And the winner is...

[Pineconn]

Barack Obama.

[Masamune]

http://jj.am/gallery/d/48017-1/Obama_fuckyeah.jpg

[bigjoe]

We just got Barack Rolled. PWNED.

[Russ]

I was half expecting it. America has just elected a radical socialist President. I'm almost at a loss for words. Mark my words, it won't be long before the gears of socialism start turning in America.

[AlphaDawg]

I'm watching FOX News right now... it looks like Juan Williams is about to burst into tears of joy.

I'm just wondering how the networks were able to call California for Obama not even 30 seconds after the polls closed out there.

I've never been one of those forecasting the apocalypse if Obama won. So I'm willing to give him a fair shot.

Hopefully, for their own sake, the Democrats learned something from 1992 and won't get obliterated in 2010 like they did in 1994.

[Beldaran]

$200 Billion in capital gains leaving for accounts in neutral banks in 3...2...1...

[Masamune]

I was half expecting it. America has just elected a radical socialist President. I'm almost at a loss for words. Mark my words, it won't be long before the gears of socialism start turning in America.

Do you have 46 chromosomes?

[Yoshiman]

Finally the campaign ads are over.


Now who's ready for all the bitching and moaning? : D

EDIT-@Masa: That picture is epic.

[AlexMax]

I was half expecting it. America has just elected a radical socialist President. I'm almost at a loss for words. Mark my words, it won't be long before the gears of socialism start turning in America.

How has your brain not jumped out of your skull, unraveled itself and strangled you to death yet?

[The_Amaster]

*sigh* I wish McCain was a jerk. I'm listening to his speech, and I just feel bad for the guy. For years now he's been trying, and he came so close...

Obama all the way though. Woot!

[ZTC]

Sadly, this country is already steeped into socialism, russ. It's just going to get worse now.

[Russ]

Sadly, this country is already steeped into socialism, russ. It's just going to get worse now.
Which is why I'm upset. Heck, right now I'm depressed nearly to the point of suicide. I just can't believe we elected Obama.

[ZTC]

I'm upset, too, but that doesn't mean you should kill yourself.

[AlexMax]

*sigh* I wish McCain was a jerk. I'm listening to his speech, and I just feel bad for the guy. For years now he's been trying, and he came so close...

If you've been listening to the beeb coverage of the election (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/us_elections_2008/7700298.stm), they mentioned that the McCain on stage at that moment was the 'old' McCain, the moderate McCain who was actually liked by both sides. And I totally, 100% agreed with their assessment, the McCain on that stage had class that I haven't seen from the man in years.

It's a shame that instead of trying to out-appeal Obama, he resorted to trying to sling as much mud as possible to try and make some of it stick, even devolving into fear mongering.

And Palin was simply an awful choice. It was a blatant attempt to appeal to disenfranchised Hilary supporters, but once she actually opened her ignorant mouth it was over.

One really has to wonder, did McCain's campaign prove that he's simply two-faced, or did he simply trust the wrong people and get bad campaign advice.

[Trevelyan_06]

Which is why I'm upset. Heck, right now I'm depressed nearly to the point of suicide. I just can't believe we elected Obama.

This shows you have a very poor outlook on things. What evidence do you have that Obama will turn this country into this vast socialist machine that you seem to think he's going to?



And Palin was simply an awful choice. It was a blatant attempt to appeal to disenfranchised Hilary supporters, but once she actually opened her ignorant mouth it was over.


Picking someone who is not Pro-choice in an attempt to capture the vote from disenfranchised women and feminist is a bit like saying, "Hey I have the next Pope all picked out.....but he's Jewish. Is that going to be a problem?"

[erm2003]

AlexMax, I couldn't agree with you more. Once McCain picked the mother from Bobby's World as his running mate, I knew it was to simply appeal to Hillary voters. There were so many better options the Republican party could have chosen for VP, but they didn't. I think it really lost some Republican voters.

[AlexMax]

Which is why I'm upset. Heck, right now I'm depressed nearly to the point of suicide. I just can't believe we elected Obama.

You. Are. Going. To. Be. Fine.

[AlphaDawg]

I'm a little bummed, but life goes on.

Hey, at least the Phillies are still World Phuckin' Champions!

Palin in 2012!

[Lilith]

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[Russ]

What evidence do you have that Obama will turn this country into this vast socialist machine that you seem to think he's going to?


How about he wants to "spread the wealth around?" There are plenty of examples. Just look underneath the surface.

[Anthus]

Yay.

Now for some substance.

[MottZilla]

I'm very happy with the outcome. I'm also happy that McCain was not a dick in his speech. I hope he makes an effort to try to get everyone to work together and move us in the right direction like he said. It's a good night. Hopefully things will get done now. Also I'm all for wealth redistribution in the opposite direction it has been. See I'm one of the middle class people the wealth has been leaving for the rich. I'm all for the wealth moving from the rich to the middle class and the poor.

[The_Amaster]

I'll be honest, for quite a bit of the election, I was divided between the two of them. McCain felt more stable, Obama felt more innovative. But then McCain just started stopping lower and lower to attract votes, and I kinda lost interest...

[ZTC]

Yeah, say that to a Cubs fan, Alphadawg. /boos
Looks like the Republicans can still fillibuster stuff. Eh...

[AlphaDawg]

Let me revise and extend my comments from above...

If Al Franken somehow manages to win a Senate seat, all bets are off. Electing Obama is one thing, but electing a nutjob like Franken is another thing entirely! Then again, Minnesotans did elect Jesse Ventura...*

Also, Palin-Jindal 2012!

* I actually agree with Ventura on a lot of things, but he's definitely a little on the loony side.

[AlexMax]

This song is the best song right now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6IQoOvvc1g

[Beldaran]

So in 4 years when poverty rates haven't gone down, we can put to bed the rumor that democrats know anything about the economy.

[AtmaWeapon]

So in 4 years when poverty rates haven't gone down, we can put to bed the rumor that democrats know anything about the economy.Or perhaps we'll accept, after thousands of years of evidence to support it, that to a certain extent there will always be poverty?

[Beldaran]

Or perhaps we'll accept, after thousands of years of evidence to support it, that to a certain extent there will always be poverty?

No, didn't you get the memo? Obama is president. Candy will fall from the sky and trees will start growing money and health insurance vouchers.

We're saved!

[ZTC]

but what about stopping the spread of AIDS?

[AlexMax]

but what about stopping the spread of AIDS?

That can only be accomplished by you clicking "log out".

[MottZilla]

I'm glad you found someone you don't like even more than Obama. Infact that's a good strategy. Well I don't like person A, but atleast it's not that god awful person B.

[rock_nog]

Ultimately, it was great all around, in my opinion. Frankly, I was especially impressed with McCain's speech - it was so wonderful to see the McCain I remembered from back before he started his campaign.

Regarding socialism - it really is absurd when even McCain himself has stated that Obama isn't a socialist that we even have this argument. That's all I really have to say on the matter.

At the end of the day - truly a historic event, however you personally feel about the candidates. And I'll admit, I'm fairly optimistic about Obama - though we'll just have to wait and see on that.

[Pryme8]

god damn it obama won... im pissed M.C. Cain all the way...

[Shazza Dani]

Hooray for Obama-sama! I'm happy/excited.

[moocow]

No, didn't you get the memo? Obama is president. Candy will fall from the sky and trees will start growing money and health insurance vouchers.

We're saved!

LMAO.

I love you.

[Vagla]

It's a good night. Hopefully things will get done now. Also I'm all for wealth redistribution in the opposite direction it has been. See I'm one of the middle class people the wealth has been leaving for the rich. I'm all for the wealth moving from the rich to the middle class and the poor.

See I'm one of the upper-middle class people the wealth has been leaving for you. The only way the rich get your money (unless their corporations are being bailed out because of feel-good loan policies forced upon them by the Clinton administration (http://www.city-journal.org/html/10_1_the_trillion_dollar.html)) is when you trade it to them for goods and services.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/galleries/2008/fortune/0810/gallery.tully_henrys.fortune/images/mag_HEN10_SLIDE_graphic.gif

So, how is it your money is being redistributed to the rich if you're not giving it to them? What bass-ackwards world are you living in where this is happening? The top 12% pay 74% of the taxes for all sorts of the 'free' services that you take for granted, but you've convinced yourself that somehow you're getting the short end of the stick with regard to tax burden. Surely it must be fair to take more money from these people because everyone is equal and deserves the money just as much regardless of effort and ability.

Most small businesses are even making enough that their endless wealth is going to be redistributed down the social ladder. That's definitely some good incentive to take risks to start up a business, and to go to school and work hard to learn the things one needs to know to succeed in life. We can't all be handed money like apparently you and this wonderful citizen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI).

The world isn't equal. Our government doesn't exist to make it equal. Our government exists to ensure our safety, our rights, our basic freedoms. It exists to ensure life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, not wealth nor the pursuit thereof. For all the care we put into attempting to interpret the meaning of the constitution and the true intent of our founding fathers, we forget this very key fact. It's time we as a country remember it.

But yes, this election did turn out well; I'm certainly happy with the results. I can't wait to see the Civilian National Security Force (as large, powerful, and well-funded ($500 billion!) as the military) patrolling our streets. I'm looking forward to socialized health care, as it'll be nice to have to wait 6 months for a vital MRI like in Canada instead of getting even a non-vital MRI within hours. I'm thrilled about more of my money being taken from me and given to those who deserve it less. I really want my right to bear arms and protect myself to be further limited or even taken away so I'm unable to defend myself when someone who has a firearm illegally is pointing it in my direction. Most of all, though, I'm excited to see the lasting effect that B.O. will have on our lives. He will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.

