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Kingboo30
11-11-2006, 11:52 PM
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/foreigners-and-fights-ps3-jpn-launchs-dark-side-214130.php


The PS3 launch a cakewalk? Far from it. We don't usually let readers take the reins (fearing y'all would rub us out of a job), but Tokyo-based reader Dirk Benedict sent us this doozy of an email, complete with first hand reporting, a pic and video. His observations struck a cord with me: Things that I saw at launch, which at the time seemed small, but in hindsight, really, weren't. Hit the jump for video of the PS3 chaos and Dirk's email in full:

At the worldwide sales debut of PlayStation 3, Sony's newest console attracted dozens of media outlets and thousands of people willing to camp outside overnight for a chance to score the 60,000 yen game system.

Minutes before the clock struck 7:00 A.M. and Sony's new PlayStation 3 console would officially go on sale, a company representative addressed the crowd of media and the new face of early bird game console buyers - Chinese nationals.

"Everybody, the PlayStation 3 is the door to a new world of interactive entertainment," the spunky Japanese rep trumpeted as SCE CEO Ken Kutaragi joined her on stage.

Unfortunately for her and the rest of the Sony entourage, the men and women standing patiently in the front of the line either didn't understand what she was saying, or didn't care - the first buyers of PS3 were largely elderly Chinese men and young Chinese women with shaky Japanese language skills.

This became readily apparent when Kutaragi welcomed the first official PS3 owner on stage for an on-spot interview. A 26-year-old Chinese man politely stood on stage while the organizers earnestly tried to squeeze some information him.

Questions like "When did you start lining up?" and "What games will you buy?" were left unanswered as the young man shook his head, refusing (or unable) to respond. The Japanese media would later catch up with him, confirming suspicions that the first PS3 buyer didn't understand Japanese. An eyewitness claimed the young man didn't purchase a single game for his brand-new PS3.

This is the true face of the PlayStation 3 debut in Japan. Hardcore gamers are not here waiting in line overnight, buying a first-run PS3, and running home to play some good old next-gen gaming. Rather, opportunistic Japanese businessmen have the largest presence, hiring poor Chinese men and women to wait in line for a PS3, one which will later be sold on web auctions to wealthy gamers around the world for exorbitant amounts of money.

THE LINE

Some waited patiently for the clock to strike 7 A.M., others pushed.

Around the corner of Bic Camera, the line continued on and was partitioned by a television news van. With one hour left of waiting, this became a troublesome spot for Bic Camera employees who tried to calm a crowd of increasingly agitated people, upset over the lack of organization, cramped spaces, and increasing number of people cutting in line. Soon pushing ensued, men began yelling at one another, and some women began crying for help.

Without the presence of Tokyo police officers, the Bic Camera employees were temporarily able to bring order to the line, most armed with their weapon of choice - ear-splitting megaphones.

The levy broke soon afterwards, as a truck attempted to pass through the narrow street, forcing the organizers to push back to the line closer towards the wall. Or in other words, squeezing together a line of people already packed like sardines.

The pressure was too much as the line busted open and more pushing ensued (which broke out in front of the waiting truck), causing those waiting in back to push forward, inching themselves closer to the finish line with a prideful Kutaragi waiting.

One man truly leveled-up - the chaos allowed him to push forward from roughly 200th in place all the way up to 20th in line.

The Tokyo police would eventually arrive just prior to 7 A.M. - fifty minutes after the pushing first took place.

A gruff-looking Bic Camera manager was the first to realize the problem - nobody in line understood the directions his employees were screaming. He quickly grabbed one of his Chinese-speaking employees, put him on top of a ladder, handed him a megaphone, and instructed the young man to address the crowd in Chinese.

CLOCK STRIKES SEVEN

To the relief of everyone, the final countdown took place at 6:59 A.M. as Kutaragi made a quick speech and officially kicked off the retail debut of PlayStation 3.

But what took place at the cash registers moments later would put a big, fat exclamation point on what can only be described as a failure of a hardware launch.

"Thank you for your patience!," welcomed the cashier to the first PS3 buyers. "What game software would you like with your purchase?"

"Hai," the consumer nodded, not understanding the question.

