I'm kinda meh about it but I figured a good half of you guys would probably have a heart attack so here goes.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6193283...stnews;title;0
Chrono Trigger remake for the DS. No new graphics, but they're adding a new dungeon.
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I'm kinda meh about it but I figured a good half of you guys would probably have a heart attack so here goes.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6193283...stnews;title;0
Chrono Trigger remake for the DS. No new graphics, but they're adding a new dungeon.
Meh.
Kinda cool.
I'd be a bit more excited if there had been some kind of visal improvement. I'm not talking 3-D here, I mean just more detailed sprites, better spell efects (A la FFTactics2), and some more detail in the maps.
if it's just a straight port, + 1 dungeon and touchscreen...I dunno...
Meh.
Tell you what Square, make a new Chrono game instead of yet another port of the original and maybe I'll get more excited.
I wish they'd expand on the Chrono Trigger game itself, that style with new ages, that would be good. a true sequel
what shit. they can have great remakes of other franchises (mainly the million makes remakes and ports of the FF series, blah), but CT fans get ripped every which way to sunday. a new dungeon? touch screen controls/menus? who cares. they arent doing dick otherwise. i'd rather see re-drawn 2d sprites. the DS's 3D just doesnt look good to me.
pass.
i got CT on my psp anyways.
I read the headlines this morning, but none of them said anything about whether it was a port or a remake, or whether there would be anything new at all. (like an extra dungeon for example) So I'll wait until Square confirms this. However...
...Chrono Trigger is perfect. Perfect! Square should not remake it like they have with Final Fantasy titles. A port with possible extras I am okay with so long as they don't interfere with the original game.
Look, as I said, all I want is some retouched sprites, more detailed animations, and a bit of new content. Is that REALLY too much to ask for?
oh, and who wants to bet that the new dungeon will be that one they had originally planned to put in, but had to remove due to time constriants. Something in the prehistoric era. Mount...some-thing-or-other...
...I put up 500 Pineconn Dollars on that.
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One new dungeon and touchscreen usage brings forth a major wtf. This prolly would be a better release for the PSP. Aside from that, they need to make a new game in the series. It's been too damn long. :mad2:
I had a big discussion with BigJoe about this today. I actually prefer when these things either don't do much to the original game or radically change it. Minor change for the sake of trying to hide that you're selling me the same game twice doesn't cut it.
For example, if it were a straight port, I'd say good enough. Adding a dungeon makes me worry because that tends to mean new equipment; as if the New Game+ didn't make the game broken enough ;)
I do support more extensive (and less censored) translations, which is why I liked the GBA FFIV port. I didn't like it's whole "play as people that are presumed dead" change, but I was glad to see a more authentic translation.
What I'd really like to see is better fleshing out of the stories; a lot of the CT universe just seemed really shallow (like Ayla's time period) compared to the amount of detail that was put into others (like 600 A.D. and 1000 A.D.) The future time period was little more than a bridge between other periods; I think there was some missed potential there. Also, that Frog vs. Magus confrontation ending was mean; I'd like to see that resolved.
So I am not as excited as I could be, but I know I'm going to end up getting this. I actually wrapped up a playthrough about 2 months ago, so by the time this comes out I ought to be craving it again :)
You're worried about play balance? Why? All this new crap is always at the end of the game *anyways*, and it's not like all of us haven't already beaten the SNES version a million times already (I know I have). Frankly, it would be disappointing if they *didn't* add something.
I just hope the new dungeon is cool. As an example - new dungeon in FFIV Advance was great. It added "ultimate weapons" for all the characters, was actually really challenging, and even had some story elements associated with it. On the other hand, new dungeon in FFVI Advance was a little generic, and was generally a cave with I think dragons. It had some decent puzzles, but overall I didn't feel it was as cool as the FFIV one.
I have a feeling they'll do good here though. They have a lot to work with at least. I mean, hell, maybe they'll even do a new dungeon that spans the different time periods. How cool would that be? :)
Anyways, really hoping this leads to a port of Seiken 3. Of all Square games (that are not Final Fantasy), that one desperately needs to leave Japan. It was a great title. On the plus side, Heroes of Mana was actually a distinct prequel to this game (as in, half of the characters were parents, etc of the heroes of SD3, the locations were all the same, etc). So at least that game is on Square's mind :P
P.S. - There are enough load times on the PSX version (ugg), why would you want this on the PSP? :P That being said, I hope they include all the cutscenes from the PSX version in this ;) DS can definately handle it - and hell, Square has already been loading their DS titles up with them recently anyways.
