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Elemental Knight
05-11-2002, 02:30 PM
"National ID", "Smart Cards", and such have been advocated for a long time, and their advocation has picked up steam in the past months. Essentially, this would create a plastic card (similar to your driver's liscense) with a computer chip (theoretically encrypted, and thus "hard-to-forge") that would identify you with a simple swipe. However, such a database would be incredibly expensive, and shops and industry would have to change their purchase policies. It would bring greater security, but it could also bring easier tracking of one's movements - Essentially, you'll get an anti-HDcopying device along with some DoubleClick cookies, in your wallet next to ol' Abe and George. Please, learn about this subject, discuss it here, vote in the poll, and in general learn before you decide. It's got pros and cons, and while I think the cons outweigh the pros, that's just me.

Some Info URLs:

0 (http://www.epic.org/privacy/id_cards/) 1 (http://www.privacyinternational.org/issues/idcard/) 2 (http://www.cato.org/tech/tk/010928-tk.html) 3 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A52300-2001Dec16&notFound=true) 4 (http://www.aclu.org/library/aaidcard.html) 5 (http://www.aclu.org/issues/privacy/National_ID_Feature.html) 6 (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,191857,00.html) 7 (http://www.petitiononline.com/NO_ID/petition.html) 8 (http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0114/p11s1-coop.html) 9 (http://www.networkusa.org/fingerprint.shtml)
10 (http://www.templetons.com/brad/oracard.html) 11 (http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47788,00.html) 12 (http://www.newsbytes.com/news/02/175603.html) 13 (http://news.mpr.org/features/199911/15_newsroom_privacy/natlid.html) 14 (http://www.backwoodshome.com/columns/wolfe0111.html)

NOTICE: This thread has many purposes. One is the poll - A simple Yes, No, or Maybe. The links are simply numbered, and any information on this subject will be put into this post as a numbered link whenever I get around to it. THis thread is also for discussion, ideas, possibilities, etc. - In essense, INTELLIGENT discussion. If you just wanna say "No, it'll suck, it'll be like '1984'!" then vote in the poll and don't post that. Post if you have something relevant, like a link or a theory or whatever.

Thank you.

Beldaran
05-11-2002, 02:40 PM
It's kind of a moot point for me. I won't get one anyway, so it doesn't matter. Even if I have to go live in the mountains or something. I'm not joining a little computer network like that. I realize that I'm already part of one, but that wasn't my choice and now that I'm older I don't have to submit to any more eyeballs down my shorts.

DarkDragon
05-11-2002, 02:42 PM
No, it'll suck, it'll be like '1984'! ;)

National ID cards are a stupid idea because they won't do shit against determined terrorist efforts, such as the Sept. 11 attack. Sure, it's easier for airline employees to verify identification if you have to swipe a card instead of showing more forgable identification such as a driver's license or birth certificate. But how are you gonna be issued ID cards in the first place, and how do you get a remplacement if you lose yours? By submitting a driver's license or a birth certificate. Go figure.

MetaStaiford
05-11-2002, 05:05 PM
sorry, but no, if i had the choice to get a government ID smart-card, i'd refuse.

if someone insisted i get a government ID smart-card, i'd punch him or her, or take it..... and snap it in half (it isnt hard, i almost did that accidentally to my HS ID once)

if they were required by law.... i got 1 word for you; columbine! i WOULD go all out and have an impact against the species i hate the most; humans

simply put, the drivers liscence is ENOUGH. fake IDs are already a pain to get, if they make my simple career-related tasks any harder, i'm gonna fight back

(aka. being 'watched' would drive me nuts, and would cost lives. hell, if it were bad enough, i'd lose ALL conscience and follow in the path of the taliban, and even *I* dont want that)

Breaker
05-12-2002, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by MetaStaiford
sorry, but no, if i had the choice to get a government ID smart-card, i'd refuse.

if someone insisted i get a government ID smart-card, i'd punch him or her, or take it..... and snap it in half (it isnt hard, i almost did that accidentally to my HS ID once)

if they were required by law.... i got 1 word for you; columbine! i WOULD go all out and have an impact against the species i hate the most; humans

simply put, the drivers liscence is ENOUGH. fake IDs are already a pain to get, if they make my simple career-related tasks any harder, i'm gonna fight back

(aka. being 'watched' would drive me nuts, and would cost lives. hell, if it were bad enough, i'd lose ALL conscience and follow in the path of the taliban, and even *I* dont want that)

And you have the nerve to call the staff of this forum communists...

The Silent Assassin
05-12-2002, 12:23 AM
Good thing I don't live near you Meta.

Menokh
05-12-2002, 12:24 AM
meta, you scare me sometimes.
I know your intentions are ultimately good, but the end doesn't always justify the means.

Rijuhn
05-12-2002, 12:33 PM
I'm pretty sure that Meta is just running his mouth, like we all tend to do sometimes, but if you are serious I WILL have to stop you.

Jemsee
05-12-2002, 01:39 PM
It's not a bad idea.
But with all things it could be abused, but if used correctly it could make things more secure.
Hey meta, do you have a SSN?
If you do then you are already being watched.

J.J. Maxx
05-12-2002, 02:21 PM
I wouldn't mind an implant in my hand that was connected to my bank account. Then I could swipe my hand and pay for stuff. That would be cool. Alos I thin an ID card would be kinda sweet as long as they couldn't track ya with sattelites or anything. :thumbsup: