Xbox One

[mrz84]

Which I will hereafter refer to as X1 for the duration of this thread.


So now that the reveal has happened what are your thoughts. Personally I thought it was interesting, the voice commands seem nice and being able to do multitasking is pretty good.
However I'm not entirely convinced on getting this console, for several reasons. Some of these were mentioned in the show itself, while others have come to light from youtube channels
reporting about questions MS answered after the show (screwattack, escapist magazine, etc) such as: no backwards compatability with ANYTHING on 360 (this includes hard discs AND XL Arcade), pre-owned games require an additional fee as does lending your game to a friend, no DRM however you need the net to register your game to your account (which is then downloaded to the X1's HD).

I see this console destroying the used game/rental markets. You can't rent a game because of the registration process and if you decide to buy a used game you have to pay a additional fee just to play it.
The same goes for anybody who buys your used games from you. Or if you just LEND them to a friend who is interested in the game, but wants to try before they buy.

While there is no DRM, there is the need to have an active internet connection to register your new game to your account, which might as well be called DRM really You also can;t use most of the features without a internet connection (skype, internet, etc).

There are some things that still aren't confirmed about the X1 (price, the pre-owned/used game registration fee, etc) and while the games and all that look great, I'm not sold on the pretty visuals and all that alone.

Anyways, sorry if I went into rant mode or anything. Discuss or ignore this thread at your leisure. :kitty:

[Gleeok]

Don't they already have an XBOX 1? ..So what, they decided to start over, but this time around try and rape everyone in the process? ..Lets see

-Required internet connection in 24 hour periods. Check.
-Required online registration of games to play them. Check.
-Required registration, and FEE$, for all used games. Check.
-No backward compatibility. Check. (But I'm sure they'll be nice and let you re-buy games you probably already have with xbox net.)
-This all sounds good, but I'm not buying a console that can't monitor my heart hate... can it? Check. (oh joy)
-Netbox first, gaming console second. Check.


One word: Fuck you Micro$oft.
Do I really want a console that I can watch TV on? If I wanted to watch cable TV in the first place I would buy cable TV.
Do I need a console that can do half of what a PC can do but half as good? No. That's why I have a PC.
I guess they really want to transform my TV into a giant tablet.

Yeah, I'm not having any of that.

[ShadowTiger]

In my opinion, it's a perfectly just cause to be ranting. It's really quite the paradigm shift in what the casual or hardcore player expects to engage in while gaming, or perusing the electronic marketplace for entertainment. If Microsoft opts to force their hand, they'll have many mixed reactions. I haven't necessarily seen an influx of positive reactions to this either. It's rather disconcerting.

[Xyvol]

I feel Microsoft is shooting itself in the foot with this one, if it's true that internet connectivity is required to do anything on the console such as play a retail bought game. "Everyone is online" is not as true as you might think. Many people still don't have in-home internet, whether it be due to location, finances, or any number of other reasons. In fact I will have to tell a lady friend of mine, who is a single mother, not to get this for her son because it requires an internet connection they don't have. Myself, because of my location, I pay more than most people to get decent internet to my house because it's a rural area. I am ok with this cost, others are not.

As far as the used games issue goes, there are a lot of unknowns out there now so I'm going to limit myself to this one thought. If an internet connection is required to make the game work, be it registration code or gameplay, then why not make it a download and not even bother with a physical product? It's obvious they want to kill the used games market, so make it a digital download. Those can't be redistributed. Why half-ass it and make me drive to the store to pick up a disk that requires me to connect to the net to authenticate it. If the speed of said internet connection is an issue, then why are we even starting down this road?

Back at the end of last year, I was debating whether I should buy a 360 to play the 360 games I wanted, or wait until the new system was released. Looks like I made the right choice in buying the 360 as the X1 doesn't have backwards compatibility. I haven't used it much and I see no reason to buy the new one.

[Gleeok]

Quote from fox news:


Indeed, the Xbox One demonstration was so impressive it made me wonder, why the heck didn't they do this with the disastrous Windows 8?


I'm going to do a complete 720 here (plus another 360...plus One...) and end up facing in the exact same direction I started (give or take one) and say that if there's anything worse than MS trying to control the way gaming worldwide, it's Fox News. :shakehead:

Article:
http://kotaku.com/mainstream-media-reacts-to-the-xbox-one-509243303

[mrz84]

Wow. Those quotes make my head hurt.