They need to make a fully 3D Final Fantasy XII quality Chrono Trigger remake with full symphonic music for the PC and current gen consoles. Until they do that, Square is dead to me.
Warlock, the reason Chrono Trigger on PS1 had load times was because it was a shitty port. Infact, it was psuedo emulation which was part of the reason it sucked so bad. Had they actually ported the game it would have been fine.
True but anytime you are dealing with CDs you are going to face *some* kind of loading situation.
Also, given that it's Square, do you trust them to do the port right this time? :P
If you look at top end games, despite being on CD load times were not so obvious. A great example is Marvel Super Heroes Vs Street Fighter on Saturn.
And no, I imagine this remake will be a letdown too.
That would be true...if it was a remake.
>_> It sounds like a straight port with a few small bonus feature thrown in. I love the game and all, but... man..you can only take it's reputation so far on it's own. if it's coming out on a new system, it needs to be a bit more than what it used to be.
They mentioned used of dual screen and touch screen, thus it's not a port. Also if they do not use the same hacky emulation of the SNES game, then it's a remake and not a port.
I just think all this is such a waste when you could be porting it to PS2 or PSP. But I guess they just figure the DS is such a large market, which it is. But it's also home to the most piracy.
The presence of piracy doesn't change how the decision to port the game plays out.
The DS has a huge fan base, and consists of many people that have proven in the past that they are interested in portable ports of old Square games. Most of the people that obsessively played the games at the time of their release own a DS. It's pretty much a guarantee that they will reach a huge portion of their target audience by releasing on the DS.
On the PS2 or PSP, they don't have the same demographics. In case you haven't noticed, there's a slight divide between gamers who like "mainstream" games and those that don't. My opinion is that most people who don't like them don't have a PSP, though at this point there's no excuse for a gamer to lack a PS2. I'm thinking they just feel like if they want to make the most money off of the port, they should target the system that has the most customers.
You claim piracy is much more rampant on the DS, yet game companies are making quite a bit of money off of the DS. obviously the piracy is not having a very large effect on profits.
If they do not change the bulk of the game, it's a port. Port != emulation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porting
Obviously they need to make *some* changes to it to fit the new hardware. Would you say the Wii version of Resident Evil 4 is a remake because they tacked Wii controls onto it?Quote:
Two activities related to (but distinct from) porting are emulating and cross-compiling.
I would assume all the second screen will be used for is to display the character stats/menu. Or maybe they'll add a map of some kind... Touch Screen will be exactly like FF3 DS - you'll be able to tap menu options, and probably drag your characters around with it. Nothing too fancy.
I'm actually down for this. I rarely play anything except for my DS lately, and it's nice to have this quality of game to take anywhere. Especially since I never got very far on the PS1 remake.
That all depends on what they do though, their little blurb wants us to think it will be more than a port.
And no one knows how much money is lost due to piracy, the effect is unmeasurable. And again your claim against the PSP isn't possible to backup with any facts either. It's just an assumption. I know they see the DS as a profitable platform, and I'm sure it is. But to someone that already played Chrono Trigger on the SNES, this is just a cheap cash in. But in the end, it will probably have the effect of lowering the values of Chrono Trigger on SNES and PS1. Infact, that is probably their #1 reason for this port. They see the crazy prices on ebay or yahoo that the SNES CT goes for and decide they should put it out on DS.
All this doesn't change my opinion that this is uninteresting compared to a real remake on a modern or next-gen system.
Eh, call me when Square-Enix decides to produce a Chrono Trigger Resurrection.
Sure, the original game is good and all, but an added dungeon and some tacked-on touchscreen support isn't enough to warrant buying it again.
Or even better, how about Square stops with the constant remakes and sequels and produces something new and interesting? The World Ends With You proves they can do it, now they just need to do something on a major console without any shitty Nomura designs.
HEAR, HEAR! I still love Final Fantasy because it still continues to present me with fun combat and character advancement systems, but I swear, every time I have to look at a guy who's wearing his belt as a "vest" or has assless chaps or whatever, it just makes my faith in Square die a little more.
