Oh yeah, that's pathetic.

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03-05-2002, 12:17 AM
DarkDragoonX

Oh yeah, that's pathetic.

:eyebrow: What the hell is up with all of these stupid dance/music/rythym games all of the sudden? By the gods, it's the most pathetic thing I've ever heard of! Playing a dancing arcade game? Go to a club! Playing music or rapping? Get a mike and an instrument, genius! I mean, simulated sports are bad enough, but when you have simulated dancing and sining, which can be done anywhere, anytime, that's just so sad. Honestly, why not do something more productive? Play a game with some substance, read a good book, fall into a coma, they're all good alternatives!
03-05-2002, 12:24 AM
Skatche

The thing is, though, that dancing isn't simulated if you're really moving your body, especially your feet. While it's true they could just go to a club, games like DDR provide a real challenge and a decent workout, and the style of dancing is different from anything you'll see on a dance floor. Plus it's just fun. If you don't enjoy it yourself, I can understand that, but don't knock it. There are those who enjoy it, just as there are those who enjoy old 8-bit games.
03-05-2002, 12:25 AM
Master Ghaleon

I feel the same way about the stupid dance type games, but I do like the sports games. I dont get why people would buy a game like that. People need to think of better and new ideas for games!
03-05-2002, 12:25 AM
Daarkseid

Re: Oh yeah, that's pathetic.

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Originally posted by DarkDragoonX
:eyebrow: What the hell is up with all of these stupid dance/music/rythym games all of the sudden? By the gods, it's the most pathetic thing I've ever heard of! Playing a dancing arcade game? Go to a club! Playing music or rapping? Get a mike and an instrument, genius! I mean, simulated sports are bad enough, but when you have simulated dancing and sining, which can be done anywhere, anytime, that's just so sad. Honestly, why not do something more productive? Play a game with some substance, read a good book, fall into a coma, they're all good alternatives!

Well first off, real dancing doesn't award points for getting proper dance step combos. You see the game Dance Dance Revolution? The point was to step in the proper sequence the game gave you, and the best way to do well was to be fast and follow a pattern of sorts, so it looked like Dancing. Besides, real Clubs are scary, not like Arcades where everybody else is as dumpy and worthless as you are.
03-05-2002, 12:45 AM
DarkDragoonX

0o0o0o0o0o, points and combos! Well, that changes everything, doesn't it? :rolleyes:
03-05-2002, 02:07 AM
Warlock

Hey, these things have been around forever.. doesn't anyone rememeber "Dance Aerobics" for the NES with the god-aweful Power Pad? :D haha.. my friend had that.. needless to say we didn't play it much cuz it sucked. Track and Field was the only semi-decent Power Pad game and that sucked too :D
03-05-2002, 10:11 AM
Arcayn

This falls into the category "Japanese weirdness", together with fishing simulators (with actual rod! yawn..), horse race sims (with actual (somewhat) horse!) and train simulators. I'm not kidding you. Oh, and of course sports and dating sims as well.

For me the point of games is to do something you couldn't in reality... immerse in a world of fantasy, or be a one-man army, things like that. It's called immersion. Hence, should those other games be called, "unimmersion?" Anyway, they don't interest me.
03-05-2002, 11:30 AM
Overlord

Personally, I've never played any dancing games or anything. Although DDR seems to be fairly popular. Ask Nightmare, he's addicted to the thing ;)
03-05-2002, 02:21 PM
Daarkseid

Yeah, according to your reasoning, DDX, we may as well fuck the Simulation genre altogether("Dating sims? Go find yourself a REAL date" "Simcity? Why don't you go get elected mayor of a city and then you can manage a REAL city!" "SimEarth(old game)? Why don't you just become God, then you can REALLY manage a planet!").

I'll leave it at that.
03-05-2002, 03:34 PM
AlexMax

DarkDragonX, aren't you being a little bit closed minded here? I mean, just a month ago, you were complaining about how much people were hacking on Lunar 2 and saying how it sucked.

Well, for one, I happen to like dancing/beat games. I don't very much like Dance Dance Revolution. The music is good, but I don't live near an arcade, and I don't want to bother buying a ghetto dancepad to play it on.

