Is this map of Hyrule and surrounding lands accurate...you be the judge

[Jaydeadone]

Is this map (http://thewhitemaiden.deviantart.com/art/Zelda-The-Known-World-195188597) of Hyrule and surrounding lands accurate? You be the judge.

http://th00.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2011/027/3/f/zelda__known_world_by_vesperrault-d387khh.jpg
I'd like to hear any comments...as they will directly effect my game design...
Laters

J~

[SUCCESSOR]

First of all aren't Holodrum, Labrynna, and Termina in other realms?

Also disappointed there's no Calatia.

[Jaydeadone]

Yeah, I thought something was wrong... I'm pretty sure it's impossible to have a truly accurate map of Hyrule...from game one...to OoT there were a ton of contradictions.... The placement of the Lost forest should be southwest of Hyrule Castle...placing the Lost Hills in a giant stretch from south of Lake Hylia cutting through southern Hyrule field and ending at the base of Death mountain. I'm using this as a direct correlation from the placement of Death Mountain in the first game...and what they ended up with in OoT... Death mountain is NE... so the area where you start in game 1 would be almost directly south of Hyrule castle...Somewhere near the Faron woods and Lost Forest. Most maps I look at though have the Hyrule plains as a huge uninterrupted mass separated only by a river feeding into Lake Hylia. They don't include the hills that divide link from the forest and the plains from the first game.
Just a thought.

[bigjoe]

Where's Koridai?

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[King Aquamentus]

Termina exists in another dimension, and Great Sea is flooded Hyrule.

Hyrule in the map would be too far north, Death MOuntain is far more extensive vertically than it is horizontally. Although Somaria slightly resembles a portion of Zelda II's map near Parapa palace, the placement of Hyrule itself betrays this.

No.


Yeah, I thought something was wrong... I'm pretty sure it's impossible to have a truly accurate map of Hyrule...from game one...to OoT there were a ton of contradictions.... The placement of the Lost forest should be southwest of Hyrule Castle...placing the Lost Hills in a giant stretch from south of Lake Hylia cutting through southern Hyrule field and ending at the base of Death mountain. I'm using this as a direct correlation from the placement of Death Mountain in the first game...and what they ended up with in OoT... Death mountain is NE... so the area where you start in game 1 would be almost directly south of Hyrule castle...Somewhere near the Faron woods and Lost Forest. Most maps I look at though have the Hyrule plains as a huge uninterrupted mass separated only by a river feeding into Lake Hylia. They don't include the hills that divide link from the forest and the plains from the first game.
Just a thought.

Most of the first few maps depict that same land in a confined, rectangular space. It is my assumption that yes, no such map is accurate, and later 3D games only improve the actual map. Twilight Princess I believe to be an unusual exception to the norm, but only because it is located north of the Hyrule of Ocarina of Time. we use the position of the Master Sword as a key here. (notice it was also surrounded by forest in Alttp.)

Most of the maps all have one main flaw or another early on. For the very first Zelda, that flaw was space. Hyrule is *said* to be tiny at this point, but unless it physically shrank somehow, the overworld is heavily vertically abridged and should be at least twice as tall. Even in Zelda II, there is a little more land between the lake and spectacle rock.

Link to the Past? confinement. Hyrule has a little more room to stretch out, but is still boxed. Scale aside, its basically OoT.

Ocarina? Scale. we're at a point where one can believe they are standing in Hyrule, but Hyrule is still miniaturized, I think. Going by Wind Waker at the least.

Wind Waker doesn't offer a full-on view of Hyrule's map, and the grid-like placement of islands shouldn't be trusted. however, coupled with the small amount of the kingdom that you do get to explore, most people have compiled a map that looks fairly similar to that of the upcoming Wii U game, which I think may be closest look we have at Hyrule's true form.

[Jaydeadone]

Termina exists in another dimension, and Great Sea is flooded Hyrule.

Hyrule in the map would be too far north, Death MOuntain is far more extensive vertically than it is horizontally. Although Somaria slightly resembles a portion of Zelda II's map near Parapa palace, the placement of Hyrule itself betrays this.

No.



Most of the first few maps depict that same land in a confined, rectangular space. It is my assumption that yes, no such map is accurate, and later 3D games only improve the actual map. Twilight Princess I believe to be an unusual exception to the norm, but only because it is located north of the Hyrule of Ocarina of Time. we use the position of the Master Sword as a key here. (notice it was also surrounded by forest in Alttp.)

Most of the maps all have one main flaw or another early on. For the very first Zelda, that flaw was space. Hyrule is *said* to be tiny at this point, but unless it physically shrank somehow, the overworld is heavily vertically abridged and should be at least twice as tall. Even in Zelda II, there is a little more land between the lake and spectacle rock.

Link to the Past? confinement. Hyrule has a little more room to stretch out, but is still boxed. Scale aside, its basically OoT.