Most cashiers soon figured out that the men and women standing in front of them didn't speak Japanese. Some would then repeat the same question in English, and would all get the say reply, "Only hardware."

Based on my observations of the first twenty PS3s sold at Bic Camera, they were all purchased by Chinese nationals, none of whom bought any software. After making their purchase, television crews asked for interviews but all were declined. These temporary owners of PS3s would then make their way down the street where their bosses waited. After several minutes, a dozen PS3s were rounded up, as their Japanese business manager paid out cash to those who waited in line for them. I witnessed a homeless-looking Chinese man, in his sixties or seventies get paid 20,000 yen for his services and was then sent away.

The sales spree continued back over at the registers, and not everything was running smoothly. One elderly Chinese man, next in line to buy a PS3, was in a state of panic. He explained to a Bic Camera employee that his "friend" has his money, but that he is further back in the line. After further investigation, these poor Chinese are not given the 60,000 yen to purchase the PS3 until minutes before their reach the registers, perhaps out of fear that some will run off with the money. The Bic Camera employee assisted the elderly gentlemen, escorting him back to the cash registered after he received the cash from his good "friend."

The transactions continued, tired-looking Chinese carried away their newly purchased PS3s, and avoided eye contact with journalists asking for interviews. All but one young man - a Chinese exchange student studying in Japan. He was willing to go on camera and was excited to talk about his new purchase.

The television reporter started off with a few questions that the young man didn't understand, so she stuck to simple questions: "Why is PS3 good?"

"It's interesting," the young student said with a grin.

"What game will you play on your PS3?" she asked.

"The tennis game," he replied. Among the four software titles that launched with the PS3 in Japan, there was only one sports title - Sega's golf game. The student was perhaps referring to the recently released "Minna no Tennis" on PlayStation 2. Either way, it was obvious he was no gamer.

The young man would later head over to Yurakucho Station, where he added his purchased PS3 to a collection of consoles bought by his friends, which no doubt will be sold online in an auction later today.

TIME FOR CHANGE

Today I witnessed the most disturbing side of the video game industry in my three decades of game fandom. It's not the Chinese that I'm upset about. Who can blame them? If you're poor and without a good job in Japan, 20,000 yen to wait in line isn't a bad deal. And for ambitious people like the Chinese students I encountered who scored five PS3s, this hardware launch could net them thousands of dollars in profit through online auditioning - that's more money for them to spend on tuition. These are the lucky Chinese kids in Japan, getting an education, and trying to get ahead in life. If these kids are good students, who's to say that they should be playing PS3 instead of using the console to afford more education?

But this story isn't about the hardships of Chinese in Japan. It's about how poorly run hardware launches are done in Japan and why they should change.

Sixty seconds before Kutaragi kicked off the launch, rain started to fall on hundreds of people in line, many without umbrellas. People were pushed and yelled at by out-of-control campers without the presence of a single police officer (even though a police box was located one block away), and hundreds more are still waiting outside as I write this, with the rain pouring down. Meanwhile, true Japanese gamers are waiting. Based on the record-breaking attendence of this year's Tokyo Game Show, there are tens of thousands of Japanese interested in playing (not selling) PlayStation 3. They are waiting for their chance to play Ridge Racer 7 or Genji II (or maybe not), but still the interest is there. And should they line up again when the next shipments of PS3s come in? Hell no. As evidenced by the ongoing DS Lite storages in Japan, patient Chinese and their crooked Japanese bosses will be there too, waiting.

This is the true story of the PlayStation 3 debut in Japan. This is the kind of expose that Japanese media are prevented to run because of their nationalism and close ties with big business. While it's honorable to not smear their own countrymen (Sony) for their botched launch, the truth must be told.

WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN

Sony should be scolded for staging a national launch event with 80,000 units. An extreme lack of supply ignited an extreme surge of demand - that of which poor Chinese and opportunistic Japanese took full advantage of today.

If Sony and major retailers like Bic Camera or Yodobashi Camera are going to participate in launch day festivities like today, police need to be present.

If measures aren't taken to try and curb rampant scalping of hardware through online auctions, then retailers must address their customers - Mandarin-speaking Chinese. Don't bother having your employees shout into megaphones all morning long - nobody understands a word they are saying.

