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zfreak2004
08-20-2004, 09:54 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/08/19/communion.denied.ap/index.html

Found on CNN.com

BRIELLE, New Jersey (AP) -- An 8-year-old girl who suffers from a rare digestive disorder and cannot eat wheat has had her first Holy Communion declared invalid because the wafer contained no wheat, violating Roman Catholic doctrine.

Now, Haley Waldman's mother is pushing the Diocese of Trenton and the Vatican to make an exception, saying the girl's condition should not exclude her from the sacrament, which commemorates the Last Supper of Jesus Christ before his crucifixion. The mother believes a rice Communion wafer would suffice.

"It's just not a viable option. How does it corrupt the tradition of the Last Supper? It's just rice versus wheat," said Elizabeth Pelly-Waldman.

Church doctrine holds that Communion wafers, like the bread served at the Last Supper, must have at least some unleavened wheat. Church leaders are reluctant to change anything about the sacrament.

"This is not an issue to be determined at the diocesan or parish level, but has already been decided for the Roman Catholic Church throughout the world by Vatican authority," Trenton Bishop John M. Smith said in a statement last week.

Haley was diagnosed with celiac sprue disease when she was 5. The disorder occurs in people with a genetic intolerance of gluten, a food protein contained in wheat and other grains.

When consumed by celiac sufferers, gluten damages the lining of the small intestine, blocking nutrient absorption and leading to vitamin deficiencies, bone-thinning and sometimes gastrointestinal cancer.

The diocese has told Haley's mother that the girl can receive a low-gluten wafer, or just drink wine at Communion, but that anything without gluten does not qualify. Pelly-Waldman rejected the offer, saying her child could be harmed by even a small amount of the substance.

Haley's Communion controversy isn't the first. In 2001, the family of a 5-year-old Massachusetts girl with the disease left the Catholic church after being denied permission to use a rice wafer.

Some Catholic churches allow no-gluten hosts, while others do not, said Elaine Monarch, executive director of the Celiac Disease Foundation, a California-based support group for sufferers.

"It is an undue hardship on a person who wants to practice their religion and needs to compromise their health to do so," Monarch said.

The church has similar rules for Communion wine. For alcoholics, the church allows a substitute for wine under some circumstances, however the drink must still be fermented from grapes and contain some alcohol. Grape juice is not a valid substitute.

Haley, a shy, brown-haired tomboy who loves surfing and hates wearing dresses, realizes the consequences of taking a wheat wafer.

"I'm on a gluten-free diet because I can't have wheat. I could die," she said last week.

Last year, as the third grader approached Holy Communion age in this Jersey Shore town, her mother told officials at St. Denis Catholic Church in Manasquan that the girl could not have the standard host.

After the church's pastor refused to allow a substitute, a priest at a nearby parish volunteered to offer one, and in May, Haley wore a white Communion dress, and received the sacrament alongside her mother, who had not taken Communion since she herself was diagnosed with the disease.

Last month, the diocese told the priest that the church would not validate Haley's sacrament because of the substitute wafer.

"I struggled with telling her that the sacrament did not happen," said Pelly-Waldman. "She lives in a world of rules. She says 'Mommy, do we want to break a rule? Are we breaking a rule?"'

Pelly-Waldman is seeking help from the Pope and has written to Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in Rome, challenging the church's policy.

"This is a church rule, not God's will, and it can easily be adjusted to meet the needs of the people, while staying true to the traditions of our faith," Pelly-Waldman wrote in the letter.

Pelly-Waldman -- who is still attending Mass every Sunday with her four children -- said she is not out to bash the church, just to change the policy that affects her daughter.

"I'm hopeful. Do I think it will be a long road to change? Yes. But I'm raising an awareness and I'm taking it one step at a time," she said.

I think this is interesting for a number of reasons, one of which is the fact is that this is what legalism really is, taking a man made law and elevating it to the level of God's law. I dunno... maybe a Catholic would have a different perspective. Any Catholics that have an opinion?

Pablo
08-20-2004, 12:14 PM
I think this is idiotic. It doesn't matter what the wafer is made of, it's the symbolism behind it that matters. I can't believe that the Church would be so inflexible and unwilling to allow this girl to have a slightly different kind of wafer.

AsMadAsAHatter
08-20-2004, 02:04 PM
I agree, it's absurd. If the little girl can't eat wheat without possible health problems, she should be allowed to eat the substitute. But I think the worst part is, its that the person denying her is a pastor of a church. The duty of a pastor is to teach his congregation about the religion, be there for all the people who attend his church, and most certainly be able to adjust certain things for the disabled. Of course there are restrictions there, but if a little girl can't take communion because she has a possibly deadly disease because she can't eat wheat, that's when the pastor needs to step in and say it's okay. And in being a pastor and being faithful to god, does he really think god would want him to deny a little girl of faith just because of an illness? I really don't think so.

slothman
08-20-2004, 02:52 PM
IANAC but I doubt Jesus would not think lowly of them because of that. My guess would be that he wouldn't mind and would want them to have the sacraments in whatever way possible. That's the problem with churches these days. They don't change with the times. I mean look at the Amish.

