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    Know your audience

    Preface:
    I go to Baylor University, where a large majority of the students are evangelical conservative baptists. In other words they are primarily made up of racists, homophobes, and advocates of non-science (or some combination thereof)


    So today I'm sitting in the chemistry class, before class has started and just waiting, working on my computer. There are a couple of other students in the room. One of them starts talking with me about the lecture we attended last night, featuring Nobel Prize winning chemist Sir Harlod Kroto. This lecture was one of the most meaningful and exciting events I've ever attended and I think Professor Kroto is awesome. He lectured on the nature of scientific thought, the direction our society is headed, and what it means to understand and practice "science".

    So this kid says to me, "Yeah that guy was an atheist bastard." He is referencing the fact that Dr. Kroto spoke out against religion's deliterious affect on rational thought. Dr. Kroto spoke of the many individuals burned at the stake by the catholic church as punishment for owning and reading books. He talked about the philosopher Espinoza who was banished from his homeland by the Jewish religious establishment for writing a book about the parts of the old testament that are not logical. He talked about how all of the scientific progress we enjoy is based on the principle of "doubt" instead of "belief".

    So this kid says that Professor Kroto was an atheist bastard. I just say, totally straight faced. "Well, I loved it. I'm an atheist bastard too." He turned around and hasn't said a word since.

    I'm glad Baylor invites honorable people like Harold Kroto to speak. Maybe it will help shed some light on the sad intellectual state of many of its students.

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    Re: Know your audience

    I like to think that someday, at some point in his life, that kid will stop and think, and that he won't necessarily abandon religion, at least he may abandon some of his closed-mindedness. And that it will be thanks to people like Kroto. Wouldn't that be nice? Of course, what's likely is that he'll continue to be an idiot and he'll marry and have kids and raise them to be idiots, too.
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    Re: Know your audience

    lol mason-dixon line

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    Re: Know your audience

    The problem is people are indoctrinated that their belief is absolute. Anyone who makes them doubt it for even a second is automatically a deceiver and therefore evil. What can you do against that?

    That kid doesn't realize it, but he's demonstrating the same sort of ideology the terrorists use to justify themselves.

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    Re: Know your audience

    Quote Originally Posted by Cloral View Post
    The problem is people are indoctrinated that their belief is absolute. Anyone who makes them doubt it for even a second is automatically a deceiver and therefore evil. What can you do against that?
    Build robots that are programmed to exterminate them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cloral View Post
    That kid doesn't realize it, but he's demonstrating the same sort of ideology the terrorists use to justify themselves.
    Exactly. It's the the Christian Right is the American Taliban.

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    Re: Know your audience

    Quote Originally Posted by Beldaran View Post
    Exactly. It's the the Christian Right is the American Taliban.
    Indeed. I'll be heading to your house with my militia ready to enforce my religion with the sword, err, gun, any moment now. In fact, we have our operatives ready in the highest levels of government and the military. Before you know it, the Constitution will be burned, the Federal Government will be abolished and replaced by the leadership of the SBC, and gays will be taken to death camps. Nonbelievers will be given a choice of deportation, extra taxation, or death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starkist View Post
    Indeed. I'll be heading to your house with my militia ready to enforce my religion with the sword, err, gun, any moment now. In fact, we have our operatives ready in the highest levels of government and the military. Before you know it, the Constitution will be burned, the Federal Government will be abolished and replaced by the leadership of the SBC, and gays will be taken to death camps. Nonbelievers will be given a choice of deportation, extra taxation, or death.
    Christians have done it before [read: middle ages]. There's no reason I shouldn't be constantly wary that you'll do it again. I'm just going on history, behavior, and the underpinnings of your genocidal racist despotic infanticidal schitzophrenic flat earth no science creationistic mysogenistic dictator of a biblical god who not only do I not trust for one second, I don't even believe in him.

    Don't try to pretend you don't represent a group of people who obsess over an ancient text written by desert nomads who believed the sun was controlled by magic and who slaughtered their enemies without provocation, their enemies' wives, their enemies kids, their own kids, their own animals, and anyone else who dared to question the supreme authority of the magical being that demanded constant bloody sacrifice to appease his lust for power and brutality.

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    Re: Know your audience

    Quote Originally Posted by Riverman
    at least he may abandon some of his closed-mindedness
    *Sigh* If only that were true. Wouldn't the world be a happy place with sunshinend rainbows and flowers.
    Problem is, the kid is likely surrounded by people, propaganda, etc. that tells him he's right. Once it's been ingrained enough, than no amount of dissuading will change his mind, any more than someone can change our minds about the fact that the sky is blue.

    the sun was controlled by magic and who slaughtered their enemies without provocation, their enemies' wives, their enemies kids, their own kids, their own animals, and anyone else who dared to question the supreme authority of the magical being that demanded constant bloody sacrifice to appease his lust for power and brutality.
    That sounds more Aztec than anything. The original Christians weren't like that, it was only when the greedy ones came around and realized that fear was a good tool to control and opress people that that sect became active.

    Normal religion is fine, I like normal religion, that is to say that which has moved with the times, and no longer hold 15th century or older ideas.

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    Re: Know your audience

    Quote Originally Posted by Beldaran View Post
    Build robots that are programmed to exterminate them.
    I was thinking pretty much along those lines. But you make a great point, that these people that have these retarded beliefs in imaginary friends are the same. If you believe in God and that homos and others than are just plain wrong etc etc, the only difference between you and the terrorists we are supposively fighting is that they believe similar retarded things and are killing people over it.

    Now many religious retards over here may not be directly killing people over their stupid beliefs, but they do like to make things harder and fuck things up. Example being people against abortion and gay marriage. Sure they aren't shooting anyone (most of them) but they are holding society back and dragging it down.

    Anyway, I don't mind people that believe in God, an afterlife, morals, etc. But I don't like people that believe for some reason they have all the answers and everyone must do what they say and other illogical stuff. I mean good will, don't steal, don't murder people, that makes sense for society. But lots of other things don't. The big issue with the middle east is their religion tells them everyone that doesn't believe the same thing as you is evil and you should kill them.

    That's why modern (logical) society should group together, and kill them first.

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    Re: Know your audience

    It is a true bigot who does not recognize the one in the mirror.
    "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord..."
    "In the name of the best within you, do not sacrifice this world to those who are its worst."

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