CONCLUSION

As a fellow foreigner studying in Japan, I can tell you the hardships that many of us face everyday. The intent of this story is not to point fingers at hard-working Chinese nationals. Rather, I think this subject needs to be brought to light. This is the truth that no Japanese media wants to touch.



Wow.....God forbid if this happens in America. Even I didn't think Sony would fall down this low to let the rich Japanese Business men use poor Chinese to wait in long PS3 lines who can't speak Japanese while they are pushed around in rain. And that they were almost entirely sold in Auctions and will only be bought by wealthy people who are interested in the PS3. Obviously, Sony probably doesn't even care as long as the PS3s are sold but almost no games were sold whatsoever.

Petoe
11-12-2006, 12:55 AM
Woah, that's disturbing. Damn Sony, letting this happen and not giving a damn about us Europeans. Oh how I wish PS3 would be a failure but that won't happen. Shit sells so well these days. :p

Pineconn
11-12-2006, 12:58 AM
Woooooo...

(5 seconds later of holding down the "o" key...)

...oooow. ["Wow."] That has got to be embarrassing for Sony. (Yes, I am glad that Sony has obviously failed.)

That is THE strangest -- somewhat saddest -- story I have ever read. Hopefully this doesn't happen over here for the Wii launch on Sunday. Of course, it won't, since we won't have hundreds of poor Chinese middlemen buying out the Wiis just to pocket some $$$.

At last, Sony's era should be ending.

MANDRAG GANON
11-12-2006, 01:01 AM
LoL Wow, I knew there would be alot of that happening but I didn't think it would get to be that bad, That's Hilarious. Patheticly Hilarious...

I'm sure it wouldn't get anywhere near that bad in the states.

If I had of got my hands on one I would have definately sold it off aswell though. Gone out and bought a Wii and another PS3 with the money I made off of it. The only thing that looks intersting on it though is Assasin's Creed and I already own a DVD player, candle stick maker, latrine, jet engine.
Chinese people will farm anything holy geez.

I especially doubt this will happen for the Wii, this happend to the PS3 due to thier lack of console that they are producing. I'm sure this will happen for the Wii but on a drastically smaller scale.

Warlock
11-12-2006, 01:19 AM
lol, that is just so sad.

MottZilla
11-12-2006, 02:09 AM
Is anyone really shocked? We all knew this was coming. The only sad thing is all this hype is for a half decent overpriced system, not anything amazing. After the PS2 and Xbox 360 launches, it's become very obvious there is a profit to be made by taking advantage of supply and demand. The only thing to really cut down on it would be if online auction sites all imposed restrictions or even price limits. But they won't, cause they are making money off this too. I can't say I care.

I want a Wii at launch, but I won't die if I don't get one.

AtmaWeapon
11-12-2006, 10:45 PM
With few launch units
Middlemen reap big profit
Ken Kutaragi weeps

Grasshopper
11-12-2006, 11:37 PM
What happened there is no different than what happens here, just with a little less order and more chaos. Look at all the EBay pre-orders that went up for PS3 after reserves were opened up at Gamestop/EB. And thats just America. Europe will probably be the same way. People will do whatever to make money.

Luckily, I don't work on Friday...and I'm glad. I don't want to work on Friday, nor on Sunday.

{DSG}DarkRaven
11-12-2006, 11:51 PM
Atma, haiku is 575, not 576.


"Thank you for your patience!," welcomed the cashier to the first PS3 buyers. "What game software would you like with your purchase?"

"Hai," the consumer nodded, not understanding the question.

Laugh. Out. Loud. Also, I find it funny that the writer suggests in a positive manner that tens of thousands of people are intersted in playing PS3, and not selling it. Maybe he's being sarcastic, but if he's not, I can't imagine Sony could call that a success. Even if this whole 80k production run sells out, how can that be a success? We won't know for a while, and after the holiday, I really expect sales to bottom out. Still, I fully expect Sony to party and talk smack about the 360 and the Wii.

Aegix Drakan
11-13-2006, 08:56 AM
wow.

I knew it would be bad, but THIS bad?

I once again state that Sony deserves to crash and burn.