But then, there is Frequency. Ah yes...sweet Frequency. All you have to do is pump that shit through some stereo headphones or some Surround Sound (Sadly, it doesn't support Dolby Digital 5:1), and actually PLAY the game. The game does sound stupid in practice, but I picked it up and played for hours on end, not realizing how hooked I was until I finnished, and got the urge to do it all over again.

And why not just track music instead of doing remixes on Frequency? Do you have any fscking idea how HARD it is to track professional-sounding music? I'm not talking about crapola MIDI's that sound different on every computer, or stupid little MOD's with four channels and 8 bit samples. I'm talking about HIGH QUALITY TRACKING (XM, IT)

Take a look at this pic from FastTracker 2:

http://www.gwinternet.com/music/ft2/...tware/ft2a.gif http://www.gwinternet.com/music/ft2/...tware/ft2b.gif http://www.gwinternet.com/music/ft2/...tware/ft2c.gif http://www.gwinternet.com/music/ft2/...tware/ft2d.gif

Yikes!

Now take a look at Frequency:

http://www.gamesfirst.com/reviews/jf...dump_14-01.jpg

Which would YOU rather make music with? Granted, you can only remix stuff that has already been done, but isn't that better than trying to scounge up instruments and samples, learning all the different special effects and tracking a whole new tune? (I'm not bashing Trackers, by the way)

And Dating Sims? Don't knock them until you play a good one. I mean it. There are the pure 'sim's' that have you scheduling your activities on a day in day out basis (True Love) and some that play more like an interactive story (Season of the Sakura). Either way, they are masterpieces, and shouldn't be trashed unless played for more than five minutes.

That is ALL I have to say. Now shut up, before I start regretting buying Lunar 2.
03-05-2002, 03:40 PM
vegeta1215

Where else can you play a video game and get an aerobic workout at the same time? :D

I haven't played DDR, but it looks neat. I'm not sure I'd be good at it, cause I'm not a good dancer. Plus I'd probably feel dumb doing it, but I'd still give it a shot.

Yeah, DDX, don't knock it if you haven't tried it yet.
03-05-2002, 04:16 PM
Mak-X

Geez, what's with all these people playing RPGs? You walk around talking to mindless people that give the most ridiculous responses "MY DAD OWNS THE FARM", "THE CAVE OF MONSTERS IS NORTH OF THE FOREST". Battles are ridiculous. You walk along and BAM! the screen goes whisy washy and the battle begins but that's the most exciting part! Your characters just stand there and you issue them commands! Going on quests and forming parties? Go on an adventure in real life, why waste your time in a imaginary world when you could save or conquer the world you live in? Just grab a bunch of friends and your weapons of choice and take on suburban hippes and cults and for monsters fight ferocious creatures such as the Flying Squirel, Crows, and if you can travel to other continents, Lions and Komodo Dragons! If your too scared, you could always write a book on things you would have liked to have done or play real role playing games with dice and real people, and DMs, manage your on statistics, and map your own world. Why, you could even create your own world far beyond the limits of a pathetic video game rpg.
03-05-2002, 04:16 PM
AlphaDawg

I tried DDR at Nightmare's arcade last Thursday night. I sucked at it. It made me feel 15 years older. I couldn't keep up with even the slowest song on the easiest level.

After playing games that rely solely on good hand-eye coordination for 15 years, a game that requires good foot-eye coordination is going to require a lot of getting used to. Maybe I'll try again sometime, I dunno.

I will say Nightmare's pretty good at it, though.
03-06-2002, 03:49 PM
AlexMax

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Originally posted by Mak-X
Geez, what's with all these people playing RPGs? You walk around talking to mindless people that give the most ridiculous responses "MY DAD OWNS THE FARM", "THE CAVE OF MONSTERS IS NORTH OF THE FOREST". Battles are ridiculous. You walk along and BAM! the screen goes whisy washy and the battle begins but that's the most exciting part! Your characters just stand there and you issue them commands! Going on quests and forming parties? Go on an adventure in real life, why waste your time in a imaginary world when you could save or conquer the world you live in? Just grab a bunch of friends and your weapons of choice and take on suburban hippes and cults and for monsters fight ferocious creatures such as the Flying Squirel, Crows, and if you can travel to other continents, Lions and Komodo Dragons! If your too scared, you could always write a book on things you would have liked to have done or play real role playing games with dice and real people, and DMs, manage your on statistics, and map your own world. Why, you could even create your own world far beyond the limits of a pathetic video game rpg.

