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    Re: NeoFirst Story and Plot Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowTiger View Post
    So their end goal is the equivalent of the L3 Entrance room, but in the Shadow Temple?
    I suppose so. Unless the Shadow Temple has its exit in a different location.

    Also, I updated the first post with a very cool idea with which to bring NeoFirst's backstories and the current story together at the end.

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    Re: NeoFirst Story and Plot Tracker

    How about 2 endings: One where Link kills Zelda, and the other where he saves her from the darkness? The idea that had been thrown around for the Zelda battle was that you had to use the magic from light arrows to dispel the darkness surrounding Zelda. But, firing an arrow at her directly would hurt her. So, you had to shoot at one of the mirrors on the edges of the room, causing the arrow to fall away, and reflecting the light back at Zelda.

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    Re: NeoFirst Story and Plot Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Nation View Post
    How about 2 endings: One where Link kills Zelda, and the other where he saves her from the darkness? The idea that had been thrown around for the Zelda battle was that you had to use the magic from light arrows to dispel the darkness surrounding Zelda. But, firing an arrow at her directly would hurt her. So, you had to shoot at one of the mirrors on the edges of the room, causing the arrow to fall away, and reflecting the light back at Zelda.
    O_O ... Perhaps that's how you can have the good / bad ending with the final boss! Maybe you need Zelda's help to defeat the final boss, and without it, you're basically SoL!

    IMHO, the last save point should be right before the Zelda Battle for this very reason, so you can see both endings without having to rip out your hair first at having saved after the decisive battle. :p

    Quote Originally Posted by _L_ Update
    UPDATE: After Link defeats Lord Menace's first attack form, he is visited by a ghost. The ghost is none other than that of King Dim, mad sad lover of Sarai, and Zelda's father! While begging his daughter's forgiveness for ruining the kingdom, he presents Link with two items: the Golden Sword (L4) and the Golden Ring. These items contain an essence of the Golden Triforce, and thus can penetrate Lord Menace's defenses.
    ... Okay, that is just damn cool. Yeah, let's do that. ^^;'
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    Re: NeoFirst Story and Plot Tracker

    Also!

    * It is revealed that all three of the Golden items contain an essence of each Triforce - the Golden Sword holds Power, the Golden Ring holds Wisdom, and the Golden Arrows hold Courage. The first two were created by Dim using the Triforce of Power and to-be-Queen Zelda's Triforce of Wisdom, and the origins of the last are obscured in time (as has the history of the Triforce of Courage.)
    * Lord Menace, an entity of pure Chaos, can only be harmed by the divine Order of the essence of the gods - thus, his first attack form will require extensive use of Golden Arrows.
    * Zelda despairs and surrenders to Menace because she knows that it's impossible for them to remove Menace's corruption from the Triforce. King Dim's gifts change all of that - when Link has delivered the final blow to Menace's last form, he brings together all three of the untainted Golden items to unseal the complete Triforce, and annihilates Menace with its brilliance.

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    Re: NeoFirst Story and Plot Tracker

    And can we come up with a better name for the final boss? Lord Menace sounds... lame, somehow. Phantom Menace sounds cool (mainly because PM *is* cool). but Lord Menace does not.

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    Re: NeoFirst Story and Plot Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by _L_ View Post
    * It is revealed that all three of the Golden items contain an essence of each Triforce - the Golden Sword holds Power, the Golden Ring holds Wisdom, and the Golden Arrows hold Courage. The first two were created by Dim using the Triforce of Power and to-be-Queen Zelda's Triforce of Wisdom, and the origins of the last are obscured in time (as has the history of the Triforce of Courage.)
    Totally agreed; ... just wondering (Out of generic curiosity.) why each um ... ... tri-part moral has been assigned to that particular item.

    * Lord Menace, an entity of pure Chaos, can only be harmed by the divine Order of the essence of the gods - thus, his first attack form will require extensive use of Golden Arrows.
    Suggest a source of arrows AND magic to renew yourself if you need it.