Imprisoned
11-13-2006, 09:59 AM
Woah, that's disturbing. Damn Sony, letting this happen and not giving a damn about us Europeans. Oh how I wish PS3 would be a failure but that won't happen. Shit sells so well these days. :p

PS3 IS a failure =)

It's about $600 U.S.

Wii is better

ZTC
11-13-2006, 01:13 PM
lol, that is just so sad.

indeed it is. =/

Is this truly the beginning of the end for Sony?
Well, not the beginning, but more like nearing the mid-point, imo

Aegix Drakan
11-13-2006, 03:36 PM
Is this truly the beginning of the end for Sony?
Well, not the beginning, but more like nearing the mid-point, imo

QFT. The end is in sight.

MottZilla
11-13-2006, 03:42 PM
No it's not. It's complicated and we don't know if Sony will crash out or not yet. But we will find out won't we? They have the potential to come back. The end will be in sight when PS2 sales go down and PS3 sales don't keep up.

AtmaWeapon
11-13-2006, 06:27 PM
Sony has infinite money. If the PS3 didn't even sell a single unit, there'd just be a "shortage" of components and all other Sony products would take a slight price increase. Then, the consumer buying by name alone would help reinforce Sony in their weak point while they throw mountains of money into a marketing campaign that will reverse the market into their favor.

Their strategy is to convince a herd of sheep that it is a good idea to own a PS3. They have been playing this game since the PSX and even though I'd love to see them pull out of the gaming industry I'm pretty sure there is no failure complete enough to eliminate Sony.

This is exactly why Nintendo decided not to directly compete with them.

Petoe
11-13-2006, 09:25 PM
Sony will never fail. I know you Nintendo fanboys want to see that and believe so, but it won't happen. Actually it's very likely PS3 will once again dominate the market. PS2 was just sp damn succesful that people are going to buy a PS3 no matter what. Sony has infinite money and they know how to advertise their product. And they have the games too. With games like Final Fantasy, Resident Evil, Gran Turismo and Metal Gear Solid the PS3 will just not die. Unfortunately. ;)

{DSG}DarkRaven
11-13-2006, 11:39 PM
Want to know something really funny? I was working earlier today, and I heard on the radio that the station was going to give away some big item from "your holiday checklist". I immediately figured it had to be a console, because that's about the biggest thing this year, right? He went on for a few more seconds, talking about how hot the item was, and then he revealed exactly what was being given away:

It was a PS2.

I couldn't help but laugh. Either they made a mistake (unlikely), or they couldn't afford to give away a PS3. Honestly, is a last-generation console ever hot the same year as the new one?

erm2003
11-13-2006, 11:56 PM
There is a radio station in Buffalo that is giving away several PS3s. I don't know how they got them all, but I don't even care honestly. I am much more interested in investing into the Wii.

Pineconn
11-14-2006, 12:02 AM
There is a radio station in Buffalo that is giving away several PS3s. I don't know how they got them all, but I don't even care honestly. I am much more interested in investing into the Wii.

Maybe they sent poor Chinese people to buy them. ;)

AtmaWeapon
11-14-2006, 12:24 AM
Actually it's very likely PS3 will once again dominate the market. Actually this is the only part I am interested in watching this round.

Nintendo will regain ground but for Nintendo to dominate with their current resources and strategies would require several simultaneous convenient deaths across several major companies. We'll get more installments of popular franchises and also the opportunity to purchase copies of the previous installments and we'll all continue doing it because honestly Nintendo knows how to cater to their crowd. Nintendo's round is already over; they are playing in a different division.

The PS3 vs. XBox 360 fight is going to be interesting. There's no clear monetary advantage as both companies are fully entrenched in separate industries and thus have ridiculous amounts of money to spend on marketing. The XBox failed to overthrow the PS2 but it did accomplish something: it became a player even though at launch everyone saw it as an errant venture that would end in tears.

Now the PS3 is up against an opponent that has had a full year's head start. As far as I can tell, neither system has a distinct technological advantage. Both systems will pimp HD and online play as compelling features, but Microsoft has the more mature support in these arenas (launching early gives you that), and if PS3's online system isn't flawless there will be much gnashing of teeth.