"MOM! GET ME SOME TOWELS!"

"What's wrong dear?"

"Mak-X's sarcasem is oozing out of his ears and getting all over the place!"

Hehe...that was cold Mak-X.

I wonder when DarkDragonX will show himself again in such a crowd. ^_^
03-06-2002, 04:29 PM
DarkPanther

For a minute there, I thought I was going to be the only one standing up for this sort of thing, and now I'm in the majority. :tongue: Anyways, I think people who hate dance games just haven't seen it done WELL yet. They've probably only got a look at the fat kid with less rhythm than an opera singer stompin' away at it. After I saw this one kid do it, and he was WIKKID good, I coveted the stupid machine. And yeah, my life and view of music changed after buying Frequency. :laugh:

AlexMax - Did you beat that game on Expert yet?
03-06-2002, 04:36 PM
Mak-X

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Originally posted by AlexMax
Hehe...that was cold Mak-X.

I wonder when DarkDragonX will show himself again in such a crowd. ^_^

ehh...Daarkseid did it first and I only copied, I guess I was being too insulting now that I think about it...I didn't mean to necessarily insult DDX if that is what happend. Sometimes I think something I will write is funny but may be insulting if not taken in a joking manner. I like RPGs. I apoligize if you took offense DDX. I did this once with TSA but I started another topic, so I didn't need to do it this way. You didn't really have to qoute the whole thing Alex...
03-06-2002, 06:15 PM
ShyGuy0824

y'know, when I read the first post here, I agreed with DarkDragoonX. Although dancing games are respective sims, I just don't see how someone wouldn't want to go to a dance or something instead. Maybe if it was really virtual and you could do breakdancing(that would take a ton of technology), but honestly people do look ridiculous when they do those dancing games with the stomping and the whatnot. If I want exercise, I'll go run a mile. If I want a fun game, I'll play something that will exercise my mind. Maybe it's just the irrational association of exercise and video games that makes me dislike dancing games, but the very idea of it seems ludicrous. I dunno...I probably just haven't played a good one recently or something, but for now dancing games don't float my boat either. I guess that my real problem with the game is that it appears(I may be wrong) that dancing games are like musical whack-a-mole, and it just doesn't interest me.
03-06-2002, 06:55 PM
DarkPanther

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Originally posted by ShyGuy0824
honestly people do look ridiculous when they do those dancing games with the stomping and the whatnot.

That's exactly what I'm talkin' about. You just need to see someone who knows what they're doing. ;)
03-06-2002, 07:38 PM
Sfon

Quote:

Originally posted by Arcayn
This falls into the category "Japanese weirdness", together with fishing simulators (with actual rod! yawn..), horse race sims (with actual (somewhat) horse!) and train simulators. I'm not kidding you. Oh, and of course sports and dating sims as well.

For me the point of games is to do something you couldn't in reality... immerse in a world of fantasy, or be a one-man army, things like that. It's called immersion. Hence, should those other games be called, "unimmersion?" Anyway, they don't interest me.

I don't see much point in fishing gmaes either, but maybe I'm missing something.

I don't play horse race sims, but I can understand why other people would. Taking care of a horse, training it, etc is a huge commitment. Horse race sims allows those of us who don't want to make it our life to enjoy something like that.

Train simulators? Not sure what you are talking about there. Do you mean simulating what it's like to be a passenger in a train? I agree that would be stuped. If it's running a train or managing many trains, on the other hand, that's different. Even though it is technically possible, running/managing real trains is something few of us will get to do in real life, especially if we don't want to make it our life's work. If it's managing many trains, than you must also be saying model train sets are also pointless.