I'll definitely feel safer then.

[ShadowTiger]

The "Long" post I could've made focused on McCain's positive sides over Obama's.

The short post consisted of this:
"As long as nobody chokes on any pretzels again."

[Yoshiman]

I really hate to go a bit off-topic and pick points, but I need to throw in my 2 cents here.


I really want my right to bear arms and protect myself to be further limited or even taken away so I'm unable to defend myself when someone who has a firearm illegally is pointing it in my direction.
Now, I'm all for the right to bear arms, but this argument always annoyed me. Do you honestly think that when a guy is pointing a gun at you, you'll have enough time to reach in your coat pocket, grab your weapon, and shoot him before he shoots you? It'd work in action movies and video games, but not in real life. :|

[SUCCESSOR]

I really wanted to have shirts made out to sell that would say, "NIGGA BE PRESIDENT!!!" Unfortunately I was to lazy and too broke to fulfill myself in such a way.

Other than the fact that I FUCKING HATE Palin I really didn't care about the election. Had I voted it would have been for Obama but not because I like him or his whatever. All I really care about is that he is black. I wish I were black.

Oh well... At least I got a ghetto bootay!
http://www.armageddongames.net/forums/image.php?u=132&dateline=1223025235




I'm done now, really, I am...

[Archibaldo]

You Americans would be pissed no matter who one.

[rock_nog]

Me, I'm just pissed that Michele Bachmann won. Seriously, holy crap - friggin' Ms. Joe-McCarthy-Reincarnated. At least she's not in my district - which actually, come to think of it, is kind of a shame - it would've been great to get to vote against the bitch.

Closing thoughts:
http://backonthestreets.ytmnd.com/

[Shazza Dani]

You Americans would be pissed no matter who one.

That sounds like a shot at americans, but I don't get it. Obviously when two sides are divided over anything, somebody won't be happy with the outcome.

[Archibaldo]

That sounds like a shot at americans, but I don't get it. Obviously when two sides are divided over anything, somebody won't be happy with the outcome.

Almost. I'm saying that every one here whos bitching about Obama would also be bitching if McCain won. There's no pleasing you guys. At least in Canada, after an election nobody complains this much. We say "Oh well, maybe next time", here it's all "OMG it's the end of the world!".

[rock_nog]

Well, the truth is, this all goes back to about the mid-90s, where the Republicans got sick of playing fair and decided to rally behind fear-mongering to take Congress. They really latched on this idea of convincing people that liberals are destroying America. It was an overwhelming success, and they've been using it ever since. However, ultimately, I think this race was a final judgment on that brand of politics, and if the Republicans are smart, they'll abandon it.

And to be fair, elections have always had a lot of tension associated with them, but it really wasn't until the mid-90s Republican coup that your really saw this bitterness and nastiness that manages to carry itself past election day. And don't get me wrong - I'm not saying the Republicans are entirely to blame, because both sides these days really get into this "end of the world" business, but the Republicans were the first to figure out how to use it to get votes. Just my take on the whole thing, in terms of why we no longer just suck it up and accept it.

[Cloral]

So who won the 'pick the states' contest?

[MottZilla]

Almost. I'm saying that every one here whos bitching about Obama would also be bitching if McCain won. There's no pleasing you guys. At least in Canada, after an election nobody complains this much. We say "Oh well, maybe next time", here it's all "OMG it's the end of the world!".

Well, when's the last time Canada had a leader elected that made Canada invade a country and spend billions of dollars you didn't have?

Valga

The top 12% pay 74% of the taxes for all sorts of the 'free' services that you take for granted, but you've convinced yourself that somehow you're getting the short end of the stick with regard to tax burden. Surely it must be fair to take more money from these people because everyone is equal and deserves the money just as much regardless of effort and ability.

I never said that. My point is that good ol' Bush ran the country deeper into debt and who's going to pay for it? Well you can't expect lower and middle class people to pay for it. When you make the majority of the money you can afford to pay the majority of the taxes. The real people who should see their taxes increase is not you Valga, if you really are upper-middle class. It's the people making millions and millions. People like executives of big companies.

Btw, your wealth hasn't been leaving to me. Next I too am a big supporter of gun rights.

Yoshiman, it does make a difference to have a gun on you. While it's true if someone comes out of no where intent on killing you, there is not a big chance of a good outcome unless they miss while you ready and fire your weapon back. But there are other possibilities where someone might threaten you but you still have an opening to draw and use your weapon. Also, death is not instant upon being shot, if someone was going to shoot you, there's still the possibility you could draw your weapon and shoot back and kill them too, or perhaps you will be a better shot and kill them while you are just wounded.

[Shazza Dani]

While you're all discussing the possibility of firearms being outlawed, I'm still here pissed off that I can't own a flick-knife. *rage*

[MottZilla]

Flick-knife? I have a butterfly knife, a big "flick" open type knife, and two swords. None of these things were restricted. The two knives came from a local mall infact. Where do you live where you can't have a knife? Ofcourse here there is a restriction on the length of the blade if you carry a knife.