Game lineup is about the only area where I can see Sony gaining an advantage over Microsoft; much like Nintendo they have a dream team of franchises that will sell millions of copies by virtue of the name alone. However, I hear rumors that the PS3 is a difficult development platform. If this is true, the companies generating the big franchises might consider jumping ship to an easier system so they can reduce overhead by cutting development time. If Sony starts to lose franchises they are in big trouble, because if a big name like SquareEnix decides to try a Final Fantasy exclusive on XBox 360 and decides the like it, several other companies may follow the example.

Of course, it is possible Sony has secured contracts that make it inconvenient for developers to jump ship.

So in the end I'm not really sure which system will dominate. My money's on Microsoft, but it's anyone's game.

MottZilla
11-14-2006, 01:45 AM
Has anyone considered, this is the first generation that there will be not clear winner? Perhaps the market share will end up divided nearly equally 3 ways.

{DSG}DarkRaven
11-14-2006, 07:55 AM
Of course, it is possible Sony has secured contracts that make it inconvenient for developers to jump ship.

Heck, Atma. Developers have contracts that make it hard for developers to jump ship. I think it was here I heard it, a long time ago, about some big name developers that had it's employees signing non-compete agreements for the next ten years. As in, they have to agree not to work for anyone in the market that could directly compete for a decade after they leave the company. I can't imagine that Sony has not secured some kind of iron-clad deal that would chain SquareEnix and others to them for years.


Has anyone considered, this is the first generation that there will be not clear winner? Perhaps the market share will end up divided nearly equally 3 ways.

As much as we Sony hating Nintendo fanboys would like to project a clear and overwhelming victory for the Wii, this is probably true. For all it's issues, Sony will probably hold it's ground well enough, with Nintendo picking up marketshare and Microsoft maintaining itself for the next five years. It's not impossible or unlikely at all.

Warlock
11-14-2006, 12:15 PM
Has anyone considered, this is the first generation that there will be not clear winner? Perhaps the market share will end up divided nearly equally 3 ways.

We'll see, but I completely disagree. If anything, for these reasons:

1) Sony loses money on each console sale. Nintendo makes money on each console sale.
2) Nintendo has *much* greater stock of systems than Sony, and can produce systems much faster (because of Sony's blue diode issues)
3) Relating to #2 somewhat, Nintendo is going to have more systems available for Christmas. That's a huge chunk of yearly sales.
4) Nintendo also has DS to fall back on in terms of extra money, whereas PSP sales are quite poor.

And this ignores pricing differences which are sure to make a difference, though I left it off as it's not clear how much of a difference (it shouldn't make one this holiday since stock is so limited anyways.. Sony will easily sell through, though most of that is obviously going towards further ebay sales :P) But Sony also has the *huge* battery recall issue which practically bankrupted them. They are really relying on PS3 to save them, which I'm not sure is going to happen.

vegeta1215
11-14-2006, 01:28 PM
I think I may have linked this before: http://www.electricsistahood.com/reviews/2006/09/do-math-will-sony-go-broke.html

An interesting quote from that article is one from Square Enix:
"We don't want the PlayStation 3 to be the overwhelming loser, so we want to support them," Michihiro Sasaki, senior vice president of Square Enix, told the Wall Street Journal. "But we don't want them to be the overwhelming winner either, so we can't support them too much."

Sounds very different from the Square Enix that supported Sony in the last generation huh? I think so.

Warlock
11-14-2006, 02:13 PM
I think I may have linked this before: http://www.electricsistahood.com/reviews/2006/09/do-math-will-sony-go-broke.html

An interesting quote from that article is one from Square Enix:
"We don't want the PlayStation 3 to be the overwhelming loser, so we want to support them," Michihiro Sasaki, senior vice president of Square Enix, told the Wall Street Journal. "But we don't want them to be the overwhelming winner either, so we can't support them too much."

Sounds very different from the Square Enix that supported Sony in the last generation huh? I think so.

I think the reason Square supported them so much before was that basically Sony saved their asses. After the Final Fantasy movie flopped, Square was seriously hurting financially. Sony gave them money to develop PS2 stuff.

AtmaWeapon
11-14-2006, 03:51 PM
When I said "developers" above I meant it to mean "development companies", so the non-compete area is similar to what I meant.