Also, did anybody else think the X1's design looks kinda like an NES? I kept getting that vibe from the reveal.

And this: http://playeressence.com/amazon-uk-wii-u-sales-rank-jumps-by-875-following-microsofts-xbox-one-reveal/?fb_source=pubv1

[ZTC]

You know why they call it the Xbox One? Because you take one look at it and walk away!

dohohohohohoho


(couldn't resist :p )

[Xyvol]

Has anyone seen the movie "Wag the Dog"?

"Of course there's a war - I saw it on TV."

[Aliem]

I'm not really that surprised by the general entertainment focus they're trying to put on it. The idea of charging a fee to play a used game is, I think, a mistake. It also makes me wonder how they're going to handle rentals; will there be special activation codes, or simply no physical rental copies?

The idea that it can replace every box is the living room is simply absurd though; from what I understand you'll have to plug a cable box into the console itself to watch TV through it, and lack of backwards compatibility would require anyone who already owns an xbox 360 to keep that plugged in as well. Though on the whole, lack of backwards compatibility doesn't really bother me that much. PS4 isn't going to support it either.

I think the big problem here is there's no real focus. I think the downplay of gaming will turn off a lot of gamers, and I think the more or less uselessness of the other features (wow I can finally watch TV on my TV! Thanks, Microsoft!) will not make it a must-have entertainment hub for the general public.

I don't think this is going to fail, but I certainly don't think it's going to be the success Microsoft assumes it will be. I expect a stripped-down version eventually, focusing on a pure console gaming experience in the not-too-distant future.

or I could be wrong and it'll outsell the PS2. lawl.

[Zim]

So I'm browsing things with my laptop on the internet, and I see this thread. I check it out, and it reminds me of a system I saw back in 2000 or so about the "Infinti" - which was an automobile company I think - game console. It reminded me of that because of the 'must be online' feature that the infiniti console bolstered. It was 'high end.' Only richer people could buy one, because it was like $700 plus to start, and then monthly dues and whatnot, needless to say I never actually came across one ever, not sure if they even hit production, because I didn't even see one for sale.. Although I do remember something about Florida.. Like they were going to sell mainly in the southeast US was the deal or something.. (as far away from MS corp as possible)
Anyway, I'm searching browsers, and this wouldn't be the first incident of this type in my life, I type in something, even something completely random, and an ad-lib site comes up that is a word-around with /U Your Idea Here /U in the midst of a prefabricated article all about your new idea being the biggest thing on the internet. I ranted about this already here at AGN, but the U.S.P.T.O. office states that by US law, the ORIGINATOR of the idea holds all rights and patents, trademarks, and copyrights to any utility or material good they made first, with or without a registration.. Anyway, after reading the X-box 1 article I type that in, and these articles are not directing me, nor could google produce front-page search results for the Infiniti game console, like it never existed, but is claiming that XBox is going to be named XBox Infinity. That's alright either way even if they didn't just steal another genius idea.. Except for that this time they're not even stealing my idea.. It was someone else's.
Edit: upon consideration of the facts, I would've actually recommended to the board that the system be dubbed the "XBox -2." I would've went with "-1" but I like to think that people should, if they must become immersed in video game land, never to return, due to stunning visual graphics that rival even the sweetest scents of the cherry blooms in the orchards next to the waterfalls, that they should at least depart from the rest of us in pairs.

[Gleeok]

Here's one:

What if someone you know borrows your game for a day, pays the "used game fee" and installs it, then returns it back to you?

It seems like Microsoft is trying to eliminate physical copies of games on a system that will run mostly physical copies of games.



So I'm browsing things with my laptop on the internet, and I see this thread. I check it out, and it reminds me of a system I saw back in 2000 or so about the "Infinti" - which was an automobile company I think - game console. It reminded me of that because of the 'must be online' feature that the infiniti console bolstered. It was 'high end.' Only richer people could buy one, because it was like $700 plus to start, and then monthly dues and whatnot, needless to say I never actually came across one ever, not sure if they even hit production, because I didn't even see one for sale..
Although I do remember something about Florida.. Like they were going to sell mainly in the southeast US was the deal or something.. (as far away from MS corp as possible)

Anyway, I'm searching browsers, and this wouldn't be the first incident of this type in my life, I type in something, even something completely random, and an ad-lib site comes up that is a word-around with /U Your Idea Here /U in the midst of a prefabricated article all about your new idea being the biggest thing on the internet. I ranted about this already here at AGN, but the U.S.P.T.O. office states that by US law, the ORIGINATOR of the idea holds all rights and patents, trademarks, and copyrights to any utility or material good they made first, with or without a registration..

Anyway, after reading the X-box 1 article I type that in, and these articles are not directing me, nor could google produce front-page search results for the Infiniti game console, like it never existed, but is claiming that XBox is going to be named XBox Infinity. That's alright either way even if they didn't just steal another genius idea.. Except for that this time they're not even stealing my idea.. It was someone else's.

Edit: upon consideration of the facts, I would've actually recommended to the board that the system be dubbed the "XBox -2." I would've went with "-1" but I like to think that people should, if they must become immersed in video game land, never to return, due to stunning visual graphics that rival even the sweetest scents of the cherry blooms in the orchards next to the waterfalls, that they should at least depart from the rest of us in pairs.

Dood.. we love you random-guy, but please, please insert some extra new lines in your posts. We just got a new shipment of them in so we are not going to run out any time soon! :P

[MasterSwordUltima]

Remember when some folks thought it was whack that the PS2 was allegedly going to have a Pizza Hut feature so you can get pizza while you game?





...seemed like an appropriate comment to add...

[Ventus]

Well I already know that I don't like this console, I know when I heard about the fee for used games I hated this XB1, which let me add that the name is about stupid.
Its like they took it 359 degrees backwards, which is retarded. <.<

[MasterSwordUltima]

Paying for used games/borrowing games/renting? games.

Must be connected to internet.

Kinect must be connected, and turned on.

No thanks. I'm not surprised that Wii U sales have gone up since this was announced.

[Gleeok]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-05-29-microsoft-has-USD1-billion-for-exclusive-xbox-one-titles

Quick, somebody do something....We can throw some rocks.. or sharpen some sticks.. or something, right?

[mrz84]

Paying for used games/borrowing games/renting? games.

Must be connected to internet.

Kinect must be connected, and turned on.

No thanks. I'm not surprised that Wii U sales have gone up since this was announced.

My thoughts exactly. Also I posted this on page one, but here it is again in case you missed it: http://playeressence.com/amazon-uk-wii-u-sales-rank-jumps-by-875-following-microsofts-xbox-one-reveal/?fb_source=pubv1



Also, woot! my 5000th post!

[Ventus]

Buy the way you want—disc or digital—on the same day: You’ll be able to buy disc-based games at traditional retailers or online through Xbox Live, on day of release. Discs will continue to be a great way to install your games quickly.

Access your entire games library from any Xbox One—no discs required: After signing in and installing, you can play any of your games from any Xbox One because a digital copy of your game is stored on your console and in the cloud. So, for example, while you are logged in at your friend’s house, you can play your games.

Share access to your games with everyone inside your home: Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you.

Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.

Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.


To ensure Xbox One works optimally and can offer the experiences described above, it is designed with the following networking requirements:

For an optimal experience, we recommend a broadband connection of 1.5Mbps. (For reference, the average global internet connection speed as measured recently by Akamai was 2.9 Mbps). In areas where an Ethernet connection is not available, you can connect using mobile broadband.

While a persistent connection is not required, Xbox One is designed to verify if system, application or game updates are needed and to see if you have acquired new games, or resold, traded in, or given your game to a friend. Games that are designed to take advantage of the cloud may require a connection.

With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies.


Just some more info Microsoft releases, now its a perfect time to say the XB1 will suck. :P

[SUCCESSOR]

With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies.

Now I will certainly never own one of these.

[mrz84]

More news for the X1: http://www.gamespot.com//news/publishers-undecided-on-blocking-xbox-one-preowned-sales-6409463?

I like how out of the 6 companies that have been reached out to for a comment, only EA and Activision are the only 2 that have said NOTHING about it so far.
Makes me think they'll be on board with the idea 100% (I wouldn't be surprised if they had a hand in the idea)

[Gleeok]

LOL. Flowchart explaining how the XBOXOne works:

http://venturebeat.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/xbox-flowchart.jpg?w=558&h=527

http://venturebeat.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/xbox-flowchart.jpg

[Ventus]

Gleeok That's the best thing ever, It shows no matter what you do you are screwed lol.

[erm2003]

Gleeok I just shared that with one of my friends who has been trashing the Xbox One for a few days now. Much appreciated. That being said, PS4 has announced they will allow used games and don't require the constant internet connection. It will be interesting to get a true side by side comparison once all the specs have been released.

[Gleeok]

People have started calling it the "XBone" (XB-one) now. Hope it sticks. :)

Looks like retail is going to be $500+ for the xbone. Factor in sales tax + cost of a game + (insert other things you need) another controller ($60), and that's a lot of clams.


Gleeok I just shared that with one of my friends who has been trashing the Xbox One for a few days now. Much appreciated. That being said, PS4 has announced they will allow used games and don't require the constant internet connection. It will be interesting to get a true side by side comparison once all the specs have been released.

I know that Sony filed patents for DRM crap a while back, but it looks like they just want the rights for it (so far), and aren't using it.

The specs for both look pretty much identical, except the PS4 has more memory bandwidth and shader throughput.



Also: WY DOES THE XBONE NEED ALWAYS CONNECT KINECT & CAMERA & MICROPHONE?!?! (To steal my dreams???)

http://www.myrtlebeachwebdesign.com/blog/george-in-a-tin-foil-hat.jpg
"I ain't gonna let Microsoft take captain puss-puss without a fight."

[Ventus]

Here is the what the Microsoft Xbox Executive Don Mattrick had to tell people what they could do if they don't have internet.

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Doesn't that sound like a bullshit statement?.

[Gleeok]

Video is no longer available...

I will have to use my imagination contraption: "Ya see this here stick boy? You grab it really good like, then you shove in in yer ass like that, ya see?

...That was unnecessarily unimaginative. I hope I kept the receipt.

[Ventus]

Damn they removed the video...

Anyways, here is another link to the same video.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yC8FbgGnd0

[SUCCESSOR]

Does that mean they will continue to support the 360? I'm okay with that.

[erm2003]

Does that mean they will continue to support the 360? I'm okay with that.

I think they are going to have to. I am thinking their initial sales will just be the people who will buy it no matter what because it's an XBox, but once that out of the gate sales period is over, they may slow down bad to Wii U status unless they change their strategy here.

[Ventus]

Does that mean they will continue to support the 360? I'm okay with that.
I'me sure they'll support it for awhile I give it 3 years tops, but after that I'm sure Microsoft will want their user's to move on to the new thing.


And also what that video proves is that Microsoft does not care about the people that don't have a good/no internet connection.

[Aliem]

What a bad thing to say, especially in the midst of so many already negative reactions from the gaming community. It almost seems like he's saying "you don't have a connection good enough? We don't want your kind here!"

Microsoft knows they're pissing people off, but they don't care, because they also know they'll sell a lot of units. Unless they don't. Then we'll start seeing some real damage control.

[WindStrike]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/d8c9467f3dc011966f1c7cc10a0a3598/tumblr_mobcz3Lc7h1rsmjeno1_500.jpg

I think of all of the Xboned pictures, that's gotta be my favorite.

[Radium]

One supposed MS dev attemps to explain http://pastebin.com/uCmdh9jB

I personally don't get this "On a console you have to pay for that PLUS any additional licenses for when you sell / trade / borrow / etc." Yeah, bullshit.

[Gleeok]

Don't know if it's true or not:

http://venturebeat.com/2013/06/19/rumor-claims-microsoft-abandoning-most-of-its-xbox-one-drm-policies/

Microsoft is really confusing...

[Xyvol]

Apparently so:
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update


After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again.

INTERNET STILL REQUIRED. Unless anyone knows of a pay by the hour ISP?

[mrz84]

I'm still probably gonna get a PS4 for KH3 and FF15. And the inevitable release of future Disgaea games on it. That and the X1 launch lineup/window has no exclusives I'm interested in. And PS4 is $100 less.

[erm2003]

Don't know if it's true or not:

http://venturebeat.com/2013/06/19/rumor-claims-microsoft-abandoning-most-of-its-xbox-one-drm-policies/

Microsoft is really confusing...

They must have actually heard everyone's complaints, AKA the pre-order numbers must have been horrific and they realized they had to make a change fast or risk flopping out of the gate.

I am glad they are making the changes but I still don't like the fact that if you have any arcade games or other 360 downloads they won't work with the XBone. Why? Even Nintendo figured out how to emulate this properly with the Wii U. Just seems lazy to me.

[SUCCESSOR]

Sad little M$ backing down. Too bad. They had some good ideas. Not for me, but they are still good ideas. I'll probably still buy a PS4 instead.