be there working his ass off and I'm going to be doing something productive right beside him all day long. I hold absolutely no resentment towards him for any reason, and I'm happy to be paid well for my hard work.

I've also worked many places where I was simply an 'employee', where I had to work my ass off for someone who shuffled papers all day long, then came down and told me I wasn't working hard enough. In that environment, no amount of money will be worth my work. I can get a job elsewhere thank you very much. You still have to hold this business and deal with a constant disgruntled employee turnover.

I would never hire you. Your attitude is emo-gay-spoiled.

[firebug]

I would never hire you. Your attitude is emo-gay-spoiled.

And I would never hire you. Your attitude is obnoxious and elitist.
Plus, I'd be afraid you'd spend all your time spewing masturbatory I'm-so-smart-and-special-and-the-rest-of-you-don't-deserve-to-have-an-opinion diatribe all over the workplace. It's not so fun working (or even conversing) with people like that.

LOL at emo-gay-spoiled.

[Beldaran]

And I would never hire you.

I'm not real concerned that someone like you will ever be in the position to hire someone like me.

[rock_nog]

Busting your goddamn ass off is not the same as picking up the slack of the people who work below you. That's all I've got to say.

[firebug]

I'm not real concerned that someone like you will ever be in the position to hire someone like me.

Yeah, you're right. You'd need to find someone pretty goddamn masochistic and/or inane willing to hire you.

[Brasel]

Yeah, because leadership in the army is the same thing as management in the business world. I would never work anywhere my supervisor wasn't willing to do the same work I was. I fucking HATE when managerial-type people come to you and tell you to do something they could have taken 15 seconds to do themselves. I'm not a slave. And they're not my parents. What we have going on here is a trade: My hard work for your money.

How is the trade worth it if you see your 'leader' sitting on his ass doing nothing while profiting like a motherfucker off of your hard work? Anyone would be more willing to help someone make more money (because that's what's actually happening here) if they saw that person was dedicated to the job.

I work at a Steel Mill/Shop. I don't have to deal with a 'corporate ladder' - type situation because my direct manager is also the owner. I come into work happy each day because I know my boss is already going to be there working his ass off and I'm going to be doing something productive right beside him all day long. I hold absolutely no resentment towards him for any reason, and I'm happy to be paid well for my hard work.

I've also worked many places where I was simply an 'employee', where I had to work my ass off for someone who shuffled papers all day long, then came down and told me I wasn't working hard enough. In that environment, no amount of money will be worth my work. I can get a job elsewhere thank you very much. You still have to hold this business and deal with a constant disgruntled employee turnover.

It may take your supervisor 15 seconds to do it, but is it HIS job or YOUR job? I agree that it sucks seeing a supervisor sitting on his ass while you work your ass off. Sometimes that paper shuffling is WAY more important than you think it is. Someone has to do it, and a supervisor is supposed to have the experience for it and has already put in his hard work doing the employee part. It sounds to me like you've had some shitty leadership who had some sort of a power trip. Sucks that you haven't had a good leader. Yeah, if the going gets tough, and there is way too much work for the employees to do on their own, yes, the supervisor should dig in and help, but it isn't his job to do it all the time with the employee.