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carrot red
06-07-2003, 03:47 PM
Muslim Woman Must Drop Veil for License

Fri Jun 6, 3:05 PM ET

Miami (Reuters) - A Muslim woman who cited religious reasons in refusing to remove her veil for a driver's license photo must show her face for the camera if she wants her license reinstated, a Florida judge ruled Friday.

In a case that pitted claims of religious freedom against security concerns, Circuit Judge Janet Thorpe ruled that Florida has a compelling interest in identifying drivers during traffic stops and that photo images are essential to promote that interest.

"The requirement that all potential drivers have their driver's license photos taken unveiled, uncloaked and unmasked does not unconstitutionally burden the free exercise of religion," the judge wrote.

The plaintiff, Sultaana Freeman, obtained a Florida driver's license that showed her wearing a black veil with only her eyes uncovered in February 2001.

Seven months later, the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles notified her that her license would be revoked unless she was photographed with her face showing.

Freeman refused, saying her faith did not permit her to reveal her face to strangers or men outside her family. The 35-year-old U.S. citizen has worn a full veil since converting to Islam about six years ago.

The American Civil Liberties Union sued on her behalf, arguing that revoking the license violated her right to religious freedom. They said the state acted out of prejudice against Muslims and only objected to the veiled photograph after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Attorneys for the state said Florida has a legitimate public safety interest in establishing drivers' identities. They said the original license was issued in error and that if Freeman were allowed to hide her face in her license photo, terrorists could do the same. They also said she could be photographed privately by a female licensing official.

Islamic scholars differ widely on the religious requirement of veiling for women, as well as the extent of what the faithful call "modest dress." As a result, practice among Muslims varies widely.


I would just like to know how she got away with it the first time

Ganonator
06-07-2003, 04:28 PM
My question is what did she expect? Compared she was not muslim born, she just has mental issues. Take the veil off, or get off the roads. I believe in religious freedom more than a lot of people, and this clearly has nothing to do with it.

Besides - lets look at some other things you can't do with religious freedom, mmkay?

Utah - Polygamy is outlawed. Mormons aren't bitching about that anymore (no offense to Jiggly, or any other heart-warming Mormons out there). Alaska - Natives are not allowed to toke from the peace pipe to see visions anymore. Bummer dudes. No more pot for the people.

This is simply BS. There shouldn't have even been a trial.

SquishyMon
06-07-2003, 04:37 PM
This reminds me of that "Muslim Girls Gone Wild" bit on the Tonight Show. If some religion required people to always wear gloves and they tried to use that as an excuse not to get fingerprinted, I don't think they would get away with it.

TheGeepster
06-07-2003, 05:13 PM
I've heard several points which show how riduculous this whole scenario is.

*) Don't practicing Muslim women stay with their man in public? And if that is the case, why would she even need a driver's license since he presumably has one?

*) The veil is only a custom, and not a belief in and of itself. The idea is for women to avoid tempting other men. However, a driver's license presents no such issue, and in fact, where women can drive, they are often photographed sans veil..

*) As a natural born American citizen, she ought to know exactly what the license is for, and that not removing the veil creates a loophole for those with evil motives might be able to use.

*) Again, she is not forced to have a driver's license, and since that's true, she still has the choice to practice not showing her face.. but she'll have to give up having a driver's license for her religion! Oh well..