Ocarina? Scale. we're at a point where one can believe they are standing in Hyrule, but Hyrule is still miniaturized, I think. Going by Wind Waker at the least.

Wind Waker doesn't offer a full-on view of Hyrule's map, and the grid-like placement of islands shouldn't be trusted. however, coupled with the small amount of the kingdom that you do get to explore, most people have compiled a map that looks fairly similar to that of the upcoming Wii U game, which I think may be closest look we have at Hyrule's true form.

Wow,
Great stuff King Aquamentus. You write very well. I appreciate your feedback.

It's an excellent point using the Master Sword as a stasis. That definitely helps me define this a bit better in my head.

I also think its kind of interesting that all the maps that I have looked up display this world as Pangaea (single large land mass), some maps have a couple of small islands.
I would think their planet might have formed other continents. Maybe it's a younger planet that has yet to separate on fault lines.

There are theories that Hyrule is actually on planet Earth, because the constellations in the sky are the same as Earth's.
Maybe Hyrule exists before our own times as we know it or a new time after a great cataclysm.

Just food for thought.

Thanks again for the feed back.

J~

[bigboylink]

You might enjoy reading this:

http://www.reddit.com/r/truezelda/comments/2ylzh6/i_made_some_speculative_maps_of_hyrule/

[King Aquamentus]

Wow,
Great stuff King Aquamentus. You write very well. I appreciate your feedback.

It's an excellent point using the Master Sword as a stasis. That definitely helps me define this a bit better in my head.

I also think its kind of interesting that all the maps that I have looked up display this world as Pangaea (single large land mass), some maps have a couple of small islands.
I would think their planet might have formed other continents. Maybe it's a younger planet that has yet to separate on fault lines.

There are theories that Hyrule is actually on planet Earth, because the constellations in the sky are the same as Earth's.
Maybe Hyrule exists before our own times as we know it or a new time after a great cataclysm.

Just food for thought.

Thanks again for the feed back.

J~

On the contrary, most of the series simply focuses on one primary landmass which we can assume to generally be the same area because similar landmarks reappear throughout (namely Spectacle Rock and a waterfall to the northeast which is usually Zora's domain) The rest of it? Well, Zelda II. Additionally, Holodrum and Labrynna are a part of that same planet, not another dimension like Termina. Notice that Link leaves on a ship at the end of that little adventure. As for the Master Sword in OoS/OoA, it like other things in those games should be approached with very broad strokes. Capcom...

[SUCCESSOR]

Additionally, Holodrum and Labrynna are a part of that same planet, not another dimension like Termina. Notice that Link leaves on a ship at the end of that little adventure.

There is nothing to confirm that. In fact, the Triforce teleports Link there instead of him sailing. Suggesting it might not be possible to reach Holodrum or Labrynna from hyrule by physical means. I think the only other person who travels there from Hyrule is Zelda, another person connected to the Triforce. We know Holodrum and Labrynna occupy the same realm because it's inhabitants travel between them. The ending of the linked game shows the Triforce, a castle, and link sailing away suggesting he is sailing away from Hyrule (supposedly to the events of LA).

[Jaydeadone]

Well,

I am just as confused as I am now enlightened.
Maybe if I give you a story background you will have a better Idea of what I am trying to accomplish in my game's map design.

The story takes place after OoT, Gannondorf is defeated, but Hyrule is still weakened. A power vacuum is made when Gannon dies. Leaving two of his remaining generals vying for the lands of Hyrule and the power of the triforce. (which I never did understand why it never made an appearance in OoT).
Claiming large swaths of Hyrule with swarms of minions, both generals find themselves at the gates of Hyrule castle. Link sends Zelda out through a secret passage with the triforce pieces (you know the passage) and remains to defend the castle and distract the armies from her escape.
She manages to hide two before being captured and Link being completely out numbered is over run and taken prisoner as well.
The remaining triforce pieces are split between the two generals and each take a prisoner in hopes to gaining the the locations of the hidden two pieces.

Now here is where I need some map advice.
A: What outer lands did these two generals come from? It has to be an area that wasn't covered in OoT, but I wanted it to fit in with the 'known' LoZ world. I thought maybe one of them could have been out conquering the Island palace from LoZ 2 (somewhere to the East)...The other....I still don't know.
B: Zelda hid two pieces of the triforce. One in the very first dungeon we ever saw Link enter and the other in the Great cemetery also from the first LoZ. I need these to fit into a OoT type map.

Where I need help is, what lands did these two generals poke their heads out of? One general is more might, and the other more magic. (Essentially Im making a super Darknut and Uber Wizrobe....animations pending.) So I need to fit them into lands appropriate for their 'type'.

