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    NeoFirst Progress Tracker:

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    Essentially, jman (And others. :p ) have expressed their wishes that a new DemoQuest be created which would display all, if not most of the newest features in ZC. The quest will be called "NeoFirst.qst" and it will be similar to Demo quest in design. (Though not in layout.) It will use as many features as possible, have three dungeons, (One standard hunt for keys, one "gimmick" dungeon, and a third and final "Master dungeon.") And will be between moderate to hard on the difficulty scale.

    Therefore, what we need to do will take place in the following steps, in pretty much this order.

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    1. Discuss what this quest will need to accomplish and exhibit.
    2. Figure out if we're doing a: 1) NewFirst replacement. 2) DemoQuest Sequel. 3) Whole new quest. (Click)


    • Find a useful tileset as well as tiles which will facilitate that need.]
      • 2x2 Link.
      • ALTTP Style Movement complete with frames for the 2x2 Link.
      • Tiles for a Custom boss which will be discussed later.
    • ]Once we have the tileset, we'll need to plan it out. An overworld, complete with at least three themes (Winter area, Spring Area, Swamp, etc. Can be anything, really. Anything at all.) will be necessary. (8x8 minimum, 32x16 maximum, though something closer to the minimum would be nice. :p )


    Actually, concerning the tileset, I was sort of thinking that we should plan out all three dungeons first, and our overworld should follow from their placements.

    • Three dungeons will be made. One will be a dungeon of moderate difficulty. Something along the lines of any given level 6 (Out of 8.) from any random quest. It will be your average key-quest dungeon, maybe one or two gimmicks, but nothing major. It will exhibit the abilities of the Treasure Chests, and the Lockblock Combos, and Tiered Combos. (Which were technically already in, but it's still nice to use them.) They'll be using the Reset combo, of course.



    • A second dungeon will be somewhat more difficult. The Gimmick will be its primary focus here. It can be any of the stereotypical:
      • Forest Temple - Plant vines to ascend, burn trees to continue, play music to make things happen.
      • Water Temple - Raise and lower water levels to go around the temple.
      • Shadow Temple - A Temple filled with illusionary walls, items, sprites, and things to make your skin crawl. Undead optional.
      • Fire Temple - Watch where you step. Possibly an Elevation-based dungeon.
      • YOUR IDEA HERE


    • A Final Dungeon which will feature Ganondorf (Or just Ganon, who knows.) as the final boss. It will be a penultimate dungeon, which will require all of your mental processes to maneuver around, as it will make exceptional use of just about every new feature which can be used toward the dungeon. It'll definitely either be something non-conventional, such as a corrupted Bastion of Angels, ... or the extreme stereotype of the "Final Dungeon Of ur head asplode x 1,000,000." Something like that. Demo Quest was pretty difficult, but not unbeatable, ... and it impressed hundreds, if not thousands over the years. NeoFirst should do the same, only moreso.



    • We'll need to assemble a team of developers to help create the many aspects of this quest. We'll need:
      1. Builders - People to actually construct the quest within ZQuest.
      2. Planners - Creative people to map out the overworlds and the dungeons so they won't be randomly drawn when the time comes to create them. DFW would be wonderful for this, I think, but that's only one of many whos name pops up.
      3. Graphics Artists - (*b*, C-Dawg, Radien, Petoe, Myself, etc.) Tile/Pixel artists who are willing to design the custom graphics for the quest. From what I believe, Gashin (*b*) has been nice enough to lend us his own tileset for NeoFirst. Now we just need the Custom Boss. We'll also need tiles for whatever we plan out for the future, but that comes later.
      4. Midis - We'll need midis for the quest. The thing is, this comes much later for when we have just about 100% of the quest's themes done. A good mood makes or break a quest, and the music makes or breaks the mood.
    • Quest Testers - This will come much, much later, obviously. We'll need a few people to test for bugs, and to make sure that it's at least playable. We'll need two types of testers:
      • Bug Testers - Very diligent people who look in every crack and crevice looking for the occasional blank undercombo, or continue bug, etc.
      • Difficulty Testers - A few brave souls who will go through the quest without any assistance or cheat codes whatsoever, who will see if the quest is playable by the intermediate players out there, and at least able to be admired from a relative distance by the TLOZ Newbies out there.