{DSG}DarkRaven
08-20-2004, 03:02 PM
The problem isn't churches not changing with the times. The problem is that the Catholic Church is so strung up on tradition that they forget what's important about the act. Communion is about the faith behind it, about remembering the sacrifice Christ made. It doesn't matter a flying flip about if there's wheat in the freaking wafers. Anybody who's stuck on that meaningless detail should be turned into a pillar of salt.

Dracula
08-20-2004, 03:07 PM
Since when did gluten symbolize the sacrifice of Christ? I think it's asinine... and I'm Catholic.

Glitch
08-20-2004, 03:10 PM
I know the problem here......Organized Religion.

Rijuhn
08-20-2004, 03:13 PM
It doesn't matter a flying flip about if there's wheat in the freaking wafers. Anybody who's stuck on that meaningless detail should be turned into a pillar of salt.

Amen DarkRaven!

It's stuff like this that just shows the absurdity of the Catholic Church. But the Catholic church isn't the only denomination strung up on legalism (ie. holding tradition as high or higher than God's Word) but it is the most prevalent. I don't know how these pastors can be so superstitious and see absolutely nothing wrong with it. It infuriates me! :mad:



I hope incidents like this will show the world how stupid man can be, and maybe just maybe that will get some people to look beyond our limitations to a greater being than our own.

MANDRAG GANON
08-20-2004, 05:04 PM
Damn freakin' right biez. God is hilarious. LoL I think God just Pwned that girl.
Geez people can be such asses sometimes...Gods as well.
freakin' religion.

Riku
08-20-2004, 05:58 PM
Thats just stupid. I wonder if they actually believe that God wouldnt take them because they cant eat wheat. God gave them that disease where they cant eat wheat. They should be slapped in the face with a salmon.

AsMadAsAHatter
08-21-2004, 02:29 AM
Thats just stupid. I wonder if they actually believe that God wouldnt take them because they cant eat wheat. God gave them that disease where they cant eat wheat. They should be slapped in the face with a salmon.

I don't nessacarily think that god gives people diseases. I just think it's a part of life. Some of the best people in this world die of diseases, and i don't think god would deliberately give someone a disease. I just don't think that's how it works. I also believe that you're put on this Earth for a reason, and once you've accomplished what you were made to do, and it's your time, then that's when you die. Besides, some people get cured from their disease. I think that has to be some form of a miracle. :)

cap2030
08-21-2004, 02:38 AM
It says she either has to eat the wafer or drink the wine.
Why doesnt she just drink the wine?

ZTC
08-21-2004, 02:51 AM
The problem is that the Catholic Church is so strung up on tradition that they forget what's important about the act. Communion is about the faith behind it, about remembering the sacrifice Christ made. It doesn't matter a flying flip about if there's wheat in the freaking wafers. Anybody who's stuck on that meaningless detail should be turned into a pillar of salt.
I wouldn't go that far, but it is still stupid.


It says she either has to eat the wafer or drink the wine.
Why doesnt she just drink the wine?
Dude, not funny. :mad:

Feasul
08-21-2004, 09:40 PM
I don't think it was meant to be funny. She needn't drink a large amount of wine, just a tiny bit. As far as I know, alcohol for religious purporses is not illegal.

Jigglysaint
08-21-2004, 10:50 PM
I would like to point out that some churches do move with the times, and have actually recieved revelation from God Himself concerning the emblems of the Sacrament.

"2 For, behold, I say unto you, that it mattereth not what ye shall eat or what ye shall drink when ye partake of the sacrament, if it so be that ye do it with an eye single to my glory—remembering unto the Father my body which was laid down for you, and my blood which was shed for the remission of your sins."

Now just aside, that is a quote from LDS only scripture. Nevertheless, it does make a point. It does not matter WHAT you use, just that as long as it's to the Lord, it should be okay. God will never deny a person salvation because of a medical condition. I strongly believe that God can, and does make exceptions forthose who are not able to physically comply with certain requirements. If the girl can't eat wafers made without gluten, and the girl is not intent upon leaving the church, I would argue that because of this, the girl is found to not NEED the sacrament(which would make sense because the power of communion is not IN the emblims, but in the symbols).

Besides, if all else fails, her faith will see her through. This is an example of how works cannot save. If you cannot do the work, God will still see the intent of your heart and judge it. If the Wicked Witch of the east wishes to be baptized, God would most likely try to find a way around that little problem.

ZTC
08-22-2004, 02:06 AM
I don't think it was meant to be funny. She needn't drink a large amount of wine, just a tiny bit. As far as I know, alcohol for religious purporses is not illegal.

Sorry, must have read that wrong. :shrug:


"2 For, behold, I say unto you, that it mattereth not what ye shall eat or what ye shall drink when ye partake of the sacrament, if it so be that ye do it with an eye single to my glory—remembering unto the Father my body which was laid down for you, and my blood which was shed for the remission of your sins."

Now just aside, that is a quote from LDS only scripture.

Couldn't have said it better. :)