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Monica
12-01-2003, 01:20 PM
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1096298,00.html



Bush plans new nuclear weapons

'Bunker-buster' bombs set to end 10-year research ban

Paul Harris in New York
Sunday November 30, 2003
The Observer

The United States is embarking on a multimillion-dollar expansion of its nuclear arsenal, prompting fears it may lead the world into a new arms race.
The Bush administration is pushing ahead with the development of a new generation of weapons, dubbed 'mini-nukes', that use nuclear warheads to penetrate underground bunkers.

Last week, it gave a quiet yet final go-ahead to a controversial research project into the bunker-buster. The move effectively ends a 10-year ban on research into 'low-yield' nuclear weapons. Critics fear it may lead other countries to push ahead with developing such weapons. It also comes at a highly sensitive time diplomatically, with the US lobbying countries such as Iran and North Korea to abandon their nuclear plans.

'The United States is spurring a new global arms race with our own development of a new generation of nuclear weapons,' said Democrat Ellen Tauscher, who led an unsuccessful bid in Congress to have the programme scrapped.

The new warheads are designed to use shockwaves to destroy deep bunkers even if the bomb does not reach them. Experience in Afghanistan and Iraq has shown army planners that bunkers are being built deeper and more securely. 'We have to be able to match our capability to our potential targets,' one White House official said.

But critics say the weapons won't work and doubt claims that the radiation will remain underground.

The US Army plans to convert two existing nuclear bombs - the B61 and B83. The B61 can be dropped by B-52 bombers or F-16 jets. The larger B83 has explosive yields of one to two megatons. Research will focus on hardening the bomb casings so they can penetrate layers of steel, rock and concrete.

Anti-nuclear campaigners say the B83's large size makes its classification as a 'mini-nuke' debatable. 'The powers that be describe them as low-yield weapons. But that is far from the case,' said Jay Coghlan, director of Nukewatch.

Critics also question the wisdom of developing such weapons and say America's willingness to deploy them will blur the distinction between nuclear war and conventional conflict. Bob Schaeffer, of the Anti-Nuclear Alliance, said: 'It is dangerous and provocative. It is like a drunk preaching temperance to everyone else at the bar, while ordering another round.'

Leading Democrats contend that the development of the bunker-buster is part of a broader re-evaluation of America's nuclear arsenal by George Bush's administration. They point to signs that nuclear weapons are being given a prominent role in the post-Cold War world, at a time when many others see them as obsolete. 'This White House has a dramatically different view of nuclear weapons compared with previous administrations,' said Tauscher.

'The administration's actions are having the opposite effect by erasing the taboo on the use of nuclear weapons. Russia has already indicated that it will develop new "tactical" weapons in response and no one doubts our enemies will follow suit.'

Since Bush announced a 'nuclear posture review' after coming to office, the administration has taken several steps to develop and modernise its nuclear arsenal to deter a wide range of threats, including chemical and biological weapons and what the review called 'surprising military developments'.

Three Tennessee Valley power stations have been selected to resume production of tritium, a substance used to increase the yield from a nuclear blast. Tritium has not been actively produced in the US for years and this is the first time civilian power plants have been scheduled for military use.

In April, the Los Alamos military laboratory in New Mexico produced the first 'plutonium pit' in America for more than a decade. Plutonium pits are triggers vital to the production of nuclear weapons and officials are pushing to get funding to build an entire new facility.

Concern also surrounds plans to cut the time needed to bring American underground nuclear testing sites back into working condition. Currently the time needed would be 24 months, but the administration has pushed for funds to reduce that to 18 months. While officials insist the US has no plans to resume nuclear testing - which would breach an international ban - critics say the enhanced preparations for a resumption are worrying.

'Why are they even talking about this now, unless something is planned? It makes no sense to us. America has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world, but it did not stop 9/11,' said Schaeffer.

Is this a good thing for Bush to do? I'm not sure...:(

Rainman
12-01-2003, 01:39 PM
I'm not usually against the military, but this is retarded. We already have enough nukes to decimate any country today. We even have more nuclear weapons than any other. Why expand if we've already won the race?

Ich
12-01-2003, 01:56 PM
Why, why is he doing this? I can understand how it's useful in being able to use low yield nuclear weapons to destroy bunkers, but it's not a good time to develop this technology, because of politics.

Why must we meddle in foreign affairs anyway? We could just halt all immigration, and say, "Well, I guess that Israel and Palestine are the ones killling each other, so it's their responsibility to come up with a solution." That would be so easy, and we wouldn't have any of the troubles we've been having. I'm just an isolationist wannabe, I guess.

Kirby of Doom
12-01-2003, 02:51 PM
Well, I was thinking this would look really bad, but then I remember I'm all for war no matter what other countries think. It all comes down to if it's really necessary.

Axel
12-01-2003, 04:16 PM
Oh wow, this confirms everything I've been saying from the start.
On the bright side Mr. Bush has just precluded any chance of reelection.

Master Ghaleon
12-01-2003, 09:50 PM
We need all the power we can get cause those other countries arent gonna stop making and hiding thier arsenal of nukes and chemical weapons. We should just go ahead and call all americans into the US within a certain amount of time and just unload the motherload of bombs to the other countries. Make a huge parking lot over there

Radium
12-02-2003, 12:12 AM
Nukes are old-school, they need to start makin teh lazer guns.

Slider Zero
12-02-2003, 01:03 PM
Bush....you....effing....EEDDDDIOOOOOTTTT!!!

DO YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU HAVE JUST DONE?

Congratulations....you've suceeded in re-opening pandora's box. And now the world as a whole will have to suffer the consequences. Damn it.....

Ich
12-02-2003, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by Master Ghaleon
We need all the power we can get cause those other countries arent gonna stop making and hiding thier arsenal of nukes and chemical weapons. We should just go ahead and call all americans into the US within a certain amount of time and just unload the motherload of bombs to the other countries. Make a huge parking lot over there

...And that is why all foreigners hate Americans.

Zilla
12-02-2003, 03:45 PM
Bush, Bush, Bush. :angry:

Congratulations.

You'll go down in history as a complete idiot. Period. :mad:

Slider Zero
12-03-2003, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by Zilla
Bush, Bush, Bush. :angry:

Congratulations.

You'll go down in history as a complete idiot. Period. :mad:


'Nuff said. 'Nuff said, indeed.

TheGeepster
12-05-2003, 02:37 PM
I'll be the unpopular one here I guess, but here goes.

I can understand why people firmly oppose this research on its own basis, and not political hatred of Bush. However, I'm not so sure it's as bad as it sounds.

Anyone know what the nuclear yield of these things are compared to the yield of the kinds of nuclear weapons?

A couple of minor points. I'm surprised Ich would make a universal statement of ...And that is why all foreigners hate Americans.

I got a chance to work with a lot of Brazilians, and I sensed very little hatred of myself and those with me. Perhaps many countries don't like the policies of the United States, but that is another matter entirely.

Also, I wouldn't get my hopes up too much Axel. I doubt there's any single Democrat capable of matching Bush one-on-one in an election. The stands they've taken are crumbling, and they're having to switch issues. Democrats are also perceived by a great many as being partisan, a fact shown out by their unwillingness to admit any good Bush has done (including an economy which is showing every sign of having recovered, despite the best efforts to talk it down.)

Also, the candidate who wins the primaries will likely have to move back to the center after getting their liberal base charged up in order to stand a good chance of getting votes from non-base. If Ralph Nader runs, he may draw those in who would be upset by a shift back right of their Democrat candidate, weakening the Democrat.

I will, lastly, admit that I'm also not sure this new bunker-buster is a good idea, even if I think people may be making to much of it.

Axel
12-05-2003, 04:27 PM
I have to keep my hopes up. This country won't survive another four years with that moron in office. Anyway, I thought Clark looked likely.

Of course I realize Republicans habitually ignore the international atmosphere and the effects America's actions have on other nations and how those effects will come back to us. However I imlore you to realize what other people will think of this. We already have the world's single largest nuclear arsenal and have currently invaded a small insignificant country on the suspition they were housing WMD's, despite the fact that we failed to find any. Combine that with the reconstruction policy for Iraq and the Bush administration appears not only hypocritical, but imperialistic. By unspoken agreement no nation has expanded its nuclear arsenal since the end of the Cold War, and not too long ago the US and Europe were disarming and were cracking down on those nations that were developing nuclear capabilities. Now the US is expanding the arsenal that only a few years ago it was shrinking? That won't look too good.

AlphaDawg
12-06-2003, 05:40 PM
We already have the world's single largest nuclear arsenal and have currently invaded a small insignificant country on the suspition they were housing WMD's, despite the fact that we failed to find any.Yep, because we all know George W. Bush was the first person to ever suspect there were WMD's in Iraq, right? Haven't we gone through this ten times before?

And yeah, if I'm president of a country, any country, you're damn right the interests of my country will come first. Screw globalization, screw appeasement, screw the UN, and most of all screw France!

TheGeepster
12-06-2003, 06:31 PM
A country giving up its sovereignty to the UN and international opinion could be just as detrimental to that nation as isolationism.. Bush has made it a point to talk with and try to work with the international community. But Bush has acted out of what he thought was best for this country.

Remember the Kyoto Treaty that Bush was blasted for not signing? Guess what? Russia's not gonna sign it either, which pretty much kills it. And this time we weren't acting alone.

We also have something like 30 other nations that are helping with efforts to restore sovereignty to Iraq as a newly free nation. Still think we're acting alone?

I'm not sure where you're getting this idea from that our country is worse off now than it was in 2000.

(By the3 way, if it's military incursions into countries for little or no reason you're complaining of, we're still in Bosnia, btw... If it's failed or damaging military exploits, check out the Mogadishu chapter of the previous presidency as shown in Black Hawk Down...)

bigjoe
12-06-2003, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by AlphaDawg
Yep, because we all know George W. Bush was the first person to ever suspect there were WMD's in Iraq, right?

No but George W. Bush was the first to act on the suspicion despite growing proof that no WMDs existed.

AlphaDawg
12-06-2003, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by Meatwad
No but George W. Bush was the first to act on the suspicion despite growing proof that no WMDs existed. Uh, I don't seem to recall hearing or reading anything about WMD's not existing at all, only that they haven't been found yet. (And I suppose that little mustard gas incident from about 15 years ago never happened either, it was a conspiracy propagated by the right-wing military-industrial complex, right?)

As this column (http://www.townhall.com/columnists/markalexander/ma20031205.shtml) points out, absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence.

Axel
12-08-2003, 04:05 PM
Unlike you Geepster, I don't support something when my favored party does it and decry it when the other does. I hate it whenever it's done, or support it whenever it's done. If Bush would do something I could find favorable I would support it. I assure you I was outraged when Clinton took action against Iraq.