Visitation

[Zim]

Who else has had people insisting on saying "Hello." and "Goodbye." in various tongues to them by unidentifiable people in places unbeknownst to them, along with other things like them commenting on what you're doing in the privacy of your own residence?

It's been happening to me EVERY DAY for the last bunch of years, which I already told the staff about here at AGN.

I don't even know who the @#$^ those people are. We're not buddies. I believe if they have something to say to me they can call me on the phone for real or actually come over to my house and knock on my door.

I think it's a degree of cowardice I have never actually fathomed in my whole lifetime that they are portraying in saying hello and goodbye at a distance like that.
I've heard people saying that they were my friend, that we were engaged in some sort of partnerships, even to the extent that they pretended that I was a swinger, when in fact I have never "wife swapped" or "cheated" on a girlfriend or anything to that effect my entire life.

They continually kept claiming those sorts of things to be the truth, whereas I'm not afraid to admit that the people that taught me how to act and think about things growing up, including my own parents, told me that people who are like that should get shot to death on sight if they come to my residence acting like I have no rights and taking my freedoms away and making such crazy claims about my life, and that's the reason why they do it from a distance instead, because they wouldn't necessarily get away from it in reality.

I'm writing this thread just to make sure that my belief is heard, just to also tell off those other guys that kept saying, "and if you don't say anything that's agreeing."


On a different topic: Writing computer programs and codes isn't impressive, and just because someone can do it doesn't give said person extra amounts of rights.
i.g. Just because someone manages to write a program that talks to someone in their home, doesn't mean that they are abiding by the law no matter what, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE PERSON THEY ARE TARGETING WITH THE PROGRAM HAS REPEATEDLY INFORMED THE OTHER PARTIES INVOLVED THAT THE PRIOR MENTIONED COMMUNICATION ANNOYS THE PERSON. That means that doing so repeatedly, at least in the State I am from constitutes Stalking charges.

I mean, and to clarify, I am aware that computers need programming, however, just because a person happens to be a programmer doesn't mean that that person becomes so essential to the rest of the people just because they're computer users that they become infallibly correct all the time.
The prior statement would be analogous to me poisoning people just because I'm the cook, and they need a cook to have their food, that would be bad, and not something that I'd be willing to do.

[Liliith]

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[MasterSwordUltima]

Yeah, what is going on here exactly? People are saying hello and goodbye to you from a distance? What does that mean exactly? From across the room or something?

[ctrl-alt-delete]

Zim, are you okay?

[Ventus]

Zim, are you okay?
I second that, I've haven't been active here in awhile but it seems something is on your mind Zim.

[Zim]

Not from across the room, from apparently nowhere, and people just like Lillith there: I'm having an issue in my life and the first thing that comes out of someone else's being is an idea and notion of a mental illness on my part instead of taking any heed to the idea of responsibility on someone else's part. That is NOT a healthy relationship in the first place to have people in my life that are willing to place misdiagnosis on me like that.

For someone to have schizophrenia, they have to have relationships that need maintained in the first place, and the lack of taking care of that type of social business needs to be the sole proprietary concern of the individual being diagnosed, not a team effort. I don't have any of those to upkeep in the first place. I live in the rural countryside, and I am single.
I keep my home at a steady room temperature of above 70 F and below 95 F, and eat healthily enough to sustain my life, and have energy to think and be physically active. Those are all signs of a person who DOES NOT have schizophrenia. A person with schizophrenia could be bleeding out their feet until their socks are bloodstained and stuck to their feet from scabbing onto the material and they wouldn't even notice because they're SCHIZOPHRENIC, meaning they'd be barely aware, if at all, that there is a problem going on with their feet.

So in a way I'm glad that Lillith decided to put her input on this topic forthright, because it proves my point. I don't even know this person and I'm sure she doesn't really know me at all. Maybe a few facts here and there that she probably heard from someone else, which isn't reliable because that's just hearsay, yet, instead of anybody else's lives and activities being factored in to why this was happening, the blame is immediately placed on me somehow instead.

I was given a certificate of Competency, meaning that I actually am not schizophrenic and that I can in fact handle my own mind and it's thoughts on my own, without extra input, advice, consul, or conversing otherwise to "let off steam." etc.

What I was pointing out is actually this exact same type of conversation.. I mention what I believe is a problem, someone else just declares that I have an even more serious problem than what was real in the first place right before that, then things escalate to the point where I start to believe that I should actually sue someone *cough cough, people like Lillith* because that's a VERY SERIOUS ACCUSATION that could potentially ruin someone's life completely if they just stay silent and don't agree with it.

This is perfectly conducive to the idea I was just mentioning to myself last night:
When someone just declares at a whim a statement such as, "You don't care about ______________.."
You'd be left with two options:
i) Hold your ground on the idea, and therefor be 'contradictory' or 'argumentative' with the accuser, even though they, being the aggressor at one's persona in the first place would be the attacker,
proving what they said about you not caring about what they're talking about...
or
ii) Go along with they say, be a yes-man, perfectly agreeing, and therefor not care about what they're saying in that case either.


THAT is why I was attempting to communicate the idea of how pointless it is to talk with someone like me to that degree or effect. It really doesn't mean anything to me. My brain used to compute things like that.. Either just go along with this, or not, either way I'm already disagreeing with this guy/gal, or they are with me, rather... and my conscious mind was smart enough to know that right away so the conversation became completely pointless and I attempted to sever all communications, which would seem to be an easy thing to do, seeming how I lived 99.99% of my life without talking to said individuals who were accusing me of things like this in the first place.

Then, of course, there's always the Biblical teaching of things on this manner:
If someone is so corrupted that a person would run the risk of becoming worse than they currently are by associating with said person, the other person is supposed to avoid contact and company with the person they believe is too corrupt to be with.
THAT being said, it's impossible to reason it out with someone about a conversation entailing communal judgement of some kind without EVERY party in the community in this situation being held just as guilty as the person they are making out to be the pariah... Else they are making the mistake of continuing to keep company with the pariah, even though they don't like him or her.
The Bible, to my knowledge, did NOT state anything to the effect of "unless you're going to play some kind of hero role and go in there evangelizing people to righteousness, then it's okay to hang out with bad folk." It says not do that, period, end of discussion.

[MasterSwordUltima]

Hmm. While I assume Lilith was using an umbrella term for her reaction/initial thoughts (which may or may not be the case, as I am not her), it is clearly obvious that nobody else jumped to any conclusions about labeling. I myself am just merely trying to decipher the presumed issue of not knowing people who are saying hello/goodbye. As black and white as that.

But do go on, I find this thread a bit of fascination.

[Mercy]

Fascinating is about right. I started reading the initial post thinking it was some story idea being shared. I finished it thinking textbook psychosis or troll. If this was not typed under a bridge, I strongly urge a visit with a mental health professional. I am not trying to label with any sort of psychopathy; merely stating that what I gleaned around the questionable grammar is not normal. My apologies if I misinterpreted any of it but Zim, if you are hearing disembodied voices in the privacy of your own home and even feel the urge to argue with them at times, you need to talk to someone in the flesh who may be able to help determine WTF is going on around you. Hell, talk to a priest if you go for that sort of thing. I may not have use for religion but I am a firm believer in confession and verbalizing thoughts for personal well-being and clergy are usually good listeners.


I was given a certificate of Competency, meaning that I actually am not schizophrenic and that I can in fact handle my own mind and it's thoughts on my own, without extra input, advice, consul, or conversing otherwise to "let off steam." etc.
Why? What prompted the certification?

[Tim]

Posting here on the forum basically invalidates your whole point.

Hello and goodbye.

[Zim]

Other people needing jobs. This forum has a no real contact info involuntarily policy so that is not true either. Funny you would mention religion because the bible clearly states that if and when there are beings yelling out so man can hear them that is defined as a demonic thing.. Also if I do not witness them consume they might as well be demons as far as I know. I already knew that and those ideas only support what I said about the overall bunkness of that situation.

I volunteered for evaluation because I knew I could prove I was right.

Oh, and "BURN" @ "any of it but Zim,." ouch.

It's really just free man being hassled for no reason. The ol' if/then Satanism clause being enacted by people that never learned their manners, or that I don't believe their lies.

[Gleeok]

This thread reminds me of "TIME CUBE" (http://www.timecube.com/).

Only Cubic Harmonics can save humanity.

[Mercy]

This thread reminds me of "TIME CUBE" (http://www.timecube.com/).

Only Cubic Harmonics can save humanity.
I think you may be correct; same crappy grammar.

I'll be in a corner, weeping for Strunk and White.

[MasterSwordUltima]

TIME CUBE intimidated me with it's ever growing font size. And adults eating teenagers, and belly-buttons...what?

[Zim]

Yeah, and I've never heard of this 'Time Cube.'. Was it made of sugar and LSD by chance? People off in the distance making productions like that would also be a valid reason not to butt in on conversations that I don't have to be in. Time Cube is awesome! Four days at once!

Bet he played a bunch of FF.

8 Points in a cube. Sounds squary rather. Time Square is maybe what he meant.

[King Aquamentus]

Yeah, and I've never heard of this 'Time Cube.'. Was it made of sugar and LSD by chance? People off in the distance making productions like that would also be a valid reason not to butt in on conversations that I don't have to be in. Time Cube is awesome! Four days at once!

Bet he played a bunch of FF.

8 Points in a cube. Sounds squary rather. Time Square is maybe what he meant.

Reminds me of the "Galactic Standard Week" from Men In Black (except that only lasted one hour)

[MasterSwordUltima]

I feel like I might be the butt of a galactic joke, which was initiated by me replying to this thread and not knowing what the fuck is going on.

[Zim]

It's not a joke though.

Cybernetic digital media correspondence doesn't imply real colloquialistic proximity and/or unto itself doesn't imply or infer any type of real life permission to proximity, interaction, conversation, or authorization to attain such.
Those are two completely different things and also have completely different guidelines as to what is acceptable or not that being the case.

In no way, shape, or form, is it legal for someone to give permission to someone else in real life to actually physically assault them, for example, and even if they do, the assaulter would still be held liable by the state or person they assault if the person or state presses charges, because there's no excuse for it, it's a free country. This is only not true in the case of duress or mental illness, in which case the burden of prevention and/or responsibility is then on the custodian of the person or the person who was threatening and/or causing the stress on the individual in the first place.

Forums like this are viewed and participated in via digital media correspondence, not in any way directly reliant on one singular specific location, device, or otherwise particular method of actually getting the words on the site pages or otherwise retrieving them, as long as those means are not malicious in nature, and do no damages to the site.

Real life physical reality situations aren't looked at the same way by the Law, because location, intention, and other things are automatically things to consider when the person(s) is/are acting.
For example:
If a person has attained proximity intentionally to a person who doesn't desire for them to do so for the purpose (or even if they're multitasking and take advantage of the convenience of being close enough to do so) of doing things to or saying things to a person with no invitation, especially in the case that the person informed the other party that they actually desire for them to not have communication or interaction, that person may be presumed to be a burglar, and inference of violent intent is also implied by Statute in the State that I live in, and constitutes Stalking charges, a Class C felony.

Obviously, then, since no indication of permission or consent to close proximity physical interactions and conversations by proximity is inferred due to the conversations being held on a digital media device by default or automatically, posting on the forums or reading the forums are clearly not the same thing as being anonymously viewed or spoken to in real life.

[Imzogelmo]

By multitasking, one takes down the otherwise normal degree of alertness and spatial awareness that comes about from being focused on the singular task at hand. One does not need to then strike out against the presumed stalker. The question is one of intention. If one is not alert and is caught by a person sneaking, it is the lack of alertness that is to blame, as the onus of external stimulus is not on the person who is minding their own business, but rather on the person receiving the auditory and visual feedback.

As has been pointed out, in a real life, physical situation, intention is crucial in assigning a would-be assailant's motives. So long as a person is not in a location that he is legally forbidden to enter (i.e. trespassing), then he is free to go and come as he pleases. There is no legally recognized 3-foot-personal space, it is merely a social convention which may be compromised without recourse.

Oh but if there were! I would totally press charges on the person whose field of vision I incidentally passed through. The right to be free from glances is paramount!

But seriously, on a forum, you can post, or not post; visit, or not visit; abide by the dictates of the site or risk banishment. It's really as simple as that. If you feel violated by it, then clearly it is not something to continue to pursue.

