State of Zelda Classic 2.5

[Nicholas Steel]

I believe Zscript needs to be dropped, all THAT has done was open the door to jillions of bugs! I'd be more then happy for you guys to restart from scratch, just make sure you do your research before choosing a new system to base it on (SDL, Allegro etc.) and choose one that best fits your needs!

Freedom's analogy is somewhat perfect in my eyes. fix the big bugs now! (excluding zscript which is currently in a evil incarnation!) and release a version then work on a new one from the ground up!

[Lemon]

Why do you guys need so create so much drama for such a silly thing? You can make a fine game with any of the previous versions of Zelda Classic, and if you don't go in depth to many of the newer features, you can avoid a decent amount of the so-called crippling bugs. Even those though you can avoid as long as you make sure to make plenty of back-ups (I have a folder dedicated to daily backup saves).

You can do more with the program than ever before (Look in the scripting showcase), dev's are working as much as they can, and so are the committed users. You can be as pessimistic as you want about the future, but whatever comes out, we'll get. If they can figure out a way to remove the last 25 big bugs, than hurrah. They can take as long as they need to do it.

[jman2050]

I believe Zscript needs to be dropped, all THAT has done was open the door to jillions of bugs!

1) ZScript is not being dropped. Period
2) Those jillions of bugs are usually all the user's fault. Which is unavoidable in any sort of scripting system. I can add integrity checks of course, but it's really impossible to check for everything.

[jman2050]

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Yeah, I never liked you anyway, and this is why.

[Freedom]

Yeah, I never liked you anyway, and this is why.

Kudos
Go gettum J man

Pointing a finger ain't going to get it done folks, the state of ZC is everybody's fault.
When the devs were busting ass, then people wouldn't test, and follow up on the bugs that they did report.
Others just kept whinning for more more more.
So now it is what it is, and those same people are bitching at the devs.
They gave you your chance and you sat on your asses.
NOW they have things to do in their lives, so go sit on your ass some more and STFU.

And Revfan, you've never brought anything but insult and misery to the community.

[Nicholas Steel]

1) ZScript is not being dropped. Period

2) Those jillions of bugs are usually all the user's fault. Which is unavoidable in any sort of scripting system. I can add integrity checks of course, but it's really impossible to check for everything.

Ok, sorry then! I do agree with some people that Pikaguy should ask around for help in working with the ZC code because at the moment (like he said) he isn't able to really do much with it! The sooner he gets help/started the better it is for the community!

of course, I don't intend to pressure you pikaguy since you hopefully WILL be able to help out at some point in the near future.

[pkmnfrk]

But the thing is, 2.5 is getting stabler than ZC has ever been. And that is awesome. But what I am worried about and kinda still am, is Large Mode. I am just thinking since Large Mode is still being made, it is going to take a lot time for you guys to finish it. Say for example you finish it in January (Large Mode), well, bugs are going to be coming from the new code so that is more bugs to deal with. I am just saying this, without Large Mode, I see ZC 2.5 being released sooner, because of the few bugs for it at this point. However, with Large Mode, I don't know how much time it is going to take as I don't know when it will be finished and what kind of bugs are going to come out of it.

Truthfully, I haven't really been paying too much attention to the community, but I do pay attention to the change log and to the ZC Development forum. In addition, I use ZQuest, Large Mode exclusively. And, I wasn't aware that Large Mode was broken.

Sure, there's a few things that need to be tweaked. Old dialogues need to be resized, etc. But, the major UI bugs I'm aware of (Init Data dialogue freezing, mouse wheel in the tile page, maybe others?) are not specific to Large Mode.

PS. pkmnfrk should be a new developer. *runs*

QFT- er, I mean, naw. >_>

[Shoelace]

Well, since they already put Zscript in and it has been in for Quite some time, you can't just drop it now. That would cause so much destruction. So that won't happen. lol

Well yeah, but it's still Phantom Menace's program. I think the devs should at least go let him know that we're gonna ditch NES consistancy, ya' know? Or, maybe we could just put 'Zelda Classic' to rest and when we rebuild it from scratch, we could call it 'Zelda Classic, But it's Not so Classic Anymore'.

Well I am not saying to ditch it now. I am saying after this release, move on. Zelda Classic of the LoZ clone has come and gone, it is time to move on from it.

Edit: I so didn't refresh the page and there were a lot of replys. >_<

Anyways:

Truthfully, I haven't really been paying too much attention to the community, but I do pay attention to the change log and to the ZC Development forum. In addition, I use ZQuest, Large Mode exclusively. And, I wasn't aware that Large Mode was broken.

Sure, there's a few things that need to be tweaked. Old dialogues need to be resized, etc. But, the major UI bugs I'm aware of (Init Data dialogue freezing, mouse wheel in the tile page, maybe others?) are not specific to Large Mode.

I have been using Large Mode too. It is not broken at all. My point is it isn't finished. And I was wondering the time frame of when it was going to be completed so had an estimated time frame. Because once it is completed the only thing left is fixing the bugs for Large Mode. But we can't fix the future bugs now, and that was why I was wondering a time frame. But yeah, it works great as I hear now, just a lot of things need to be resized and such, like the tilepage. *awaits the new beta so I can work on tiles in Large Mode*

[pkmnfrk]

Well, since they already put Zscript in and it has been in for Quite some time, you can't just drop it now. That would cause so much destruction. So that won't happen. lol

If Zscript was dropped, that would be a major regression. One which would actually cost me money (hey, domain names aren't free).

Well I am not saying to ditch it now. I am saying after this release, move on. Zelda Classic of the LoZ clone has come and gone, it is time to move on from it.

I really thought this happened... Ages ago. An LoZ clone doesn't have a level 4 sword, a level 3 shield or boomerang, a hammer, flippers, magic, roc's feathers, >2 bit colour, hi-fidelity music... I'm running out of things to list, so I hope you get the idea by now.

Edit: I so didn't refresh the page and there were a lot of replys. >_<

Edit: er, me too.

I have been using Large Mode too. It is not broken at all. My point is it isn't finished. And I was wondering the time frame of when it was going to be completed so had an estimated time frame. Because once it is completed the only thing left is fixing the bugs for Large Mode. But we can't fix the future bugs now, and that was why I was wondering a time frame. But yeah, it works great as I hear now, just a lot of things need to be resized and such, like the tilepage. *awaits the new beta so I can work on tiles in Large Mode*

True, when you put it like that. Although, resizing windows shouldn't cause any major bugs, only little ones like "Why is that caption... uh, wayyy over there?"

I too await the next beta, so I can finally understand what _L_ says when he says "Note also that the font choice for the new dialogs shouldn't be considered final just yet."

[Revfan9]

And Revfan, you've never brought anything but insult and misery to the community.

That's what they pay me for, you know.