Re: Worst President Ever!
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Originally Posted by
phattonez
Someone want to prove that this wouldn't have happened if there was no war?
Current estimates hold that we've spent roughly $500 billion on a war that was supposed to cost between $20 billion and $100 billion. Now, you can't prove this wouldn't have happened, but I mean, basic economics will tell you that spending $500 billion that you don't have isn't good (except maybe in a time of recession, to invest in the economy).
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Honestly, I feel bad for Jimmy. I mean, the things he had going against him weren't really his fault. The economy tanked because of the oil crisis, and the oil crisis happened because of the Iranian revolution. As for the hostage situation, Jimmy was the one that really did all the work to get the hostages free - it was only bad timing that they weren't released until Reagan took office, letting him take all the credit while basically having done nothing.
Eh, it's just one of the hazards of the job, I guess.
Re: Worst President Ever!
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Originally Posted by
rock_nog
Current estimates hold that we've spent roughly $500 billion on a war that was supposed to cost between $20 billion and $100 billion. Now, you can't prove this wouldn't have happened, but I mean, basic economics will tell you that spending $500 billion that you don't have isn't good (except maybe in a time of recession, to invest in the economy).
And what's the national debt again? ;)
And you knew that the poll was going to go this way. People just don't have a sense of history. We have a guy that took us to a war that really hasn't affected us at all and will probably result in 7000 American deaths at the most. Then you have Woodrow Wilson who basically took us into WWI, which was responsible for 100,000 American deaths, steered this country pretty close to fascism, and for what? FDR interred pretty much all Japanese people in this country and historians see the main reason as petty racism. Andrew Jackson screwing with the Indians, John Adams almost leading us to a totalitarian state, Thomas Jefferson basically ignoring his job after realized that next year he wasn't going to be president, Abraham Lincoln suspending habeas corpus for his own citizens, etc. If you honestly thing that George W. Bush is the worst president that this country has ever had, then you really need to go look into a history book and look at all of the atrocities that other presidents have committed.
Re: Worst President Ever!
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Originally Posted by
phattonez
a war that really hasn't affected us at all
This is the most ignorant and short sided statement I've ever seen.
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If by short sided, you mean shortsighted, then I agree.
Come on, Bel. I expected more from you.
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Presidential historians have been doing rankings like this for years now, and they frequently put Harding and Buchanan at the bottom of the list, for scandals and failing to do anything while the south seceded, respectively.
On the other hand, W isn't on their lists yet as he is still in office. I have to think you only made this list because deep down you know W is terrible, and you wanted to make yourself feel better by trying to get others to tell you he isn't the worst ever. So why even bother? Why not just go watch some Fox News and let their soothing lies surround you. Whatever helps you sleep better at night, right?
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Well let's see Bel, compare your life before the war and your life after the war. What's the only difference? Gas prices (easily responsible for inflation and everything else that is going on) is about all that you notice. The Iraq war has had a negligible affect on gas prices. You know what's really behind high gas prices? Peak Oil, maybe you should look that up. Actually, Bush wanted to fix the problem at least somewhat by drilling in Alaska, but you know what, Congress wouldn't let him.
Let's compare this war with other wars. Have you been deterred (WWII)? Have you been drafted (basically every war up to Vietnam)? Has your right to a trial been abused (Civil War)? Has your right to free speech been violated (WWI)? Have goods been rationed (WWII and others)?
Sounds like anyone who thinks that George W. Bush is the worst president ever is just spoiled by this era's American lifestyle.
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You know, how do define "worst president ever," anyway? I mean, I just realized, it's easy for your least favorite president to influence your views. Just look at the votes - only one for Harding, despite the fact that it's basically commonly accepted that he's the worst ever. I myself voted for Andrew Jackson, but I realize that I may have let my personal hatred of that man get in the way of my judgment. Plus, I also kinda just wanted to make a statement - you know, because I don't know how many people realize what a horrible person he really was, what with the Trail of Tears and all that jazz. I mean, he's on the $20 bill, for Pete's sake. Even if he's not the worst, he certainly doesn't deserve to be on currency.
EDIT: Oh, and Phattonez, I've looked into the ANWR issue, and I don't think that drilling in Alaska would have done much to reduce oil prices.
Re: Worst President Ever!
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Originally Posted by
rock_nog
You know, how do define "worst president ever," anyway? I mean, I just realized, it's easy for your least favorite president to influence your views. Just look at the votes - only one for Harding, despite the fact that it's basically commonly accepted that he's the worst ever. I myself voted for Andrew Jackson, but I realize that I may have let my personal hatred of that man get in the way of my judgment. Plus, I also kinda just wanted to make a statement - you know, because I don't know how many people realize what a horrible person he really was, what with the Trail of Tears and all that jazz. I mean, he's on the $20 bill, for Pete's sake. Even if he's not the worst, he certainly doesn't deserve to be on currency.
If ever there was a president that deserved to be impeached, it was him. He basically told the supreme court to go fuck itself. Alas, for a president to be impeached he has to be unpopular, and Jackson was too popular at the time.