[Cloral]

Is mighty_darknut under 18? There may be knife restrictions depending on age in some areas.

[Trevelyan_06]

I believe he was referring to a switch blade. A knife who's blade is spring loaded allowing for a slight "flick" and the blade will snap into place quite forcefully. They've been outlawed in the US for some years now.

[Shazza Dani]

Yeah, I'm talking about a switchblade. Flick-knife is a british term for it, and I use british english because I just roll like that.

[Pineconn]

After thinking about it for a while (and note that I am, er, was a McCain supporter), one definite positive comes out of the results of the election.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/PokeMaster/obmc-foreign.png

Obama was a clear favorite with other countries, so perhaps the outcome of the election will improve our foreign relations. Just a thought.

[Lilith]

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[Russ]

After thinking about it for a while (and note that I am, er, was a McCain supporter), one definite positive comes out of the results of the election.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/PokeMaster/obmc-foreign.png

Obama was a clear favorite with other countries, so perhaps the outcome of the election will improve our foreign relations. Just a thought.
I'd have to say it's because a lot of other countries are envious of the US. The fact that they want Obama would show that they think he'll weaken the US and we won't be so much better than they are. Just a thought.

[EatinCake]

I'd have to say it's because a lot of other countries are envious of the US. The fact that they want Obama would show that they think he'll weaken the US and we won't be so much better than they are. Just a thought.
Yes. The rest of the world wants us to fail. Just last month we got to see what happens to the rest of the world when we fail, I'm sure they like it when economies crash left & right.


Very interesting article about both campaigns.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/o...a_n_141358.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/obama-we-cant-solve-globa_n_141358.html)


-- McCain himself rarely spoke to Palin during the campaign and aides kept him in the dark about the details of her spending on clothes because they were sure he would be offended. Palin asked to speak along with McCain at his Arizona concession speech but campaign strategist Steve Schmidt vetoed the request.


-- The Obama campaign was provided with reports from the Secret Service showing a sharp and very disturbing increase in threats to Obama in September and early October, at the same time that the crowds at Palin rallies became more frenzied. Michelle Obama was shaken by the vituperative crowds and the hot rhetoric from the GOP candidates. "Why would they try to make people hate us?" Michelle Obama said to a top campaign aide.

-- On the Sunday night before the last debate, McCain's core group of advisers--Steve Schmidt, Rick Davis, adman Fred Davis, strategist Greg Strimple, pollster Bill McInturff and strategy director Sarah Simmons -- met to decide whether or not to tell McCain that the race was effectively over, that he no longer had a chance to win. The consensus in the room was no, not yet, not while he still had "a pulse."

-- The Obama campaign's "New Media" experts created a computer program that would allow a "flusher"--the term for a volunteer who rounds up nonvoters on Election Day--to know exactly who had, and had not, voted in real time. They dubbed it Project Houdini, because of the way names disappear off the list instantly once people are identified as they wait in line at their local polling station.

-- Palin launched her attack on Obama's association with William Ayers, the former Weather Underground bomber, before the campaign had finalized a plan to raise the issue. McCain's advisers were working on a strategy that they hoped to unveil the following week, but McCain had not signed off on it, and top adviser Mark Salter was resisting.

-- McCain also was reluctant to use Obama's incendiary pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright as a campaign issue. He had set firm boundaries: no Jeremiah Wright; no attacking Michelle Obama; no attacking Obama for not serving in the military. McCain balked at an ad using images of children that suggested that Obama might not protect them from terrorism; Schmidt vetoed ads suggesting that Obama was soft on crime (no Willie Hortons); and before word even got to McCain, Schmidt and Salter scuttled a "celebrity" ad of Obama dancing with talk-show host Ellen DeGeneres (the sight of a black man dancing with a lesbian was deemed too provocative).

-- Obama was never inclined to choose Sen. Hillary Clinton as his running mate, not so much because she had been his sometime bitter rival on the campaign trail, but because of her husband. Still, as Hillary's name came up in veep discussions, and Obama's advisers gave all the reasons why she should be kept off the ticket, Obama would stop and ask, "Are we sure?" He needed to be convinced one more time that the Clintons would do more harm than good. McCain, on the other hand, was relieved to face Biden as the veep choice, and not Hillary Clinton, whom the McCain camp had truly feared.

-- McCain was dumbfounded when Congressman John Lewis, a civil-rights hero, issued a press release comparing McCain with former Alabama Gov. George Wallace, a segregationist infamous for stirring racial fears. McCain had devoted a chapter to Lewis in one of his books, "Why Courage Matters" and had so admired Lewis that he had once taken his children to meet him.

