Wow, it's kind of ridiculous how seriously people take this. I never said that it has to be true, I only said that it can't be disproved. All of you know that it's true if you have any sense of logic. I can say that there's a ghost in my room. I probably don't, it sounds stupid, but you can't disprove it.
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You're saying that if I have any sense of logic, then I know that God exists? But, phattonez, I have a great propensity for logic, and yet I do not know that God exists.Originally Posted by phattonez
All men are mortal.
Socrates is a man.
Therefore, all men are Socrates.
My thoughts exactly.
Phattonez, you're the one who brought up God in the first place. I was simply pointing out that yet another argument that young-Earth Creationists often make has bitten the dust, and you turned this into a God debate. I'm fairly confident most of us (with the possible exception of Russ) can agree that even if God does exist, he didn't wave a magic wand and shout "Shazaam!" and instantly create the Earth and everything on it.
Ultimately, my point was that these Creationists are so blinded by faith that they will reject evidence that they can see with their own eyes to keep it, and you've gotta admit that when you start rejecting reality over faith, that's a dangerous path.
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Because no matter what you discover, you cannot disprove that God created the Earth. I'm not saying that you have to believe it, in fact there are plenty of reasons not to, but it just can't be disproved. There are also plenty of reasons to believe it, but I'm sure you wouldn't go for any of them.
No, read more carefully. If you have any sense of logic, then you would know that it is impossible to prove that God does not exist.
invincible - "Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one and everyone thinks that theirs is the only one that doesn't stink."
Elihu Burritt - "Forming characters! Whose? Our own or others? Both. And in that momentous fact lies the peril and responsibility of our existence."
2008 Record (final): 84-78: NL West Champs
Have you noticed how immature we are? We can't even discuss RNA without bringing God and Evolution into it. :)
Anyways, Phattonez does have a point. All he's saying is that you can disprove God (which is true), and you're acting like he's saying the world's flat.
I still don't understand what the existence of God has to do with this article. There is no rule stating that belief and God and the acceptance of the theory of evolution are somehow mutually exclusive. My comments had nothing to do with fundies and their belief in God. I was referring to their blind rejection of evolution.
And Russ, it's kind of hard not to bring evolution into this, being this whole thing is about evolution. Scientists have shown that RNA can self-replicate, which is a major step in working out the origins of life.
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^^It's because you can't disprove what they believe. Even if you prove that chemical evolution could occur, it wouldn't disprove what they believe.
invincible - "Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one and everyone thinks that theirs is the only one that doesn't stink."
Elihu Burritt - "Forming characters! Whose? Our own or others? Both. And in that momentous fact lies the peril and responsibility of our existence."
2008 Record (final): 84-78: NL West Champs
If they believe that chemical evolution can't occur, wouldn't that disprove what they believe? I mean, I don't have so much of a problem with beliefs regarding things that can't be tested, like heaven/hell or what have you, but I think it's different when you're talking about something that can easily be proven one way or the other. No amount of believing you can fly will change the fact that if you hurl yourself off a cliff, you're going to slam into the ground.
Sure, you have a point in that they likely won't change their beliefs regardless of evidence put forth - scientists could grow a life form from a primordial soup in a lab, and they would still claim that chemical evolution is impossible, but at that point, I would hope we, as a society, would have the intelligence to recognize that their beliefs are wrong.
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It's not necessarily that they believe it can't occur, but more that they believe it didn't occur and that it doesn't explain our existence. Experiments like these won't really prove anything to them, it just proves that it could happen. And no amount of evidence will really ever disprove God, which is really what is most important to them.
invincible - "Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one and everyone thinks that theirs is the only one that doesn't stink."
Elihu Burritt - "Forming characters! Whose? Our own or others? Both. And in that momentous fact lies the peril and responsibility of our existence."
2008 Record (final): 84-78: NL West Champs
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