[Zim]

By multitasking, one takes down the otherwise normal degree of alertness and spatial awareness that comes about from being focused on the singular task at hand. One does not need to then strike out against the presumed stalker. The question is one of intention. If one is not alert and is caught by a person sneaking, it is the lack of alertness that is to blame, as the onus of external stimulus is not on the person who is minding their own business, but rather on the person receiving the auditory and visual feedback.

As has been pointed out, in a real life, physical situation, intention is crucial in assigning a would-be assailant's motives. So long as a person is not in a location that he is legally forbidden to enter (i.e. trespassing), then he is free to go and come as he pleases. There is no legally recognized 3-foot-personal space, it is merely a social convention which may be compromised without recourse.

Oh but if there were! I would totally press charges on the person whose field of vision I incidentally passed through. The right to be free from glances is paramount!

But seriously, on a forum, you can post, or not post; visit, or not visit; abide by the dictates of the site or risk banishment. It's really as simple as that. If you feel violated by it, then clearly it is not something to continue to pursue.

I concur that subsequential lack of focus is a byproduct of spreading one's attention too thin over too many causes, and also it is evident that the forums here are a completely alternate topic as to legality and intent. It is obvious anyone participating with the forum directly is doing so knowing full well what doing so entails, and every person, with regards to the US, has the right to do so if they please, unless someone else is doing something innapropriate that causes them to do so against their own free will.


To further elaborate, the topic was originally about people whoms intent was to directly and without invitation and in fact priorly informed of a no communication policy still continuing to do so at inappropriate times and saying inappropriate things, specifically, such as addressing me by name and defaming my character, telling other people things that aren't true about me within my earshot on purpose, making sudden claims of partnership when I'm doing well at playing music by myself at home and they just happened to hear it, which is also slander and malignering.

I had previously informed everyone around me that when they cannot dial a phone number to call me, or actually knock on my door and then be permitted to enter and interact, that I do not desire any interaction with them at all because this is a private place that they are not welcome to trespass on.

So it's nothing to do with a lack of alertness in this case, it was a lack of other people's abidance of the law. It was people that were acting as if for some reason that they had a free lifetime VIP pass to my home life, but really my privacy is very important to me because peace and quiet is good sometimes, and also they don't have any right to force other people into participating, and pretending or attempting to establish that other parties in the world are obligated to be addressing someone else 'round the clock is approximately 10-20 felonies wrapped into one. Just because they could hear me doesn't mean they are invited.
Just because these people can receive data like my new password doesn't give them the right to share it or blurt it out, for another example, that is easily construed as Cyber Stalking and Stalking both at the same time.

[Zim]

In other words the law is stated in broad-form terminology that applies to everyone's benefit, even those with less perceptual modes of operation, I.g. extroverted as opposed to introverted and/or inductive.

Edit: In other words, for another example, there is a no contact order from the court preventing contact or communication with me IRL for my brother because of multiple counts of DV and malicious mischief:
He has violated that order hundreds, if not thousands of times since the issuance of the order, which recently led to another malicious mischief charge, and my blood being splattered all over the place and a surprise broken nose, allegedly because his kid is more important than my right to live, even though they could've went elsewhere.
(He hit me in the face with my own blender after I was going to offer him a drink of fresh real O.J. I thought that's what he was doing and so I didn't stress it, then WHAM, right in the face. Blood and pulp everywhere.)

[Mercy]

Court-issued orders of protection are voided when the abused/victim voluntarily allows or encourages the abuser to violate the terms of restraint. In other words, one cannot maintain an order of protection in good standing while offering their abuser a glass of orange juice.

US laws do not guarantee to the right to be unoffended.

[Zim]

That's all lies. Our court system says a restraining order stands even if the victim attempts to coax or coerce the party the order applies to.

You either just made that up yourself or lied on purpose.

[King Aquamentus]

Ladies you're both beautiful.

If a victim invites the abuser to engage in violatory activity then they must go through an application process/paperwork to retroactively illegalize it. Otherwise Mercy is correct and you are not.

EDIT: also, I came across something that reminded me of this thread

http://sebpearce.com/bullshit/

[Phazite]

Ladies you're both beautiful.

If a victim invites the abuser to engage in violatory activity then they must go through an application process/paperwork to retroactively illegalize it. Otherwise Mercy is correct and you are not.