-- The debates unnerved both candidates. When he was preparing for the Democratic primary debates, Obama was recorded saying, "I don't consider this to be a good format for me, which makes me more cautious. I often find myself trapped by the questions and thinking to myself, 'You know, this is a stupid question, but let me ... answer it.' So when Brian Williams is asking me about what's a personal thing that you've done [that's green], and I say, you know, 'Well, I planted a bunch of trees.' And he says, 'I'm talking about personal.' What I'm thinking in my head is, 'Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I f---ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective'."

[rock_nog]

OMFG Russ, would you please cut it out? I know you're not happy with Obama, but please, this has got to end. The US isn't going to collapse because Obama was elected. And even if things go to shit, guess what? We get to elect a new president in four years. Seriously man, get a grip!

[phattonez]

OMFG Russ, would you please cut it out? I know you're not happy with Obama, but please, this has got to end. The US isn't going to collapse because Obama was elected. And even if things go to shit, guess what? We get to elect a new president in four years. Seriously man, get a grip!

I don't understand the depression on either side. Democrats in California are mad about Prop 8, and many conservatives are mad about Obama. Whatever, it is what it is. I'll keep advocating that my country get back to what it was built on. Hopefully people will want freedom again over comfort.

[AlexMax]

Something occurred to me that is far more sinister. The Republican party is going to change. But the big question is, is it going to change for the better.

There is clearly a sizable Republican base that is nationalist, racist, xenophobic, anti-intellectual, ignorant of economic issues, ignorant of foreign policy issues, and probably wants revenge after this humiliating defeat. They are not magically going to disappear between now and the next election cycle, and McCain's final speech - perhaps the only glimpse of McCain the moderate in the last six years - was booed by a sizable portion of the audience.

What if the republican party (Note I said party, as in the old white men in Washington, not you the voting public), instead of blaming Palin for being a complete fucking idiot and McCain's campaign managers for trying to run a message that America was clearly tired of hearing, blames McCain for being too moderate and not being able to commit 100% (He did, after all designate several things off limits and actually vetoed some ads that he felt were 'over the line')?

What if, instead of shifting towards the middle, the GOP veers even further right in an attempt to mobilize their radical base? Obama mentioned that the years ahead would not be easy by any stretch of the imagination, which might disenfranchise voters who only heard 'change' and not 'hard work'. Whats worse, the democrats margin in the Senate is NOT filibuster-proof.

Sarah Palin in 2012 would be an awful beyond belief, but then again it's not even a day after the election and Fox News is already savaging their own fucking party in an attempt to remain relevant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4Bc). Here's hoping to the final death of the Nixon-Regan-Bush "Axis of Evil" GOP and the birth of a new, more progressive party.

[phattonez]

Sarah Palin in 2012 would be an awful beyond belief, but then again it's not even a day after the election and Fox News is already savaging their own fucking party in an attempt to remain relevant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4Bc). Here's hoping to the final death of the Nixon-Regan-Bush "Axis of Evil" GOP and the birth of a new, more progressive party.

You mean you want the Republicans to become Democrats? ;)

[AlexMax]

You mean you want the Republicans to become Democrats? ;)

No. I wish the Republicans would become Libertarian-lites, honestly.

A focus on individual civil liberties, few government-sponsored programs, true conservative fiscal policy that not only cuts out so-called "handouts" but subsidies to oligopolies with washington interests, true support for second amendment rights, etc.

However, at the same time, something that moves away from degenerate messages of the past such as nationalism, xenophobia and fear mongering. Social conservatism should have no place on the national stage.

That could be a party I might seriously consider voting for. As long as the Democrats represents progressive social change, they'll keep my vote.

[deathbyhokie]

After thinking about it for a while (and note that I am, er, was a McCain supporter), one definite positive comes out of the results of the election.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/PokeMaster/obmc-foreign.png

Obama was a clear favorite with other countries, so perhaps the outcome of the election will improve our foreign relations. Just a thought.

When was this poll done? What the hell did the US do to make Belgium so happy? Poland is a bit more obvious (Missile Shield), but i can't recall much we've done that would make Belgium that happy with us.

Other nations like Obama because he's an intelligent guy, and because he represents a departure from the Bush policies they dislike. He's too economically liberal for my tastes, but he'll make a good president, and won't weaken the US.

[phattonez]

^^I can agree with that second paragraph, but it doesn't represent progressivism at all. In fact, I think that's what got me confused.

As for that 3rd paragraph, it seems to me that Democrats use more fear-mongering than the Republicans. And what exactly do you find so detestable about social conservatism?

[Icey]

I'd have to say it's because a lot of other countries are envious of the US. The fact that they want Obama would show that they think he'll weaken the US and we won't be so much better than they are. Just a thought.

This is most ignorant and xenophobic thing I've read all day... good job. I take it you're part of the jingoist, xenophobic base that AlexMax so lovingly referenced...

[Lilith]

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[Pineconn]

Haha, I knew I should have posted this in Political Debate... or even GB.


