Founder of Greenpeace: No Proof of Global Warming

[rock_nog]

Oh, that'd be priceless, if we suffered Global Cooling. I mean, one of the big things the global warming deniers would trot out to mock the global warming believers was "Oh, but 30 years ago, scientists were all convinced that we're headed toward a new Ice Age." The thing that bothers me about that crowd is that they seem to have this attitude that, not only is climate change not man-made, but that climate change doesn't even happen, and that it's certainly nothing we should concern ourselves with or waste resources on.

[Starkist]

Climate change happens. Remember, when the Vikings discovered a large island in the Arctic Ocean they called it "Greenland". It is covered in ice today. The mean temperature has been rising and falling for thousands of years.

The True Believes and their messiah, Al Gore, believe two things that are absurd: 1) That man has the ability to cause dramatic and dangerous changes to this planet; and 2) That man can halt and reverse the changes that occur.

Both are signs of hubris. When Mt. St. Helens, here in Washington, can cause more damage to the ecosystem than a billion cars, that is a sign that man and his works are nothing to this earth. When that same ecosystem can thrive only twenty-eight years later, that is a sign that this earth is not as fragile as we are taught in grade school.

Like I said, the climate changes on its own. Pre-modern societies learned to adapt. It is only in the last fifty years or so that man has decided that we will try to alter the earth's climate itself to fit our needs, rather than vice-versa. I am more afraid of what Al Gore and his ilk will do to us and to the earth to stop climate change than I am of what the earth will do to us.

The crusade against global warming is an excuse to take away personal freedoms. Seriously. First, they treat science like a religion. The True Believers use propaganda to convert the masses. (An Inconvenient Truth, anyone?) They seek to punish the infidels, comparing global warming skeptics to Holocaust deniers. They scare people into submission, treating fantasy films like The Day After Tomorrow as a serious warning, and saying that if we DON'T DO SOMETHING NOW!!! then all life on earth will be severely impacted.

Once the world has become True Believers, then government steps in. First it uses incentives, such as tax-breaks for hybrid cars, subsidies for biofuels, etc. After we accept this level of government intervention, then the mandates come. Incandescent light bulbs are being banned. Plastic grocery bags will soon be outlawed. Eventually, having too large a "carbon footprint" will be cause for fines or even worse. (The elites such as the Prophet Al Gore will be exempt, of course.) You will not be allowed to travel where you wish, because of the danger your car poses to the planet.

Most of you will probably say I'm going overboard, but notice that all the things I mentioned are happening now, except the last two. Those are my predictions.

Al Gore and his followers cannot be deterred by facts or logic. They see themselves as on a divine mission to save the earth from the scourge of mankind.

[phattonez]

A lot of those things would be good anyway even without an effect on Global Warming. Being environmentally conscious does not make someone a Global Warming nut.

[rock_nog]

Thank you, Phattonez. Starkist, um... yeah... what's with all the vitriol? I mean, no one here is a global warming "true believer" and yet you keep harping on about it. Just seems a bit random there, like you're trying to raise a controversy when there is none.

[Daarkseid]

Like I said, the climate changes on its own. Pre-modern societies learned to adapt. It is only in the last fifty years or so that man has decided that we will try to alter the earth's climate itself to fit our needs, rather than vice-versa. I am more afraid of what Al Gore and his ilk will do to us and to the earth to stop climate change than I am of what the earth will do to us.

The crusade against global warming is an excuse to take away personal freedoms. Seriously. First, they treat science like a religion. The True Believers use propaganda to convert the masses. (An Inconvenient Truth, anyone?) They seek to punish the infidels, comparing global warming skeptics to Holocaust deniers. They scare people into submission, treating fantasy films like The Day After Tomorrow as a serious warning, and saying that if we DON'T DO SOMETHING NOW!!! then all life on earth will be severely impacted.

Once the world has become True Believers, then government steps in. First it uses incentives, such as tax-breaks for hybrid cars, subsidies for biofuels, etc. After we accept this level of government intervention, then the mandates come. Incandescent light bulbs are being banned. Plastic grocery bags will soon be outlawed. Eventually, having too large a "carbon footprint" will be cause for fines or even worse. (The elites such as the Prophet Al Gore will be exempt, of course.) You will not be allowed to travel where you wish, because of the danger your car poses to the planet.

Wow, what a bunch of paranoid conspiracy bullshit. Seriously, the end result of global warming advocation is just a ploy to rob America of its liberties?

[phattonez]

Well, it's not the most absurd thing I've ever heard. I mean, I've always thought of the environmental movement as more of an anti-corporate movement, at least that's how it is today.

[Starkist]

Wow, what a bunch of paranoid conspiracy bullshit. Seriously, the end result of global warming advocation is just a ploy to rob America of its liberties?

Most of you will probably say I'm going overboard, but notice that all the things I mentioned are happening now, except the last two. Those are my predictions.

Indeed.

[Beldaran]

I just can't believe Starkist is insulting people for believing in things. Pot has sex with kettle.

[Daarkseid]

And the stated purpose of environmentalism isn't to destroy corporations. Its been largely to acknowledge the impact humans have on our environment and then to promote ways of living that lessen said impact, because we still kind of rely on the earth for living.

Corporations, by their nature of being producers of large levels of pollution(just a natural result of the quantities of material they process in the normal goal of making and selling products), have been pressed upon to clean up their processes. They have, but still more crazy elements of the environmental movement refuse to trust corporations, and continue to agitate against them.

What you've done then is taken the activities and views of a minority within a movement and made them the face of that movement, and are now incorrectly labeling environmentalism as an anti-corporations movement.

Starkist is taking his fucked up slippery slope arguments that fundie psychos enjoy so much and arriving at the insane conclusion that Al Gore and people supporting him are acting out of a desire to destroy American liberty, and not actually doing it out of concern that this global warming period might actually be more permanent and long term because of human activity on earth.

[DarkDragoonX]

I just can't believe Starkist is insulting people for believing in things. Pot has sex with kettle.

Yeah, but it's not the same. Global warming advocates don't blindly believe in the right thing, so it's obviously completely different.