EDIT: also, I came across something that reminded me of this thread

http://sebpearce.com/bullshit/

Everyone just needs to calm down and realize something.

Non-locality is the truth of non-locality, and of us.
Nothing is impossible. Consciousness consists of supercharged waveforms of quantum energy. “Quantum” means a refining of the conscious. :saint:

[King Aquamentus]

Everyone just needs to calm down and realize something.

Non-locality is the truth of non-locality, and of us.
Nothing is impossible. Consciousness consists of supercharged waveforms of quantum energy. “Quantum” means a refining of the conscious. :saint:

We are being called to explore the quantum matrix itself as an interface between fulfillment and transcendence.

If you have never experienced this transmission of unfathomable proportions, it can be difficult to vibrate. It can be difficult to know where to begin. Although you may not realize it, you are ethereal.


The complexity of the present time seems to demand an evolving of our souls if we are going to survive. You may be ruled by turbulence without realizing it. Do not let it obliterate the truth of your circuit. Where there is stagnation, potential cannot thrive.

[Zim]

If a victim invites the abuser to engage in violatory activity then they must go through an application process/paperwork to retroactively illegalize it. Otherwise Mercy is correct and you are not.

http://sebpearce.com/bullshit/

Her statement was about court orders already issued, meaning no retroactivity required, the paper is already on file. Phazite is right about demographic law, the court system here said an order stands unless a hearing is scheduled to retract it, even if a victim invites the person. Two people inviting each other to violations is just crime anyway.

By the by, I am a man. That website is hilarious.

[Zim]

A friend of mine just posted about other forums in a different website, so I decided to take a look at this and other threads again.

I just say that what I was stating still stands to me:

Someone replies or posts in a forum its still a forum.
Anyone with internet access and proper equipment can read the posts, without even signing up.
There is no guarantee that the author of the topic or post(s) will EVER, by will EVER I meant might maybe NEVER,
so much as even look at the thread again, or it's replies.


That being said the following statement is also true:
Replies to this thread are not replies addressed to me, specifically. That could've been done in PM format, which would've been preferred

Replies to a thread on forums like these have no specific person(s) being addressed,
which means any and all good, bad, oblique, downright obnoxious and lewd, or morally correct spirituality enlightening comments
will most likely be viewed mostly by people who are NOT the supposed by context target reader,
as it is the World Wide Web. That means anyone from a youthful, yet adamantly ethical, or impressionable, or already malicious, mind of a child,
to people in death row in prison, judges in courts, farmers, cooks, other people in careers for public conscientiously motivated jobs, the pope, queen, anyone.

[Brasel]

Okay, I've been trying to wrap my head around this thread for months. What the heck is the point of this thread and what is going on here?

[Dechipher]

^Yes, this. What? Just trying to understand...

[Chris Miller]

It seems to have jumped the shark. I'm going to go ahead and lock it, unless another mod needs to add something.

[Dechipher]

Not to be combative, of course, but do we really have enough traffic that we need to lock things that aren't inherently harmful?

[Brasel]

Nah, it can remain open. I actually want it to remain open. I genuinely want to know what this is all about.

[rock_nog]

Is anyone any closer to understanding what's going on here? I thought maybe I'd revisit this thread to see if I could glean anything new from it, and I just feel more confused than ever. I will say, more and more, it does sound like mental illness - there almost seems to be a pattern in the way the thoughts and ideas here don't quite seem to fit together, if that makes any sense. Either that or a spambot has attained sentience.

[Chris Miller]

Fair enough. Just seemed like a mercy killing from my end. :D



Either that or a spambot has attained sentience.

Give it twenty years. That's gonna be interesting.

[Tim]

Zim was introduced to acid.

[Gleeok]

It is all about the patterns of reality one can view when being "visited" by aliens vs. "visiting" aberrant flow within the stream of consciousness that is humanic environment and the fallout of one's own mental integrity as a result of that perception. You can also be "just visiting" but sooner or later you are going to have to move, and if you don't pass go they will collect you from the game board; you can delay the rendering of your avatar by covering it with tin foil and turning off the lights, but this only lasts for so long.

The more time we spend visiting, the more we are alone.

[Chris Miller]

I often have tremendous epiphanies when visiting the john.

[Downloader]

Who/What/When/Where/How/and Why are you people so obsessed with copyright infringement?