Developers do typically have to sign a non-compete, but a company would have to be offering me something very exciting to sign a 10-year "don't work for a competitor at all" contract. Typically the non-compete is very specific in its scope and it usually will apply to the type of project you worked on, not the company's goals in general. For example, if I were working at SquareEnix on the Final Fantasy project and got a lucrative offer to work on SSBB at Nintendo, I could likely do so without violating my non-compete agreement. If, however, I wanted to go to Namco and work on a Tales game, I'd have to wait until my non-compete expired. Anyone who signed a "you can't work for another company at all" agreement is either getting screwed or getting a salary they expect they can live the cooldown period off of.

Really I was thinking more along the lines of Square's first contract with Sony which had an exclusivity agreement. I'm not going to do research on it but I'm pretty sure when Square jumped off the Nintendo boat they signed a contract that stated they would exclusively release games on Sony systems for some period. This put Square in a weak position and provided a big PR win for Sony over Nintendo.

Now if Sony wanted to play hardball they could have exclusivity agreements for the PS franchises such as Gran Turismo and Final Fantasy. In this case, Sony keeps its big franchises and development companies have diminished ability to move wholly to another system. If it turns out the PS3 is tough to develop for, Sony might have a hard time convincing companies to sign agreements for exclusive development. However, it could be the case that Sony negotiated these contracts before much knowledge of the PS3 was around, forcing the big franchises to develop on the PS3 anyway. And once the company has already been forced to spend the overhead to develop an engine and custom tools to ease the PS3 development, they'll not want to scrap it all as soon as the contract expires.

Now when it comes to Nintendo it is really hard to gauge how they are doing. From a sales standpoint it is clear that Nintendo is poised for good times ahead. However, the "success" of a company is recently judged by public perception of their sales. The DS outsells the PSP by very large margins, but if you look around the internet you'll see more discussion and ads concerning the PSP than the DS. Thus, a lot of the more casual gamers I talk to literally believe the DS is not selling at all. The same thing's going to happen with the Wii. Units are going to fly off the shelves, but what you'll see on the news is crowds of children crying because they didn't win the PS3 lottery and shelves that still have Wiis on them. Public perception: PS3s are selling like hotcakes and stores can't convince people to buy the Wii. This motivates future purchases, as the "on the fence" crowd may get pushed one way or another by this.

Of course, the rational individuals will note that Nintendo's production was higher and thus the remaining Wiis are the result of adequately addressing the demands of the consumer, but the average American citizen is far less rational than you would like to believe.

So my predictions remain as follows:
Choose 1:
() Nintendo makes megabucks and has sales numbers that run circles around Sony, but continues to be the unpopular choice due to the aura of "weird" that not catering to pop culture projects*.

Choose 1:
() Microsoft's head start and easier development platform provides too steep an uphill climb and PS3 is unable to compete. Sony hemorrhages developers left and right and soon we're all playing Tekken 12, Gran Turismo 8, and Final Fantasy XIII.IV on the XBox 360.

() Microsoft's head start and easier development platform cripples early PS3 sales and Sony loses some exclusive contracts. However, a strong 2nd-gen showing levels the playing field and by the time next-gen consoles are announced there is no clear winner.

() Microsoft's head start and easier development platform proves to be less of an advantage than anticipated and both companies are neck-and-neck throughout the lifetimes of this generation's consoles.

() Microsoft's head start and easier development platform proves to be less of an advantage than anticipated and through superior franchise management Sony is able to put a chokehold on the popularity of XBox 360. By the end of this round Sony is the clear winner.

() Sony reveals they have been pulling a massive prank for the past few years. Come Christmastime Sony reveals they expect to have over 10 million units produced and the price will drop to $214.99 with 2 controllers and a game. Units sold at launch have time-sensitive circuitry that deteriorates on New Year's Eve and after this time the system will do nothing more than display goatse on the user's TV. Users that can provide the original preorder receipt with at least one game purchase and proof of residence in the vicinity of the purchase will be sent a new unit (to reimburse the few souls who bought a system for themselves at launch). Ken Kutaragi is quoted in an AP release as saying "We are doing this as a way to say '(expletive deleted) you!' to the faggots who stood in line to buy a PS3 then sell it on eBay for double the price. We are pleased to announce our acquisition of eBay this week and also pleased to inform all sellers of PS3s before this date have had the money deducted from their PayPal accounts. Merry Christmas!" This move is a PR masterpiece and simultaneously crushes Nintendo and Microsoft's hold on the market.