I'd love to hear your ideas,

J~

[CJC]

Within the context of Ocarina of Time, the Eagle Dungeon (Dungeon 1) is immediately beneath the tree that Kaepora Gaebora perches on when you first visit Lake Hylia.
The graveyard is the one in Kaikariko Village.

I base both of these assumptions on the positioning of Death Mountain and the location of the Master Sword, as K_A suggested.

It might be more interesting to hide one of the pieces in King's Tomb, which is northeast of Death Mountain according to Z2. You could reasonably include this region as it is north of OoT's lost woods, a region that was only briefly alluded in Ocarina of Time (In fact, the Forest Temple could be considered the southern edge of that giant graveyard).


As for the generals, since the game with the most extensive landmass is Zelda 2 it might be nice to have them both coming from Hyrule, but from regions that weren't claimed until late in the Ganon timeline. That is, perhaps one of these generals could come from Tantari Desert (North of Death Mountain) and the other could come from the Valley of Death, Kasuto, or some other portion of what would become East Hyrule. These locations would NOT be part of Hyrule within a reasonable neighborhood of the events of Ocarina of Time, so it is perfectly reasonable that invaders might come from these regions.

[Jaydeadone]

Awesome feedback,
I'm glad I haven't started laying land yet. (Still a lot of planning to do). I want to keep this organized and smooth flowing when I start. So having all of my ducks in a row is a must.

Its funny you mentioned King's tomb. That is what I ended up deciding on for my second piece.
My understanding of where the cemetery was located was a bit off. I had it slightly NW of Kokiri village. So its more like it's SW of Kokiri village, correct?
Im kind of dumb to think the two were the same...It's been awhile since I've played any LoZ. Even longer for OoT.

I like the Tantari Desert Idea...
I had the Desert in E. Hyrule on my hand drawn map...but had no Idea what it was called...
So does it end in coast line there after the valley of Death? (Im really tempted to make a coastal island town and palace.

J~

[CJC]

Yeah, if you think of the bomb walls in LoZ as boarded-up doors, then Kaikariko village is directly north of the graveyard (in the region overrun by lynels, north of Dungeon 6), just as it is in Ocarina of Time.

Kokiri Village is mostly gone, what little remains would be the Green Forest around Dungeon 2 in LoZ, whereas the rest (including the forest) has fallen into the sea.

Considering the active volcanic nature of the region (with Death Mountain being a live volcano), it is reasonable to assume there is some manner of rift valley on the eastern end of the West Hyrule continent (much like the eastern end of Africa has a rift valley). When such rifts occur, two often tear together and create a divergent plate boundary, resulting in a shallow sea between formerly connected pieces of land. If the Kokiri forest was located on top of such a thing and was originally directly south of King's Tomb, eventually the rifts would destroy most of the forest, creating an oceanfront in the process. While geologically this could take a tremendous amount of time, there are huge gaps in the Zelda timeline that make such extensive reshaping of the region possible. It could also explain why places that were originally considered North in certain games are to the Northwest in later games.
Such rifting does have justification; much of the lost woods in Twilight Princess is separated from the Faron region by great chasms; considering Twilight Princess South is equivalent to Ocarina of Time northwest (by placement of the Temple of Time and Master Sword), the extent of the rifting and consequently the size of Kokiri forest can be taken to be immense.

If you don't subscribe to alternate dimension Termina, it's very possible that the entirety of Termina is contained within the bounds of Kokiri forest, as Link finds Clock Town while on a ride through that very forest.


This is fun!

[Jaydeadone]

Wow,

Using our modern understanding of tectonics to describe the ebb and flow of Hyrule. Ya it certainly is fun. Your description definitely painted a picture in my mind.
Zelda Wikia mentions that Termina is a parallel world to Hyrule and more technologically advanced. They worship four giants and not the Goddesses or the triforce,


"However, the builders of Stone Tower would appear to know of the Triforce, as depictions of it can be found on the underside of the floating blocks in the tower. The Triforce symbol can also be found on pillars in Ikana and the side of Termina Field closest to the tower. Their origin is never confirmed, but they are covered in markings identical to those found in Stone Tower. " (http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Termina)

I have no idea what this proves other than, Termina could very well be in the same land as Hyrule, but in a very distant future. Maybe it is in the same way 'we' consider Norse, Greek, Roman, and Native American religions as theories from a people in a time that explained their plight through polytheism. Most have since deemed those ideals simply as 'mythology'. Perhaps these triforce markings are the remnants of a forgotten Hyrule.
or
there is a definite rip in space/time a 'warp gate' somewhere in that forest. Maybe Termina has had visitors from Hyrule before and vice versa.
I guess one way to prove this last theory, would be to look for signs of Termina in Hyrule.
The only instance I can see is Tingle.
(Tingle has always creeped me out. He is just a disturbing character. He's the type of guy I wouldn't let near children, even with supervision.)

You're right,
this is fun.

J~