If anything this thread demonstrates why I respect Freedom's complaints and concerns when he states them while basically ignoring anything Petoe says.
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If anything this thread demonstrates why I respect Freedom's complaints and concerns when he states them while basically ignoring anything Petoe says.
The truth hurts, eh?
But it doesn't matter, you developers have been ignoring me for the last 5 years and look where we are... I mean, you ZC developers are talented programmers, I aknowledge and repsect that. But as developers you have done an awful job. Now everybody makes mistakes but what about learning from them? Would that be too much to ask?
I understand first hand Petoe's anger and frustration over what's happen here.
When L first started adding so many features so quickly, and stated that there was no such thing as a bug free program, it didn't take a rocket scientist to see where it was headed.
I warned about it at the time, and today wish I had been proven wrong instead of right.
The additions that L and the rest of you developers have added have been a great improvement, but you forgot what the program was intended to be used for, and that's to build and release quests with.
Forgetting that has caused builders and players alike to seek new ways to occupy their spare time.
I've been back here for the last month because I tore my guts up carrying a heavy wooden army footlocker and was flat on my back, and TV sux.
If I could have been, I'd have been out working or riding my bike, but instead I decided to finish at least one of the quests I have shelved as a tribute to Elise, who is really the one that is responsible for the motivation that allowed me to release all the quests that I did since SwanSong.
Personally I don't believe a stable release is coming, but come or not, I'm going to release this last quest and be done with it.
I owe that to Elise, and to myself.
Shit's depressing :/
What I want to know is how serious are the devs about re-doing ZC from the ground up after a "stable" 2.5 comes around?
...I'm pretty sure that's been in your sig for at least two years...Quote:
Originally Posted by Petoe's sig
And to be realistic, complaining will bring about no change. Test the latest builds for bugs, report them, and they shall be fixed in due time. We just need testers WILLING to comb for bugs and developers WILLING to sift through and debug code.
Yes, but what is the point if features keep being added? There is no end to what you can test as there will always be something new to test. If the developers focus on bug fixing rather then new features, I'm sure people will come back to help test.
Uhh guys...Newsflash. 2.5 is considered feature complete and 99% of the remaining work that needs to be done is nothing but bug fixes. Didn't anyone get the memo I sent out? :P
Yes Freedom, I agree with you that there certainly should of been at least one full release since all that. jman even said the same thing and I'm sure he wishes he would of put one out when he had the chance. While you're not going to get _L_ to fess to over feature jiggering or bad timing any time soon (he's stubborn, that one), he's trying to fix bugs and get it 'stable' as much as anybody.
According to my flawless broken logic, 2.5 will be done next week sometime. Just find yourself a reality to Gleeok metric conversion chart and you have an absolute time frame. Or, realize that the faster we fix the remaining bugs, the faster it will be done. As I said somewhere else; if one developer fixes the bugs in zc, it could take a while. Just like if only one person tests it, it may take a while to even find any bugs in the first place. You want to know when 2.5 will be done? I don't know Freedom. It depends on how many bugs are left and how hard they are to fix.
I also find it sort of amusing in a twisted sort of way that no one actually believes that no more features are being put in and putting out a release is the main goal. Man, you guys really did a number on the user base, not to mention dragging our credibility through the dirt. Jeez..
give me a break, I simply told the truth as I saw it, and time has proven me right.Quote:
Man, you guys really did a number on the user base, not to mention dragging our credibility through the dirt.
When all this started you weren't even a developer for that matter.
sugar coat it or paint it any color that amuses you, the truth will still be obvious to anyone who takes the time to look.
The results of the user base had nothing to do with the "you guys" you refer to, they had to do with the fact that builders could no longer build, and as a result players had nothing to play.