    • When the quest is done, we'll need a little bit of space to upload the files to. We'll also need a few tantalizing screenshots. Maybe even someone to write up a brief FAQ for the quest could help a little with that.


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    So, what are everyones' thoughts? Remember, this quest is meant to be two things:
    • A Demo Quest for the new generation of ZC. Short but sweet, and very detailed.
    • An exhibition as to most, if not all, of ZC's new features.


    3/18/06 - I am not hiring anyone to work on the project just yet. As it stands, NeoFirst is still in the planning phases, and no real "work" may be done until it's thoroughly planned out. We need to find a good tileset which we can work with. Initially, I'm thinking about using the DoR Tileset (By Radien.) or the PTUX Tileset (By Mr. Z.) I'm also waiting for Gashin (*b*) to show off more screens from his tilesets. He has quite a few nice things in development. If any of you guys have any suggestions as to what set we should be building this in, please feel free to come forward (In the appropriate thread!) and say it. Also remember that whatever graphics (Tileset.) are used, will undoubtedly be duplicated in many future quests, as this quest will become a standard amongst users new to ZC.


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    This post by IDK:
    This will act as the checklist of features we should be displaying.

    Here's a checklist of sorts of things that, imo, must be in the quest: (in no particular order)

    --Treasure Chests
    --Appearing Treasure Chests
    --Triggering things in order & other uses for tiered secrets
    --A Custom Boss
    --Cutscenes
    --Title or Intro Screen
    --Sprites that you can talk to on the overworld
    --Multi-warps (if you're using the latest beta)
    --A timed warp (for whatever purpose, like with the cutscene or custom boss, or a minigame)
    --All items that were not in the original LoZ (hammer, hookshot, din's fire, superbombs, lens, flippers, etc.)
    --True Arrows,Quivers, & Arrow Ammunition
    --Bomb Bags & Bomb Ammunition
    --Slashing (by default or learning it later in the quest, either way)
    --A lot of Push Block Puzzles with 'Block Trigger' flags
    --Weather or environmental effects, such as Rain, Snow, Fog, Heat, Underwater, Poison, Wind, or any combination thereof.
    --Combo Cycling for things like spikes that go up & down, or retractable walls that go back up x seconds after being triggered.
    --All enemies since the original should be included as well, and used carefully too (in other words, don't just pack together herds of death knights to show them off & make an area riduculously hard)
    --At least 1 Link-Tile Mod (other than for the shields)
    --Magic System (demonstrates how to set up the magic meter, shows off magic jars, use a magic enhance room type, etc.)
    --Direct Warps
    --Use of the Reset Room Combo
    --Lock Blocks & Boss Lock Blocks
    --Freeform Dungeons & Off-center Doors
    --Use of Room Carry Over Data
    --Inherent Flags
    --Inherent Flags combined with Cycling Combos
    --Use of Initial Data (perhaps have the player start with an item you usually don't begin with or have more or fewer heart containers when beginning
    --Save Combos
    --Heart Container Pieces
    --The latest Subscreen Type
    --Autowarp Combos
    --Multiple Undercombos
    --Over & Under Bridges
    --Bushes & Flowers
    --Layers & Autolayers
    --Eyeball Combos
    --Enemy Shadows
    --Water & Shallow Water
    --Dmap Titles & Intro String
    --Linked Strings

    Pretty much anything you can think of that was not in the original game should be in this quest--it'd be great for veterans & newbies alike. It'd be nice to see everything new that you can do in one quest that you couldn't do years ago and it help teach different techniques.
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    Re: NeoFirst Progress Tracker:

    NeoFirst Progress:
    4/3/06

    Currently: Creating Combo Page Optimizations of the DoR Tileset by Radien.