When was this poll done? What the hell did the US do to make Belgium so happy? Poland is a bit more obvious (Missile Shield), but i can't recall much we've done that would make Belgium that happy with us.

Other nations like Obama because he's an intelligent guy, and because he represents a departure from the Bush policies they dislike. He's too economically liberal for my tastes, but he'll make a good president, and won't weaken the US.

The article (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/17/uselections2008-barackobama1) was posted on October 17, 2008. I would assume that the poll was taken around that date.

[AlexMax]

As for that 3rd paragraph, it seems to me that Democrats use more fear-mongering than the Republicans.

I'm just going to quote this because the depths of sheer stupidity in this one statement speaks for itself.

[phattonez]

I'm just going to quote this because the depths of sheer stupidity in this one statement speaks for itself.
You don't see the fear-mongering when Democrats use racism to their advantage? You don't see the fear-mongering when Democrats use poverty to their advantage? How about gun-control, how about the portrayal of Bush, how about the portrayal of Republicans in general? You don't think that's worse fear-mongering?

[Beldaran]

Agreed 110%

No you don't. You just finished mocking me for being a libertarian in some other thread.

[rock_nog]

You know, I've always thought that part of the problem with politics is not being able to see the other side's point of view. I'm not saying agree with it, but simply to understand it. If you can't understand what the other side thinks, you're going to misinterpret their actions.

For instance, take the liberal viewpoint - we see Republicans as a bunch of Christian thugs and hateful bigots who want to restrict our civil liberties, force Christian "values" on us, replace evolution with Jesus riding dinosaurs in school, start wars just for the hell of it, and tax the middle class to pay for handouts for the rich and corporate welfare.

I am not, repeat NOT, saying this view is correct. Obviously it's a gross hyperbole at best, a flat-out deceptive mischaracterization at worst. But the point is, it's this kind of thinking that causes liberals to vote against Republicans. I say vote against Republicans because, certainly for me anyway, I've never really seen the Democrats as a truly liberal party, at least in terms of truly representing my views, but it's more that they're not those dirty, evil Republicans.

Like I said, I know it's not necessarily right, but there you have it. It's not simply that we're some evil group that wants to take over the country or whatever, and force our values on everyone - a large part of it is simply fighting off what we perceive to be an assault on our liberties by the radical Right.

[Lilith]

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[Din]

Yeah! Obama wins! Honestly, I wouldn't like McCain as president. But I really didn't want him to die in the middle of his term. Could you imagine Palin as president? *shudder*

[phattonez]

I'd honestly call myself a libertarian if they weren't on the whole retarded and ignorant of most actual, non-ideological issues. Also, I believe in government intervention in the market to prevent us from going Upton Sinclair again.

http://www.somethingawful.com/d/most-awful/seven-awful-internet.php?page=6
So you want government intervention? How is that compatible with libertarianism? And what exactly are they retarded about?

[Pryme8]

Yeah, I'm talking about a switchblade. Flick-knife is a british term for it, and I use british english because I just roll like that.

have you ever been to England?


After thinking about it for a while (and note that I am, er, was a McCain supporter), one definite positive comes out of the results of the election.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v125/PokeMaster/obmc-foreign.png

Obama was a clear favorite with other countries, so perhaps the outcome of the election will improve our foreign relations. Just a thought.

Who the hell cares what other countries think our next president should be? Who the hell are they? HAve they ever lived here? Where were those numbers generated from? How big of a number in that country does it represent? Plus why the hell does it matter what they think, it does not really effect them.

Not to mention the president does not do much anymore, hes like just a figure head... and he gets to elect senate officials or something like that... I just woke up and dont feel like breaking down what he does.


I personally dident care who won, but I was hoping for McCain... just watch Obama is gonna break shit.

[Archibaldo]

A quick question, is any one surprised?

[phattonez]

Not to mention the president does not do much anymore, hes like just a figure head... and he gets to elect senate officials or something like that... I just woke up and dont feel like breaking down what he does.

Are you serious?


A quick question, is any one surprised?

Not really.

[Lilith]

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[AlexMax]

Plus why the hell does it matter what they think, it does not really effect them.

Do you have any concept of Foreign Policy and why it matters? You clearly don't, otherwise I can't imagine how you could make such an substantially ignorant comment.

Actually, that's a lie, I have a few theories, all of them involving various crippling mental deficiencies, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt if you can explain yourself.


Are you serious?

You do realize who you are responding to, right? Go back and look at his username and then ask yourself the same question again, the answer should be obvious.

[Icey]

Not to mention the president does not do much anymore, hes like just a figure head... and he gets to elect senate officials or something like that... I just woke up and dont feel like breaking down what he does.


I personally dident care who won, but I was hoping for McCain... just watch Obama is gonna break shit.

As terrible of an answer as this is, I am willing to bet Pryme8 still gave a better description of the presidency than Sarah Palin would be capable of.