I say, more Enix and less Square for a little while, huh? I know I'd love a revisit to the Soulblazer or Actraiser series.
Wasn't Enix the group that made Terranigma? Now that's a game that needs to be remade. I dodn't even think about the price drop it would bring when CT is re-released. I might have the chance to own a 'real' copy of the game. :(
Enix had a LOT of great titles that sort of came out and were forgotten. On the plus side, as "against" the VC as Square seems to be, at least Enix stuff seems to be getting on there. Still hoping we'll see E.V.O. show up.
Square was against PS1 titles on the PSN, but did a complete 180. When they realize it's a cheap and easy cash-in, they will jump on it. They probably have already realized it.
Will RPGs ever again be able to capture that feeling I had when I played Secret of Mana, Final Fantasy VI, or Crono Trigger? I've played some decent RPGs throughout the years, but I've yet to play anything that really impacted me like the old games did. I wonder if it's mainly because I'm grown up now, and video games are more common place than they used to be.
Either way, I certainly long for that feeling again, that encompassing experience.
I don't know, I thought Lost Odyssey was pretty awesome and had a bit of that feel to it. I also think The World Ends With You did a little as well, at least in that it felt very fresh like those games did.
I suppose part of the problem is that the RPG genre is too stuck on its formulas, and as much as those games innovated, people seem to be afraid to take the next step forward.
While it'd be great if it were on Virtual Console, releasing Chrono Trigger for DS is great news, and the game fits the platform. I'm sure there's many people who missed out on the game by not having a SNES and its $80 pricetag.
It'd be nice if they included the extras from the PSone "remake", like the FMVs (they actually credit the FF Anthology and Chronicles games as remakes in the manual even though they're ports). I tried playing the PSone version recently and played the beginning until getting to the future for the first time, but couldnt' stand the awful load times, even with the PS2's fast loading turned on. I'm going to have to buy a cartridge and/or wait for the DS version.
Yeah, I am *really* hoping they bring over the awesome cutscenes they added to the PSX version.
One other thing that version did that I really liked was it kept track of which endings you got, and I believe rewarded you for "collecting" them (i.e. unlocking music tracks, artwork, etc.. can't remember specifically as it has been awhile). I hope they keep that as well, as it really adds some incentive to get the other endings ;)
You know, I was reading this:
http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term...fferences.html
I wonder if this game will be re-translated like they did with FFIV & FFVI. It sounds like Woolsey missed quite a few nuances and jokes (what else is new?). And hell, at the very least, all the "Cafes" need to become "Bars" again :P Stupid censorship...
I didn't think about that. If they improved the translation by re-translating it, that would be a nice improvement. And the FMVs could be done on the DS so, I suppose it's not really bad. I guess the main thing is that I really wish they had done a full 3D remake of FF4 and seeing them do this had me rather annoyed. Specifically thinking before much was known that it would be some craptastic 3D remake. But if they don't screw anything up, and do some things right like translation improvements, that would be worth it.
I just replayed through Chrono Trigger again recently on ZSNES. I only owned the game on PS1, and I really didn't like playing through the load times, but I did. I really wouldn't mind a portable hard copy of this game without the shitty load times. Thats why I bought the remakes of Final Fantasies 1 through 6 for GBA (3 for DS, obviously) and Tactics for PSP. Its really convenient in my field of work to have great games on the go. While I'm not going to be in this field for much longer, I would still love to have Chrono Trigger as a portable game. I'm all for it, remake, port, or whatever.
Did they re-translate anything for the PS1 release of CT in the FF Chronicles disc? Me, I want them to leave the translation alone. I like things how they are. Besides, much of the "original" text from the Chrono Compendium site just don't sound right to me.
That's amazing. If they don't release it in the US, I'll be mad.
Mainly because http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzjtBg4V3gE is only in Japanese.
Well it says there's not gonna be any graphical alterations, but graphics mean squat to me. The new dungeon seems tempting as long as it doesn't make an ass of itself.
I have to agree that Squareenix needs to get some other games out. SD3 is on the top of my wishlist. A gba/ds port of it would be acceptable IMHO. Maybe something like the DQ Zenthia trilogy they're doing. That would be mildly interesting. :kitty:
Wow, I stumbled on this on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyo_AXQLIdI
Apparently this is from the first time they showed the game. Look at how much the map changed - that's crazy.