As for sports sims, how else do you plan on managing an entire team in professional sports? Sure, it's technically possible in real life, but most of us have the same chance of ever getting to do that as we have of ever getting to cast magic. Same goes for racing. I love racing games. F-Zero is one of the two SNES games I like the most. Same thing with that. It's racing for the rest of us, those who don't have the money/time/will to make it our life's work. Also, both sports examples I mentioned come with risks in real life. There are no risks in playing video games. If I'm playing a racing game and crash, it's no big deal no matter how realistic the game is. If I totaly flunk at managing my team, I can just hit reset and try again. Not only that, but a manager/coach of a team in real life cannot control and be every one of the players like you can in a game.

As for dating sims, maybe you're a real atteactive ladies man who can go out and have sex with anyone you want, but many of us aren't that lucky. Sure, it's not real sex and women, but it's as close to have many lovers without risk that people like me can ever get to. Not only that, but bashing dating sims is also bashing romance novels, all forms of pornography, and even fantasizing. Even some people who have attractive lovers enjoy those things. What you are saying is like saying "Why fantasize when you can date and have sex for real?"

As for dancing things, if they only involved punching buttons on a controller, I'd agree that they were stuped. But these dancing things sound like they add things to real dancing. I don't say sims because if you are really dancing, it can hardly be called a simulation.
03-07-2002, 07:46 AM
Arcayn

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Originally posted by Sfon

I don't play horse race sims, but I can understand why other people would. Taking care of a horse, training it, etc is a huge commitment. Horse race sims allows those of us who don't want to make it our life to enjoy something like that.

Point taken. It is just that this type of game seems mundane to me, and therefore I would'nt want to play it.

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Originally posted by Sfon

Train simulators? Not sure what you are talking about there. Do you mean simulating what it's like to be a passenger in a train? I agree that would be stuped. If it's running a train or managing many trains, on the other hand, that's different. Even though it is technically possible, running/managing real trains is something few of us will get to do in real life, especially if we don't want to make it our life's work. If it's managing many trains, than you must also be saying model train sets are also pointless.

The type of train sim I had in mind was actually one specific arcade train sim. You drive a train, across a railroad. There's this handle for accelerating and braking, and that's it. No gaps in the track or somesuch, just plain how driving a real train would be. Which IMHO makes for a lame game.

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Originally posted by Sfon

As for sports sims, how else do you plan on managing an entire team in professional sports? Sure, it's technically possible in real life, but most of us have the same chance of ever getting to do that as we have of ever getting to cast magic. Same goes for racing. I love racing games. F-Zero is one of the two SNES games I like the most. Same thing with that. It's racing for the rest of us, those who don't have the money/time/will to make it our life's work. Also, both sports examples I mentioned come with risks in real life. There are no risks in playing video games. If I'm playing a racing game and crash, it's no big deal no matter how realistic the game is. If I totaly flunk at managing my team, I can just hit reset and try again. Not only that, but a manager/coach of a team in real life cannot control and be every one of the players like you can in a game.

You mention sport management sims and a futuristic racing game. I meant ordinary sport sims such as FIFA soccer, etc, where you just bash some buttons to simulate the real sport. Management sims are actually interesting in my opinion, for the reason you pointed out. I also enjoy F-Zero. Which is not a sports game.

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Originally posted by Sfon

As for dating sims, maybe you're a real atteactive ladies man who can go out and have sex with anyone you want, but many of us aren't that lucky. Sure, it's not real sex and women, but it's as close to have many lovers without risk that people like me can ever get to. Not only that, but bashing dating sims is also bashing romance novels, all forms of pornography, and even fantasizing. Even some people who have attractive lovers enjoy those things. What you are saying is like saying "Why fantasize when you can date and have sex for real?"

Yeah... you're right on that one. But it's just not what I'm looking for in a game. If I want to fantasize, I'll use a photograph or look up some porn on the internet. Romance novels also don't interest me, because they are often poorly written. "True" novels with romance elements are a whole different story altogether of course.

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Originally posted by Sfon

As for dancing things, if they only involved punching buttons on a controller, I'd agree that they were stuped. But these dancing things sound like they add things to real dancing. I don't say sims because if you are really dancing, it can hardly be called a simulation.

Agreed. Still, not my cup of tea.