    * Zelda despairs and surrenders to Menace because she knows that it's impossible for them to remove Menace's corruption from the Triforce. King Dim's gifts change all of that - when Link has delivered the final blow to Menace's last form, he brings together all three of the untainted Golden items to unseal the complete Triforce, and annihilates Menace with its brilliance.
    Does she need to despair? Has any previous Zelda ever despaired? Maybe she's just overpowered? Her magic isn't THAT good. o.o'
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    Re: NeoFirst Story and Plot Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by _L_ View Post
    • Age of Dim (20 years before NeoFirst)
    • King Dim, having slowly grown mad with heartbreak from Sarai's death at his hand, uses the Triforce of Power to raise an army to invade neighbouring kingdoms, including Calatia.
    • Someone (let's call him Miro), an orphan of Calatia, vows to assassinate Dim.
    • Miro sneaks into Hyrule and into Hyrule Castle and works with the morose Queen Zelda to slay Dim.
    • Zelda, sensing disaster approaching, gives Miro her baby to take into hiding. Before leaving, Zelda bequeaths the baby with the Triforce of Wisdom. This baby will grow up to become NeoFirst's Zelda.
    • King Dim, in the depths of pain, summons Sarai from death using Queen Zelda as a sacrifice.
    • Miro slays King Dim and Sarai, and claims the Triforce of Power.
    • With the King slain and the Triforce of Power missing, Hyrule is thrown into chaos. Hyrule Castle is stormed by looters and/or monsters.
    • Miro returns home, but not before hiding the Triforce of Power somewhere.
    why would zelda trust miro? why does she give it to miro? miro kills zelda? thus is zelda deranged? unless miro is pretending to be a good guy but that is not the impression i got.
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    Re: NeoFirst Story and Plot Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by franpa View Post
    [/LIST]why would zelda trust miro? why does she give it to miro? miro kills zelda? thus is zelda deranged? unless miro is pretending to be a good guy but that is not the impression i got.
    Queen Zelda is disquieted by Dim's war-making and general decomposition of character, and the Triforce of Wisdom gives her a faint prescience of her ritual sacrifice at the hands of Dim. When Miro sneaks into the castle, he and Zelda make plans to assassinate Dim, but she entrusts her two most valuable possessions to Miro for hiding just in case Dim manages to kill her first. (Which he does.)

    Feel free to work out the deeper details yourself if you ever want to build a quest telling this story.
    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowTiger View Post
    ... just wondering (Out of generic curiosity.) why each um ... ... tri-part moral has been assigned to that particular item.
    Well, the Ring has to be Wisdom (Nayru, Nayru's Love etc.) and the Sword is Power because it seems to me to be a more overt symbol of power than the more subtle Arrows.
    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowTiger
    Suggest a source of arrows AND magic to renew yourself if you need it.
    Off the top of my head, let's say that he has an attack that involves summoning tribble enemies.
    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowTiger
    Does she need to despair? Has any previous Zelda ever despaired? Maybe she's just overpowered? Her magic isn't THAT good. o.o'
    Hey, I'm willing to shift the balance away from Surrender and toward Control if you like. Despair to me just seems more, um, operatic. Maybe even Wagner-esque.

    Also: she's a different Zelda! A Zelda that calls the shots, a Zelda that follows you into the jaws of death rather than waving you off from some Sanctuary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Nation
    And can we come up with a better name for the final boss? Lord Menace sounds... lame, somehow. Phantom Menace sounds cool (mainly because PM *is* cool). but Lord Menace does not.
    Well, "Lord Menace" is a merging of the names of the two "makers" of the original First Quest (the other being War Lord). I think it's somewhat appropriate. ("War Phantom" is too much of a noun, and "Shadow Lord" is hardly a name at all. So there.)
    Then again, the fact that I've been reading a lot of Stephen Donaldson's The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant may explain the choice of villain name better. (Actually, it probably explains a lot of things about my plotline.)

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    Re: NeoFirst Story and Plot Tracker

    This will have little or no impact on the current story (more so an explenetion for the way the royal family works) A curse was plased upon the Royal family which prevented the King and Queen from giving bith to a son. Thus every King of Hyrule has been married into the bloodline. But this could make for some intresting sequals down the road.
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    Re: NeoFirst Story and Plot Tracker

    Quote Originally Posted by redmage777 View Post
    This will have little or no impact on the current story (more so an explenetion for the way the royal family works) A curse was plased upon the Royal family which prevented the King and Queen from giving bith to a son. Thus every King of Hyrule has been married into the bloodline. But this could make for some intresting sequals down the road.
    That's a nice detail that I must remember to insert into an NPC's dialogue box somewhere down the line.
    Also,
    Quote Originally Posted by Zelda II Instruction Booklet
    So that this tragedy would never be forgotten, he ordered every female child born into the royal household should be given the name Zelda.

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