At least, I'm pretty sure Pryme8 at least knows Africa is a continent, and not just a country...

[Daarkseid]

As terrible of an answer as this is, I am willing to bet Pryme8 still gave a better description of the presidency than Sarah Palin would be capable of.

At least, I'm pretty sure Pryme8 at least knows Africa is a continent, and not just a country...

Hah hah, the shit that is coming out about Sarah Palin is just awesome. Either McCain's campaign staff are throwing her to the wolves to stave off criticism of McCain's performance, or she's about the most horrible VP pick anyone could've made. Its possibly both cases. Considering the adulation that came about when Sarah Palin was picked, whats happened since then is almost surreal.

[rock_nog]

The people who were so enthusiastic about Palin were your religious whack job types who have their heads so far up their asses they still can't see just what a terrible pick she was.

The problem with McCain was, aside from the economy, he was trying to appeal to two completely different bases - the fiscal convservatives, and the religious right. These bases, of course, want completely different things - forcing religion on the government is the exact opposite of what a more traditional conservative might want. And you could see it throughout the campaign - every move he made to appeal to one of the bases ended up pissing the other base off. He accepts Hagee's endorsement - the fiscal conservatives freak. He then rejects it, and the religious conservatives freak.

Anyway, what's done is done - I just hope the Republicans might finally start to get their shit together, quit pandering to the damn religious right, and get back to true conservatism.

[Majora]

I'd have to say it's because a lot of other countries are envious of the US. The fact that they want Obama would show that they think he'll weaken the US and we won't be so much better than they are. Just a thought.

No, seriously, do you have 46 chromosomes? If you're that disheartened and emo, move to canada/mexico/the moon.
Wait a minute... why the hell are you even bitching about your future career as a doctor being in jeapordy? It is my understanding that you're fairly young, too young to become a doctor within Obama's term(s). Your precious money will probably be in less danger during some other president's term than it "will be" during Obama's :glare:


Yeah! Obama wins! Honestly, I wouldn't like McCain as president. But I really didn't want him to die in the middle of his term. Could you imagine Palin as president? *shudder*

Oh dear GOD. The country would just go straight down the crapper. Cities would burst into flames, and a bunch of other semi-apocalyptic shit would happen.



Who the hell cares what other countries think our next president should be? Who the hell are they? HAve they ever lived here? Where were those numbers generated from? How big of a number in that country does it represent? Plus why the hell does it matter what they think, it does not really effect them.


They are magical fun time places taht give us the shit we don't make or otherwise can't provide for ourselves.

Because if they don't like us, we don't get to trade with them and the economy will go down the crapper... and currently, we'd probably take a trip back in time to the groovy age of 1929

[Pryme8]

They are magical fun time places taht give us the shit we don't make or otherwise can't provide for ourselves.

Because if they don't like us, we don't get to trade with them and the economy will go down the crapper... and currently, we'd probably take a trip back in time to the groovy age of 1929

I dont think that is very true, we make quite a bit of products in our country, and not to mention I doubt everyone would stop associating with us at once.


but who are they to make an opinion on who should be our president?

How many of them do you think are actually knowledgeable in American affairs? Instead of talking shit, about how I'm retarded ect. Why don't you make and actually educated statement on how it is valid that other countrys can make and informed statement, and not just br opinionated like most of the people who are in our country, who would rather watch American Idol then a debate...

Once again (mainly Alex) amaze me with your lack of a explication of your stance and a excess of shit talking.

not to mention my main issue is where did these numbers come from?

I also had a huge problem with the "sample" ballot, it was a ballot already filled out showing you how to vote completely Democratic! I don't think that is very cool.

[Majora]

You would be floored if you knew that a vast majority of people from other countries know a hell of a lot more than your average american. (in terms of what's going on within america and stuff)

[Trevelyan_06]

but who are they to make an opinion on who should be our president?


Considering that we have our armed forces spread all across the world, are the only nation that field Aircraft carrier groups, and are the world's only remaining super world, I think they have a very valid reason to be concerned over who's running the US.

As for the sample ballot being marked Democrat. Big deal. If your opinion on who you want to vote for is suddenly changed at the absolute last minute by a mark on a scan tron sheet demo then you obviously had no idea just exactly how you wanted to vote in the first place.

[Dark Nation]

This election reminds me of a poem I read somewhere probably 25 years ago...

PLEDGE OF UNITY

The election is over;
The results are known.
The will of the people
Has clearly been shown.

Let's forget all the quarrels
And show by our deeds
That we'll give our new leader
All the help that he needs.

So let's all get together
And let bitterness pass,
I'll hug your elephant
And you kiss my donkey.