    Shoelace has been assigned the task of designing Level 1 based on plans made by LinkTheMaster. NOTE: He must wait until he has recieved the DoR Tileset Combo Page Optimizations I will make.

    The Overworld is being planned out on paper, and will be scanned and exhibited for comments.

    L2 is also being planned on a nice pixelmap.

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    Re: NeoFirst Progress Tracker:

    I've got more progress. ... ... (Obviously.)

    Rather than simply making a list of what I've done and what I haven't, I can simply show you.

    NeoFirst Alpha 1 - 4/14/06. Use ZC 2.11 Beta 10 b.

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    Re: NeoFirst Progress Tracker:

    What's this alpha contain? When I start it, all I get is a garbage combo scrolling acros the screen. And looking at it in ZQ only shows a few screens done.

    Very nice combo arrangement though.
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    Re: NeoFirst Progress Tracker:

    (Edited out. Never mind, entirely my fault. Wasn't paying attention.)

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    Re: NeoFirst Progress Tracker:

    Wierd.
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    Re: NeoFirst Progress Tracker:

    I think Link's animation is screwed up as well. I tried using the magic wand (through cheats), and he faced the wrong way both up and down.

    Hey BH4, you want me to fix Link's animation problem and clear out the strings and music (since some DoR stuff is loaded at the moment), then send the file to you to be reuploaded?

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    Re: NeoFirst Progress Tracker:

    Quote Originally Posted by jman2050
    What's this alpha contain? When I start it, all I get is a garbage combo scrolling acros the screen. And looking at it in ZQ only shows a few screens done.

    Very nice combo arrangement though.
    @ Latter Portion Of Post: ... Well, that's what I've been doing. :p I don't want to start anything until I get that down well. Concerning the dungeons, I think that we can add whatever we need to add for the more "unique" areas later, but until then, we're supposed to be assembling something that newbies and the more advanced people can build in just as easily. Once we have THAT part down, we can work on the individual quest itself.

    I mean, I think it's a matter of priority. Nobody really has a 2.11 tileset yet. There is also no real 2.11 "tutorial" quest. There are, however, several 2.11 quests being worked on. (Possibly even as I type this. ) So that's the order of construction that I'm thinking of.

    So look at the combo and tiles pages. I seriously need to organize them, but I figure we can do that part together. If anyone wants to take a crack at it now, I can go back to the planning phase (Away from physical construction.) while whoever one person it is wants to. Just work faster than I am. You probably have more physical time to do it than I do anyway. @ @.'

    jman: So, obviously, there will be "garbage" screens. I'm testing things out. I'm also assembling many combo aliases. Granted, there aren't many up there yet, but that's only because I've been focusing on the combo pages, AND, that combo aliases can't be copied or moved like a regular combo page. Heheh.


    Sir_Johnamus, quit spamming up the progress thread, thanks?

    Rakki, like I said earlier, this is an "As Is" copy. I'm mostly working on the combo pages, but the link tiles can be done later. We're still deciding on a 2x2 link, but I'm really sort of thinking it should be a 1x1 link, but with spillover into the nearby tiles for the support of the pixels that would've been cut off had it only been 1x1 link. Know what I mean? I should mention that in the link thread though.

    Besides; one thing at a time.

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    Re: NeoFirst Progress Tracker:

    Okay! We've got ... a few screens!


    This Pre-Alpha contains a display of one phase of the combo layout, as well as a few unfinished screens. I'm still in the combo-page setup phase, as I want to get that done before anything else. After all, it's the foundation of the quest.

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    Re: NeoFirst Progress Tracker:

    Not bad. Although I did notice that some of the animations aren't set right. Some need to be pushed back a couple of tiles.

    But, on the whole, a good beginning.
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