So yeah basically I don't know about MS or Sony but Nintendo's role in this round seems well-defined and they have no competition for their current target so technically they already win.

*For an analogy, consider high school politics. There's always some kid that never follows the crowd and is ostracized, but then once everyone matures they realize that he realized the futility of pleasing the crowd earlier than anyone else. Despite the fact that he is just as good a companion as the others, he must sit alone in the cafeteria and can't get anyone to take him to the prom.

MottZilla
11-14-2006, 04:37 PM
Atma, Gran Turismo is by Sony Computer Entertainment as I recall. It's not going to appear on Xbox 360.

I agree with Warlock that Sony could fall down because of their cash problems, but again it's hard to tell if that will happen. One thing that is certain is Nintendo will be making money before anyone else. Nintendo doesn't sign on to the business strategy of selling consoles for a loss and losing lots of money hoping to make it back years down the line. Which is strange because that would seem like an american idea.

Anyway, I haven't noticed anyone saying PSP is so great and that DS isn't selling. I hear quite the opposite. And while I hear people interested in PS3, all of them don't like that price tag. And I hear lots of people interested in the Wii and ofcourse games like Zelda.

AtmaWeapon
11-14-2006, 07:06 PM
Atma, Gran Turismo is by Sony Computer Entertainment as I recall. It's not going to appear on Xbox 360.http://www.atmaweapon.org/images/emot/saddowns.gif
Heh. I make no claims that I'm well-versed in the developers of games I've never had an interest in. I guess if they jumped the GT franchise over to XBox 360 Sony would definitely be in trouble.


I agree with Warlock that Sony could fall down because of their cash problems, but again it's hard to tell if that will happen. One thing that is certain is Nintendo will be making money before anyone else. Nintendo doesn't sign on to the business strategy of selling consoles for a loss and losing lots of money hoping to make it back years down the line. Which is strange because that would seem like an american idea.Honestly Nintendo is the most Japanese gaming company right now and it makes perfect sense why they wouldn't latch on to the loss leader mentality. The complete refusal to let go of their core values even at the cost of potential failure is something that is both highly respectable and suicidal but I saw it in the Japanese company I worked for.


Anyway, I haven't noticed anyone saying PSP is so great and that DS isn't selling. I hear quite the opposite. And while I hear people interested in PS3, all of them don't like that price tag. And I hear lots of people interested in the Wii and ofcourse games like Zelda.You may live in a smarter part of the country than I. All of the people I bump into at the local Gamestop have absolutely no interest in the DS and would love a PSP. I have an ongoing feud with the manager of the store as he is one of the ridiculous Sony fanboy types that thinks Nintendo is bankrupt and Microsoft is on the way. We literally got in an argument in which he stated that he's 100% certain going to have spare PS3s left after Christmas because there's going to be more than enough to meet demand.

Gerudo
11-14-2006, 07:08 PM
i get a tingly sensation between my legs whenever someone says "lol end of sony".

it's just amusing people are stupid enough to think that a possibly-semi-failed launch of a next generation console is going to end a multi-billion(trillion?) dollar company with worldwide says in nearly every country on earth.

MottZilla
11-14-2006, 08:04 PM
Gerudo, can you blame them when they have paids of millions or even billions in lawsuits and had to take out a large loan? I mean really, you can't blame them for thinking it's possible. But I agree don't think they will just go BOOM! If it happens, the truth is we won't see it coming.

Gerudo
11-14-2006, 08:44 PM
yes, but all fanboyism(for anything) aside, can you really imagine a world without Sony Corp?

MottZilla
11-14-2006, 09:18 PM
Considering that all the do that matters now at all is Playstation, imagining that world is very easy. Sony ilke I've said before just makes their platform that is filled by 3rd party titles, mostly shovelware. They aren't like Nintendo, or like how Sega was. Microsoft now, they atleast own some decent developers to make hit games. Sony, I can't say I've noticed any SCE game that I thought was any good.