:D

[EatinCake]

I dont think that is very true, we make quite a bit of products in our country, and not to mention I doubt everyone would stop associating with us at once.
Look around your room and count how many things are labeled: "Made in America", as opposed to "Made in China". While I'm still in doubts whether they are going to be the next super power, it's pretty obvious we import a lot of our goods nowadays. Outside of your room, go to the local Wal-Mart and see if you can find something that was made in the U.S. (Aside from food).


but who are they to make an opinion on who should be our president?

How many of them do you think are actually knowledgeable in American affairs? Instead of talking shit, about how I'm retarded ect. Why don't you make and actually educated statement on how it is valid that other countrys can make and informed statement, and not just br opinionated like most of the people who are in our country, who would rather watch American Idol then a debate...
To be fair, there are plenty of Americans who are a lot more ignorant about our politics and government. Don't assume just because you don't know anything about other countries that they know nothing of us. Our culture has been slowly spreading the entire world, and being mimicked by some, ever since the Revolution. They pay close attention to America, because we are the leading nation in the world in many ways. Considering Foriegn Policy was a big issue this election, most of the world hating Bush (not paying dues to the United Nations, Kyoto Protocol which pretty much everyone else has signed besides us, unpopular war, etc.), electing someone who's on the opposite political spectrum is bound to be popular. The fact that he's ridiculously charismatic doesn't hurt either.


not to mention my main issue is where did these numbers come from?If you look at the bottom of the poll it says "guardian polls" quick google search brings up Guardian.co.uk (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/polls). Appears pretty legit.


I also had a huge problem with the "sample" ballot, it was a ballot already filled out showing you how to vote completely Democratic! I don't think that is very cool.
It also has an option to vote completely Republican. I agree it is however pretty stupid.


Out of curiosity, why haven't we agreed to the Kyoto Protocol? Is the rest of the world wrong or are we just being stubborn assholes?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Kyoto_Protocol_participation_map_2005.png/400px-Kyoto_Protocol_participation_map_2005.png

[AlexMax]

You would be floored if you knew that a vast majority of people from other countries know a hell of a lot more than your average american. (in terms of what's going on within america and stuff)

I don't doubt you, but to be fair, he's also awestruck every time he turns on a light switch.

Also, I got this in my reputation inbox in response to my post about his ignorance of foreign policy.


cut... your mental dificiences are not on topic

Simply stunning.

[Masamune]

I don't doubt you, but to be fair, he's also awestruck every time he turns on a light switch.

Also, I got this in my reputation inbox in response to my post about his ignorance of foreign policy.


cut... your mental dificiences are not on topic

Simply stunning.

Almost as clever as when he said I looked like a jew in response to something else he didn't like/claims to not care about. I didn't think a product of southern incest even knew what a jew was let alone what one looks like. Fooled me I guess.

[rock_nog]

By this same idiotic token, Pryme8, you're saying that we shouldn't care about foreign leaders, which is utterly ridiculous. Good God, man... of course foreign countries care about who the leader of the free world is -it affects them. Shoot, we cared about who the leader of Iraq was, so much so that we ended up invading in order to remove him from power.

[AlexMax]

Almost as clever as when he said I looked like a jew in response to something else he didn't like/claims to not care about. I didn't think a product of southern incest even knew what a jew was let alone what one looks like. Fooled me I guess.

Oh, he knows what a jew is. He saw the cartoons!

http://xs233.xs.to/xs233/08455/e378.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs233&d=08455&f=e378.jpg)

In other news that doesn't involve Pryme8 once-again opening his ignorant fucking mouth, NEWSWEEK just released a seven part epic (seriously, this thing is long) on the entire election from a behind-the-scenes point of view.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167581

If you haven't read this thing in its entirety (7 chapters with multiple pages per chapter), block out about an hour or two of time and read through it. It's an absolutely fascinating look at the behind-the-scenes in the Obama, Clinton and McCain campaigns and is an interesting read regardless of your political affiliation.

[Banon]

hehehe... my computer is racist... It continually failed to open this thread.:laughing: (I'm on a different computer right now, which is the only reason this works).

And because no one else has said it... HORRAY!!! Drinks are on me! (If you can find me that is):tongue:

[rock_nog]

hehehe... my computer is racist... It continually failed to open this thread.:laughing: (I'm on a different computer right now, which is the only reason this works).

And because no one else has said it... HORRAY!!! Drinks are on me! (If you can find me that is):tongue:
Hey, let's not get too excited just yet. According to Rush Limbaugh, Obama has single-handedly destroyed the economy (really impressive, considering he hasn't even taken office yet). Clearly it's just a precursor to the horrors that lie ahead.

Alright, I'm getting bored of this lack-of-election thing. Time to discuss 2012! My bet - Tim Pawlenty will be heading up the GOP ticket in 2012. Just a hunch. Maybe with Mitt Romney as VP (but don't quote me on that).

[Beldaran]

Alright, I'm getting bored of this lack-of-election thing. Time to discuss 2012!

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/election.png

[Aegix Drakan]

IN BEFORE....

....DAMN! Beldaran beat me to it! :glare: